Shadow recovery... ISO100 pushed to 6400

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geoffcbassett Forum Member • Posts: 71
Shadow recovery... ISO100 pushed to 6400
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Crap I messed up the shot...or not.

HOLY CRAP. Also loving the 50-150mm

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tonyreidsma Contributing Member • Posts: 976
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That is impressive!

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Krazyheaven Regular Member • Posts: 409
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So wait we can push iso after the shot?

OP geoffcbassett Forum Member • Posts: 71
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Pretty much yes, I did a properly exposed shot immediately after at 6400 and the detail is almost the same, very slight edge to shooting 6400 native.

captnj2 Forum Member • Posts: 86
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IS that from a RAW file? or a Jpeg?

OP geoffcbassett Forum Member • Posts: 71
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RAW, pushed in Adobe Lightroom

ChuckTa Senior Member • Posts: 1,343
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captnj2 wrote:

IS that from a RAW file? or a Jpeg?

Only possible with raw.

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Jeff Style Regular Member • Posts: 468
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WOW!!!

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kryten61 Regular Member • Posts: 289
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captnj2 wrote:

IS that from a RAW file? or a Jpeg?

Impossible from Jpeg,  The error is then baked in!  Like burning a cake and trying to unburn it!

One day people will understand the evil that is Jpeg versus keeping you negs. (Raw)

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Krazyheaven Regular Member • Posts: 409
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Oh I shoot raw + jpeg. I'm still learning how to do my post edits.

markyboy81 Senior Member • Posts: 1,429
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Very impressive but realistically you would know when shooting that it would be that badly underexposed, unless using framing mode.

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kryten61 Regular Member • Posts: 289
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Krazyheaven wrote:

Oh I shoot raw + jpeg. I'm still learning how to do my post edits.

Good option, but for me it's only raw, On some cameras Raw Jpeg can cause slow downs and overhead in speed, I would never look at the Jpegs and only create them if I am sharing.

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markyboy81 Senior Member • Posts: 1,429
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I've contemplated dabbling with raw but personally I can't be bothered messing about in post processing. I'd rather just try to get the shot right first time - by having this philosophy I think that my technique is improving because I'm not allowing myself to make errors.
I can understand how raw is useful for some, but actually the quality of the output is no different if you get it right first time.

Adding to this, some shots that I haven't got right I've still been able to improve in post processing. Maybe the result would have been better if I'd shot in raw but I'm still happy with it.

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AxelHawk Regular Member • Posts: 211
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markyboy81 wrote:

I've contemplated dabbling with raw but personally I can't be bothered messing about in post processing. I'd rather just try to get the shot right first time - by having this philosophy I think that my technique is improving because I'm not allowing myself to make errors.
I can understand how raw is useful for some, but actually the quality of the output is no different if you get it right first time.

Adding to this, some shots that I haven't got right I've still been able to improve in post processing. Maybe the result would have been better if I'd shot in raw but I'm still happy with it.

To me, there are 2 main reasons of why I stick to raw, even trying to get the right photo first:

1. Samsung noise reduction smears out high ISO images. Lightroom is better and give me the option of how much NR I want (even the lower adjustment in camera is too much to me)

2. The amount of dynamic range you have in raw is impressive, even on an older sensor like my NX300. Even in a nice exposed photo, you have shadow details that can be lost in jpg and recovered in raw.

And, if I screw something, sometimes the image can be saved too

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OP geoffcbassett Forum Member • Posts: 71
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This was during a video/photo shoot,  as I brought the camera to my eye I accidentally turned off auto ISO.

Accidents like that happen, and its great to know I'll be able to recover a missed shot with this camera.

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Few more from the day, all but the first taken with the NX1 and 50-150.

http://geoffcbassett.zenfolio.com/dianalawrenceattheloft

kryten61 Regular Member • Posts: 289
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markyboy81 wrote:

I can understand how raw is useful for some, but actually the quality of the output is no different if you get it right first time.

Sorry but this is not correct. Factually someone who knows good Raw workflow can FAR improve an image with access to all the RAW data that is generated from the sensor.

All camera's make decisions for you in creating Jpegs that are destructive and throw away detail.

Watch Guy Gowan, He teaches photographers how to work with Raw workflow correctly.

https://youtu.be/i3-tXPi6d6Q

Can't do this with Jpeg cause the information is not there.

Shooting raw and manipulating an image to a final good result is FASTER and easier than trying to attempt to do any manipulation with a Jpeg image.

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markyboy81 Senior Member • Posts: 1,429
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markyboy81 wrote:

I can understand how raw is useful for some, but actually the quality of the output is no different if you get it right first time.

Sorry but this is not correct. Factually someone who knows good Raw workflow can FAR improve an image with access to all the RAW data that is generated from the sensor.

All camera's make decisions for you in creating Jpegs that are destructive and throw away detail.

Watch Guy Gowan, He teaches photographers how to work with Raw workflow correctly.

https://youtu.be/i3-tXPi6d6Q

Can't do this with Jpeg cause the information is not there.

Shooting raw and manipulating an image to a final good result is FASTER and easier than trying to attempt to do any manipulation with a Jpeg image.

Fair enough, I probably need to do a bit more research into it.
But at the moment I'm quite happy with the results I'm getting. I don't think as an amateur I can improve the way the jpeg engine inside the camera manipulates the image. Someone with more skill could certainly do this though.

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andre95 Forum Member • Posts: 54
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markyboy81 wrote:

But at the moment I'm quite happy with the results I'm getting. I don't think as an amateur I can improve the way the jpeg engine inside the camera manipulates the image. Someone with more skill could certainly do this though.

Sorry, it is really getting a bit off-topic here, but I can tell you that you don't have to be a pro for this. I recently changed from JPEG only to RAW+JPEG. Yes, developing an image from RAW is time consuming, but also can be rewarding. A lot of shots which I would have thrown away before now actually make a nice picture. Simply being able to change the White Balance later on turned out to be marvellous more than once.

But I have to say, I develop my images from RAW *to my liking* and not necessarily to how the scene really looked like. Because for me pictures are more like "art pictures" which I enjoy to look at, not documentary proof of the reality.

And I have to say, because I often shoot either my children, or with my children, I'm often very limited in being able to fine-tune the shot. Either I don't have the time, or I just can't easily change the position, etc. So I have a lot of shots which are technically not perfect, because the situation just didn't allow for it.

Andre

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Sports Dad Regular Member • Posts: 320
Great example of what can be done

There are times when shadows are very dark and this shows what we can pull from them to improve pictures.   I like to slightly under expose images and fix them in post later too.

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