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Rain and the E-M1

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banest11 New Member • Posts: 5
Rain and the E-M1

Hi, new poster to this forum, but long time reader.

As some background, I have an E-M1 that is a little over a year old, so it is out of warranty. This last week, I was out in a light rain shooting with my E-M1. I thought, "No sweat, this what this camera was designed to do". And, indeed, it performed very well. However when I got home, it would not turn on with the on/off switch! I changed to a fresh battery, same thing. I started just randomly pressing buttons, and after pressing the AF/metering button, it turned on! The picture review button did nothing, but pressing the "OK" button in the middle of the 4-way pad would initiate picture review! The OK button would not perform its designed "OK" function, but only call up the last picture taken.

I suspected some water condensation inside the body, so I removed the battery, warmed the body up with my wife's hair dryer, no change. I then set it aside for a few hours. When I checked a few hours later, all was well and worked perfectly.

This was rather disconcerting, since I thought I had ruined the electronics with moisture. But, it is still working fine. My question is, is this normal? Has anybody else see this behavior? How probable is it that one my seals might be leaking water inside to the camera? I am now nervous about taking my camera out into a rain again, after this unsettling experience. To make it worse, I was in Zion NP, with Bryce NP on deck, and I thought my whole vacation was ruined by not having my trusty sidekick!! Thankfully, it was all good.

Thanks for any and all comments.

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Chris47 Regular Member • Posts: 164
Re: Rain and the E-M1

I also have the EM1 and when you wrote "I suspected some water condensation inside the body," I remembered having a problem when using my old zuiko 14-54mm and the MMF3 adapter.

I was hicking during 4 days in montains with rain, fog and sleet. I use a belt with a B-grip and the rain and snow was falling on the LCD and the viewer. The last day of the trip as we were walking down I discovered that my pictures were diffuses as taken into fog. The objective itself was clean on the outside of the glass so I suspected that condensation had come inside the house or inside the objectiv itself. I had no time to check my gear as it was raining. After some hours in a dry room everything was as it should be.

I am travelling to Island in few days with a new 12-40mm pro and later in the Norwegian mountains. I expect to have some rainy days so I will be able to check if the EM1 is as weather prof as advertised.

I do not think that your experience is normal and it sounds like an electronical disfunction which I hope for you was temporarily. If you are nervous to take your camera under rain it maybe a good idea to send it to Olympus for a check.

Jan Krux Contributing Member • Posts: 576
Re: Rain and the E-M1

Hi, new poster to this forum, but long time reader.

As some background, I have an E-M1 that is a little over a year old, so it is out of warranty. This last week, I was out in a light rain shooting with my E-M1. I thought, "No sweat, this what this camera was designed to do". And, indeed, it performed very well. However when I got home, it would not turn on with the on/off switch! I changed to a fresh battery, same thing. I started just randomly pressing buttons, and after pressing the AF/metering button, it turned on! The picture review button did nothing, but pressing the "OK" button in the middle of the 4-way pad would initiate picture review! The OK button would not perform its designed "OK" function, but only call up the last picture taken.

I suspected some water condensation inside the body, so I removed the battery, warmed the body up with my wife's hair dryer, no change. I then set it aside for a few hours. When I checked a few hours later, all was well and worked perfectly.

This was rather disconcerting, since I thought I had ruined the electronics with moisture. But, it is still working fine. My question is, is this normal? Has anybody else see this behavior? How probable is it that one my seals might be leaking water inside to the camera? I am now nervous about taking my camera out into a rain again, after this unsettling experience. To make it worse, I was in Zion NP, with Bryce NP on deck, and I thought my whole vacation was ruined by not having my trusty sidekick!! Thankfully, it was all good.

Thanks for any and all comments.

I have my E-M1 since Feb last year, worked a couple of times in rain so Camera and lens got pretty wet. No problems at all, which I expect from a waterproof Oly camera. Also there is a youtube review about this theme. The E-M1 is supposed to work flawless in and after rain.
My suggesteion as well is to bring it to an licensed Oly-Service.
all the best
Jan

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Bob657 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,486
Re: Rain and the E-M1

What lens were you using?  Without a sealed lens the camera will get water inside.  If you were using a sealed lens, then I suspect you have one of the covers loose, such as the jack for the remote on the upper left front or the accessory jack under the hot shoe.

I've used the EM1 and 50-200 or 12-40 with no problems in the rain, although I wouldn't trust it in a downpour!

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Fri13 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,116
Re: Rain and the E-M1
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If you want to get all moisture and water out of the camera if you are in question about the seals leaking etc, then get 1kg rice and pour all to container that is airtight and can hold the camera (body + objective). Place them inside and close the container. In 15-30min the rice has sucked all the moisture that there is in the camera or objective.

(You don't really need 1kg, but more is better and of course the rice itself needs to be dry. ;))

And of course the "DampRid" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uYMRSBEwfE

woodybrown
woodybrown Regular Member • Posts: 453
Re: Rain and the E-M1

If you haven't seen this, it's the official word from Oly re: EM 1 splash proofing:

http://www.olympusamerica.com/files/oima_cckb/E-M1_Weather_Resistance_EN.pdf

It is helpful in that it makes clear what Oly considers is necessary to maintain the integrity necessary for splash proofing.

What is rather ambiguous, however, is the extent of exposure that they deem to be appropriate. On the one hand they talk about use in rain, snow and dust, but they close with the caveat:

"Product damage caused by sand or liquid contamination will void the original warranty and any extended warranties if applicable. In most cases Olympus service will not be able to repair the camera. In these situations, the camera would be deemed beyond reliable repair and returned without servicing"

which would suggest that any camera returned for service that is found to have evidence of water exposure would not only have the warranty voided but would be deemed unrepairable.

There are lengthily threads addressing this issue but little consensus. Short of not submersing the camera/lens or holding it under running water, there is only conflicting guidance from Oly as to what their testing (if any) would delineate as excessive exposure. Even the caution re: running water is conflicted by an oft cited Oly PR video showing the camera held under a waterfall!

I certainly hope that your problem was transient - probably due to moisture that vaporized - but if it acts up again I would not hesitate to and it in for service as I have not seen any reports of cameras turned away from service as unrepairable.

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nopix
nopix Senior Member • Posts: 2,036
Re: Rain and the E-M1

I never trust the "weather sealing" in any of my cameras. I remember from the Nikonos days that the seals had to be maintained. I carry a rainsleeve in all of my camera bags and I use them. They work and they are cheap.

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lattesweden Veteran Member • Posts: 5,583
Re: Rain and the E-M1

What rainsleeve do you use?

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OP banest11 New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Rain and the E-M1

I was using the equally splash proof 12-40mm PRO lens. Good ideas on the covers, I will check those, thanks!!

Bob657 wrote:

What lens were you using? Without a sealed lens the camera will get water inside. If you were using a sealed lens, then I suspect you have one of the covers loose, such as the jack for the remote on the upper left front or the accessory jack under the hot shoe.

I've used the EM1 and 50-200 or 12-40 with no problems in the rain, although I wouldn't trust it in a downpour!

OP banest11 New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Rain and the E-M1

Wow, I had not seen this document. I will check all the seals/covers that they recommend. Thanks for the link!!

woodybrown wrote:

If you haven't seen this, it's the official word from Oly re: EM 1 splash proofing:

http://www.olympusamerica.com/files/oima_cckb/E-M1_Weather_Resistance_EN.pdf

It is helpful in that it makes clear what Oly considers is necessary to maintain the integrity necessary for splash proofing.

What is rather ambiguous, however, is the extent of exposure that they deem to be appropriate. On the one hand they talk about use in rain, snow and dust, but they close with the caveat:

"Product damage caused by sand or liquid contamination will void the original warranty and any extended warranties if applicable. In most cases Olympus service will not be able to repair the camera. In these situations, the camera would be deemed beyond reliable repair and returned without servicing"

which would suggest that any camera returned for service that is found to have evidence of water exposure would not only have the warranty voided but would be deemed unrepairable.

There are lengthily threads addressing this issue but little consensus. Short of not submersing the camera/lens or holding it under running water, there is only conflicting guidance from Oly as to what their testing (if any) would delineate as excessive exposure. Even the caution re: running water is conflicted by an oft cited Oly PR video showing the camera held under a waterfall!

I certainly hope that your problem was transient - probably due to moisture that vaporized - but if it acts up again I would not hesitate to and it in for service as I have not seen any reports of cameras turned away from service as unrepairable.

OP banest11 New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Rain and the E-M1

Good point, I will look into a rainsleeve for my E-M1. Any particular brand that is better than the other or one you recommend? Thanks.

nopix wrote:

I never trust the "weather sealing" in any of my cameras. I remember from the Nikonos days that the seals had to be maintained. I carry a rainsleeve in all of my camera bags and I use them. They work and they are cheap.

Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,182
Re: Rain and the E-M1

Not a lot to add to what's been posted but I notice you have two Pro zooms. The 40-150 being internal zoom won't pump much air but the 12-40 does, and it's possible you pulled air into the camera body that way. Don't have mine with me to double-check but I think the E-M1 air vent is under the card door (somebody please correct me if it's elsewhere). If moisture gets behind the door then it has a path into the camera.

That would be my top point of entry presuming all your caps, etc. are in place and in good condition and you're using sealed lenses.

Hopefully merely drying it out is enough to restore reliable service. I've had mine in extended rain a few times and no problems...so far.

Cheers,

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nopix Senior Member • Posts: 2,036
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Mine is several years old and doesn't have a name tag on it. I seem to remember that it cost around $20. It is simply a sleeve made of a water resistant material, probably a nylon or polyester. It covers both camera and lens and has a means of tightening the lens end against the lens hood and the back has room to put your hands in to operate the camera.

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These seem to indicate it's reasonably weather resistant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Omqui0SoI. (at about 5 min)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHiITExBqwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBas3HvD-w

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cbo229 New Member • Posts: 9
Re: Rain and the E-M1

First thing I did when I got my em1 and 12-40 was put it under a running sink to check the weather sealing. I figure that if it passes this test, I'll be fine in any future rains. And if it doesn't, it's still within the 15-30 day return/replace window, and worst case still under Olympus warranty.

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Rocky ID Olympian Contributing Member • Posts: 765
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I have been using Olympus pro grade cameras since E-3. Used E-3, E-5 and now E-M1. For all those cameras that Olympus cameras, I have been using them in extreme conditions and have not yet encountered any trouble.

I have to mention though, in E-M1 once I had condensation in the EVF but didnt experience malfunction. I guess this is because inside the mirrorless camera especially with IBIS, it is quiet warmer than traditional DSLR like E-3 or E-5.

Taken using E-M1 + 12-40mm Pro

I went for shower climbing and brought my E-M1. Carried and used it without hesitation.

Me and my E-5

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Colin K. Work Veteran Member • Posts: 3,699
Re: Rain and the E-M1

On one of my EM-1s and one (I think) battery I occasionally see symptoms similar to yours. It seems to be due to a less than perfect connection with a particular battery. Reinserting the battery sorts things out. This can happen without the camera being outside.

It could well be that your problem is not water related at all.

The problem with "weather proofing" is that it is totally unmeasurable. If something were to go wrong with the camera due to rain, I would certainly expect Oly to repair it despite their warranty disclaimer on the legal grounds of my "reasonable expectations" based on their advertising of the product (have you ever seen an Oly promo pic of the EM-1 without water droplets?)

As to rain covers - I used to use Storm Force on my Canons (the ones I had were too big for m43 and I haven't bothered to replace them). They are good quality if a bit pricey for what they are.

Alternatively, just stick a plastic bag and an elastic band in your back pocket and you're ready for anything. May not look pretty, but can do an effective job.

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