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Some questions of my DIY project

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AlehCemy New Member • Posts: 1
Some questions of my DIY project
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Hey all,

I'm currently designing a DIY project involving a portable track for time lapse and dollies and a pan-tilt head. However, I live in a weather that can be a little tricky, because of humidity and heat. So I'm obviously worried about the materials I'm going to use. I know I'll probably use carbon fiber as the rail (I'll use a system of "snap" connections with shock cords) because of its portability and resistance.

Now, I don't know if I do a closed case for the platform that is going on rail (which will have the motor and controller), because I don't know how much heat will be generated inside. Is there any way I can do a estimative of how hot will be inside? And which material would be best for the case? Aluminum may have the problem of heat after a time shooting.

I have no idea of what I can use as legs for the rail, since I want it to be extendible to a certain height, portable and easy to mount. Any ideas? I have some ideas for the mounting, but not for the portable and extendable part.

And about the pan-tilt head, I don't know if I should use 3D printing (carbon fiber or ABS) or aluminum to do the case. The cost will be more or less the same. What do you guys think? Anyone has a good material to understand better the differences on harmony drives, DC motors, stepper motors and so on? I thought about using a DC motor with a belt drive system but I don't know if it will allow a smoother operation, slower pans and high precision.

Sorry for the many questions, I'm still learning things along the way. And sorry for any writing mistake

D Cox Forum Pro • Posts: 32,980
Re: Some questions of my DIY project

Do you know about kinematic design ? It can be very helpful for this kind of thing.

The basic idea is that any object can move in six directions: translation in X Y or Z, and rotation around the X Y and Z axes. (This applies to camera shake and stabilisation among other things).

The principle is to apply only enough constraints to prevent those of the six movements you don't want. This makes it much easier to make something that is accurate but simple. The best introduction I know is in a little old book by Braddick called "Mechanical Design of Laboratory Apparatus". If you Google this you will find a PDF to download, or you can buy a used copy for a few dollars on Amazon.

(Recently the people who design robots have made this subject very heavy and mathematical.)

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One possibility for the legs would be to buy an old tripod on eBay and cannibalize it.

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AlehCemy wrote:

Hey all,

I'm currently designing a DIY project involving a portable track for time lapse and dollies and a pan-tilt head. However, I live in a weather that can be a little tricky, because of humidity and heat. So I'm obviously worried about the materials I'm going to use. I know I'll probably use carbon fiber as the rail (I'll use a system of "snap" connections with shock cords) because of its portability and resistance.

Now, I don't know if I do a closed case for the platform that is going on rail (which will have the motor and controller), because I don't know how much heat will be generated inside. Is there any way I can do a estimative of how hot will be inside? And which material would be best for the case? Aluminum may have the problem of heat after a time shooting.

I have no idea of what I can use as legs for the rail, since I want it to be extendible to a certain height, portable and easy to mount. Any ideas? I have some ideas for the mounting, but not for the portable and extendable part.

And about the pan-tilt head, I don't know if I should use 3D printing (carbon fiber or ABS) or aluminum to do the case. The cost will be more or less the same. What do you guys think? Anyone has a good material to understand better the differences on harmony drives, DC motors, stepper motors and so on? I thought about using a DC motor with a belt drive system but I don't know if it will allow a smoother operation, slower pans and high precision.

Sorry for the many questions, I'm still learning things along the way. And sorry for any writing mistake

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Where did my answer go?

Anyway, about the aluminum, it is a good conductor of heat, but you might want to add some extruded heat sink strips to the case. or possibly a small vent fan if you have enough battery power.

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MustyMarie Regular Member • Posts: 240
No real heat if not moving very fast

Rhino gave away plans for a $75 DIY slider, using skate wheels, 2 alum tubes, cheap steel angle all simple parts, choose your parts quality as well, but was purely manual push, a good base to add motorization though. Google photo slides.

http://rhinocameragear.com/

If you look at the basic Rhino slider, the movement motor/elec is mounted on the end, and moves the cam via rope/cable, very simple!!

Here is wonderful use of sliders - http://timescapes.org/ It also was the very first 4khd video I saw, He used and wore out several 5DIII (shutters at least), also used HD video cams.

If the components only move at the pace of a snail then thermal worries make little sense, much like drive motors for telescopes or even gimbal systems for video.

As to a cover, put no bottom on it, that way it is shielded from moisture but air can cool it.

OTOH, if it is in the sun for hours, then thermal shielding is wise, all parts w/ electronics including cam and lens !!

But small ac or servo motors moving slowly will produce little to no heat, a few degrees above ambient, unless under constant strain of a load (then maybe too small for job), which I find hard to imagine with just a DSLR & lens.

The control electronics, assuming, should also not produce much heat, but shielding from the sun is again wise, but simple reflective foil (like on moon/mars rovers) is all that your need, as all parts must be able to operate in the ambient temp w/ no issues of course.

GL!

Mark S Abeln
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This is a classic application of what I like to call 'catalog engineering'. Much of what you want to do has been done already.

This is a low-cost vendor of control automation hardware, great for doing budget projects:

http://www.automationdirect.com

Also, you can get pre-made linear actuators that can do precise linear motion, again at low cost:

http://www.trossenrobotics.com

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Re: Some questions of my DIY project

AlehCemy wrote:

I thought about using a DC motor with a belt drive system but I don't know if it will allow a smoother operation, slower pans and high precision.

Maybe you'd want to use a geared drive with a stepper motor? Less slack and more precision?

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indigoer New Member • Posts: 1
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I would like to add the Famaga site the to list. They try to compete with AutomationDirect and have a lot to offer.

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indigoer wrote:

I would like to add the Famaga site the to list. They try to compete with AutomationDirect and have a lot to offer.

Welcome to dpreview.

The posting you replied to is many years old, and the original poster has never returned after asking the question, so I don't think they would benefit.

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