Sony Needs to Make it Quicker to Change Focus Areas

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aerts1js Regular Member • Posts: 147
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This was sorta brought up in another thread but is there a way to make it quicker to choose focus areas when shooting manually? Since the A7RII image is so large it takes forever to scroll the focus box to where I need it.

There needs to be a way to preset some focus locations.

Sony, if you're reading this it needs to be resolved in a firmware update.

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Trollmannx Senior Member • Posts: 3,245
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aerts1js wrote:

This was sorta brought up in another thread but is there a way to make it quicker to choose focus areas when shooting manually? Since the A7RII image is so large it takes forever to scroll the focus box to where I need it.

There needs to be a way to preset some focus locations.

Sony, if you're reading this it needs to be resolved in a firmware update.

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And thereby adding more complexity to the user interface with no benefits...

Guess your preset focus points will never be where you need them! So It will most likely be push, push, push, push, push, push ... nope...

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Trollmannx wrote:

aerts1js wrote:

This was sorta brought up in another thread but is there a way to make it quicker to choose focus areas when shooting manually? Since the A7RII image is so large it takes forever to scroll the focus box to where I need it.

There needs to be a way to preset some focus locations.

Sony, if you're reading this it needs to be resolved in a firmware update.

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And thereby adding more complexity to the user interface with no benefits...

Guess your preset focus points will never be where you need them! So It will most likely be push, push, push, push, push, push ... nope...

I don't think it would make the user interface more complex as it would be optional and up to the user.

An easy solution would be just to place them at the intersections of the rule of third boxes as a starting point.

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Promit Senior Member • Posts: 2,007
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Dear god yes. Focus point selection is so much cleaner on my A77 II.

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Promit wrote:

Dear god yes. Focus point selection is so much cleaner on my A77 II.

You should see it on my NEX 5N . . . I touch and there is the focus point. 

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salesgenie Junior Member • Posts: 30
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That was me who started the other thread.

Ideally, a small optical trackpad (like on a Blackberry) that could be worked with the left hand would be great - next to the microphone or under the lens.  Touchscreens do not allow you to use the viewfinder while focusing and this approach would allow it.

Slide your finger across the trackpad to set focus area and tap to lock focus.  Think a modern version of the Canon joystick.

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You should become a Sony engineer ! That sounds like a great idea !!!

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Sony still has something to leave for A9 series... dedicated joystick might reserved for that line for example... what A7 lines might get is probably AF using a finger and touch sensitive LCD like proper M43 cameras can do

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stevo23 Forum Pro • Posts: 13,535
Already faster than Nikon...

aerts1js wrote:

This was sorta brought up in another thread but is there a way to make it quicker to choose focus areas when shooting manually? Since the A7RII image is so large it takes forever to scroll the focus box to where I need it.

There needs to be a way to preset some focus locations.

Sony, if you're reading this it needs to be resolved in a firmware update.

You know you can do it considerably faster than a D600 or D800 - yes? Have you used the wheels yet? It takes one more press, but I can be there in a split second - press and spin and you're there. Or do you mean you want the ability to have a reduced set that you can just click to like when using TTL focusing on the Nikons?

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Promit Senior Member • Posts: 2,007
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sean lancaster wrote:

Promit wrote:

Dear god yes. Focus point selection is so much cleaner on my A77 II.

You should see it on my NEX 5N . . . I touch and there is the focus point.

I'm also in agreement with Gordon Laing and others that leaving touch off this thing was an unfortunate decision. I love what the A7R2 is doing for me, but for the price they're asking it feels just a bit shoddy for Sony to bring a 90% game.

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Trollmannx wrote:

aerts1js wrote:

This was sorta brought up in another thread but is there a way to make it quicker to choose focus areas when shooting manually? Since the A7RII image is so large it takes forever to scroll the focus box to where I need it.

There needs to be a way to preset some focus locations.

Sony, if you're reading this it needs to be resolved in a firmware update.

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And thereby adding more complexity to the user interface with no benefits...

Guess your preset focus points will never be where you need them! So It will most likely be push, push, push, push, push, push ... nope...

The easy solution that will be both faster and easier to use than current state of shlt is touch screen. Panasonic already did this and it works great.

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Dave Sanders Senior Member • Posts: 2,322
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aerts1js wrote:

This was sorta brought up in another thread but is there a way to make it quicker to choose focus areas when shooting manually? Since the A7RII image is so large it takes forever to scroll the focus box to where I need it.

There needs to be a way to preset some focus locations.

Sony, if you're reading this it needs to be resolved in a firmware update.

You know you can do it considerably faster than a D600 or D800 - yes? Have you used the wheels yet? It takes one more press, but I can be there in a split second - press and spin and you're there. Or do you mean you want the ability to have a reduced set that you can just click to like when using TTL focusing on the Nikons?

I can set the focus point on my 810 faster than my A7R. That said, how quickly I can do it on my A7R has never been a hindrance. I find that the A7R can be a heavily customized, enough so that I don't ever need to go into the menus. I use the back wheel, centre button press to activate, control pad to select. Very easy.
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Re: Already faster than Nikon...

stevo23 wrote:

aerts1js wrote:

This was sorta brought up in another thread but is there a way to make it quicker to choose focus areas when shooting manually? Since the A7RII image is so large it takes forever to scroll the focus box to where I need it.

There needs to be a way to preset some focus locations.

Sony, if you're reading this it needs to be resolved in a firmware update.

You know you can do it considerably faster than a D600 or D800 - yes? Have you used the wheels yet? It takes one more press, but I can be there in a split second - press and spin and you're there. Or do you mean you want the ability to have a reduced set that you can just click to like when using TTL focusing on the Nikons?

I was sorta thinking of a reduced set that I can just click through. I'll try out that wheel method when I get home from work though. I didn't realize that was an option. Although It's still not exactly a solution if i'm not able to move diagonally.

Right now I'm literally just tapping the box to where I want/need it to be... so time consuming. There's gotta be a better way.

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Dave Sanders Senior Member • Posts: 2,322
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The Panasonic touchscreen implementation allows for its use when it's at eye level. I really like this method. I'd like to see a touch screen from Sony but it's more of a 'nice to have'.
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Dave Sanders wrote:

aerts1js wrote:

This was sorta brought up in another thread but is there a way to make it quicker to choose focus areas when shooting manually? Since the A7RII image is so large it takes forever to scroll the focus box to where I need it.

There needs to be a way to preset some focus locations.

Sony, if you're reading this it needs to be resolved in a firmware update.

You know you can do it considerably faster than a D600 or D800 - yes? Have you used the wheels yet? It takes one more press, but I can be there in a split second - press and spin and you're there. Or do you mean you want the ability to have a reduced set that you can just click to like when using TTL focusing on the Nikons?

I can set the focus point on my 810 faster than my A7R. That said, how quickly I can do it on my A7R has never been a hindrance. I find that the A7R can be a heavily customized, enough so that I don't ever need to go into the menus. I use the back wheel, centre button press to activate, control pad to select. Very easy.

You can us one button to activate, and a wheel to move it. One spin and you're all the way across the screen if you want. It's much faster than it ever was with my D600.

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Having a touchscreen is the best solution, and if it's implemented the way Olympus does it, you can simply turn it off with a single tap on an icon on the screen if you want to deactivate it. You can also choose with that same icon whether you want to use the touchscreen only as AF selection, or also fire the shutter too.

Another feature that would help a lot, is the ability to link AF points to orientation. my 5DMKIII and E-M1 both allow this, so that when you turn the camera to portrait orientation, you get a different AF point position you have set up for it (I set it to about 1/3 up, so it's closest to a person's eyes in more situations).

Joystick or trackpad are going to be less intuitive/speedy compared to the touchscreen, but still better than not having them.

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Some combination of Focus Lock + Back-Button + AF-Continuous should help w/o touch

Emacs23 wrote:
The easy solution that will be both faster and easier to use ... touch screen.

Not easy because it isn't possible with the current a7x family that don't have touch screens.

This Sony newbie hopes to get competent with some mix of back-button-focus and AF-continuous and "Focus Lock" to rapidly select the preferred subject to focus on.

My speculation is that you can start with the subject in the center, Lock on that, and then compose to taste with the subject not in the center.

Done correctly, you wouldn't have the issue of "focus and recompose" that can be an issue close-up with wide open fast lenses (such as 85mm at f1.4).

Easier said than done ... I'm not close to mastering this, so "consider the source". For many of us "Canon defectors", it's that much more complicated because of the mix of native FE lenses and adapted Canon EF lenses.

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Doesn't work as fast for me. Center button is too far away from the wheels, takes too much time. Wheels only allow change in one direction. On the D810 and D750 I can even go in a diagonal way by pressing two arrows. It would even help to not have to make two button presses to change it. A joystick would be ideal. When using a camera for long stretches, it makes a difference for me.

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HFLM wrote:Doesn't work as fast for me.

Then you're not using it right. I can get anywhere I need on the screen while you're still using your pad on the D600 or D800 to get to the same place.

Center button is too far away from the wheels, takes too much time. Wheels only allow change in one direction.

They allow change in two directions each. And you can use a button that is very close to the wheels to activate. The ONLY inefficiency here is that you have to press once to activate while the D600 is always activated and you just start moving with the multi pad.

On the D810 and D750 I can even go in a diagonal way by pressing two arrows. It would even help to not have to make two button presses to change it. A joystick would be ideal. When using a camera for long stretches, it makes a difference for me.

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