Should the name of this forum be adjusted?

msowsun wrote:

BarnET wrote:

SnappyChappie wrote:

Hey look, it's now changed to "Canon Rebel (EOS 300D-760D) Talk".

I was close with my first suggestion

That's great!

means the 1200d no longer has a place.

good riddance.

What about the 100D?

It desperately needs an update. Wouldn't suggest buying one today given the internal tech is just too outdated. Actually it was already dated at launch.

I agree that the 100d as a series would be a good entry point in the Canon EF world.

Relatively small, easy to use, good affordable lenses-accessoires (10-18mm 24mm F2.8) would be the key selling points.

It does need a better sensor, AF system, Battery, swivelscreen, processor (1080p 60fps), internal timelapse, WiFi and it needs it now.

They can keep the body more or less the same perhaps a deeper grip like the Nikon D5500 which could also house the bigger battery. Better battery life would be a key advantage over mirrorless options. Giving it limited juice just destroys one key advantage of Dslr's.

The current 24mp Canon sensor is not the best but it is good enough for this place in the market.

AF system is tough choice between 2 existing systems. 9 all crosstype for affordability and saving the point in buying the 750d/760d. Or the 19 all crosstype for longevity. You can already get the 39 9-crosstype af module in a D5200 for cheap these days. Just a matter of time till they launch a D3500 with that module.

The other points are pretty straight forward. Canon has them for years now with good implementation too.

BarnET wrote:

msowsun wrote:

BarnET wrote:

SnappyChappie wrote:

Hey look, it's now changed to "Canon Rebel (EOS 300D-760D) Talk".

I was close with my first suggestion

That's great!

means the 1200d no longer has a place.

good riddance.

What about the 100D?

It desperately needs an update. Wouldn't suggest buying one today given the internal tech is just too outdated. Actually it was already dated at launch.

I agree that the 100d as a series would be a good entry point in the Canon EF world.

Relatively small, easy to use, good affordable lenses-accessoires (10-18mm 24mm F2.8) would be the key selling points.

Relatively small??? its the smallest   DSLR in the world...and smaller than some m43

It does need a better sensor, AF system, Battery, swivelscreen, processor (1080p 60fps), internal timelapse, WiFi and it needs it now.

i have had no problems with the af....wifi will be nice.. tilt screen if it can be had with no size penalty to the screen or body or losing any buttons

They can keep the body more or less the same perhaps a deeper grip like the Nikon D5500 which could also house the bigger battery. Better battery life would be a key advantage over mirrorless options. Giving it limited juice just destroys one key advantage of Dslr's.

the grip is surprisingly good...most or not going to get the 100D for a 70-200F2.8

The current 24mp Canon sensor is not the best but it is good enough for this place in the market.

AF system is tough choice between 2 existing systems. 9 all crosstype for affordability and saving the point in buying the 750d/760d. Or the 19 all crosstype for longevity. You can already get the 39 9-crosstype af module in a D5200 for cheap these days. Just a matter of time till they launch a D3500 with that module.

The other points are pretty straight forward. Canon has them for years now with good implementation too.

i think canon should do 2 replacements...one as this one, which  is just most the bits pinched from the latest rebel so thats probably the 760/750D if it comes out soon..

and do a 100Dpro with some weather sealing  the best APS-c sensor canon  do, probably from the 80D very good AF, a pentaprism inplace of the pentamirror,, better video  like the 70D is now better buffer and FPS but canon will have to keep it below the 80D ...will put a lot on the price

davev8 wrote:

BarnET wrote:

msowsun wrote:

BarnET wrote:

SnappyChappie wrote:

Hey look, it's now changed to "Canon Rebel (EOS 300D-760D) Talk".

I was close with my first suggestion

That's great!

means the 1200d no longer has a place.

good riddance.

What about the 100D?

It desperately needs an update. Wouldn't suggest buying one today given the internal tech is just too outdated. Actually it was already dated at launch.

I agree that the 100d as a series would be a good entry point in the Canon EF world.

Relatively small, easy to use, good affordable lenses-accessoires (10-18mm 24mm F2.8) would be the key selling points.

Relatively small??? its the smallest DSLR in the world...and smaller than some m43

No it isn't once you mount a lens. With the 18-55mm it's larger then the competing Nikon since they use smaller collapsible zooms.

It does need a better sensor, AF system, Battery, swivelscreen, processor (1080p 60fps), internal timelapse, WiFi and it needs it now.

i have had no problems with the af....

It's a limited system with just 1 crosstype. Focus and recompose is a dinosaur technique these days and it needs improvements in that regard in order to be competitive.

All mirrorless can focus with great accuracy across the whole frame. Nikon D5200 has 39-af points from which 9 are crosstype and it costs 400 bucks at the moment.

9 all crosstype would be bare minimum while the 19 point system found in the 70d and current rebels would be excellent. The 80d will likely get the 7d mk2 system to differentiate itself above the rebels. Or Canon makes a new middle road system. who knows.

wifi will be nice.. tilt screen if it can be had with no size penalty to the screen or body or losing any buttons

That means only up and down since articulation to the side will make the body wider due to the hinge. This is fine since many mirrorless share this design trade-0ff.

They can keep the body more or less the same perhaps a deeper grip like the Nikon D5500 which could also house the bigger battery. Better battery life would be a key advantage over mirrorless options. Giving it limited juice just destroys one key advantage of Dslr's.

the grip is surprisingly good...most or not going to get the 100D for a 70-200F2.8

It's the smallest Dslr grip bar none. For anyone not having baby hands using such a lens = big challenge.

The current 24mp Canon sensor is not the best but it is good enough for this place in the market.

AF system is tough choice between 2 existing systems. 9 all crosstype for affordability and saving the point in buying the 750d/760d. Or the 19 all crosstype for longevity. You can already get the 39 9-crosstype af module in a D5200 for cheap these days. Just a matter of time till they launch a D3500 with that module.

The other points are pretty straight forward. Canon has them for years now with good implementation too.

i think canon should do 2 replacements...one as this one, which is just most the bits pinched from the latest rebel so thats probably the 760/750D if it comes out soon..

and do a 100Dpro with some weather sealing the best APS-c sensor canon do, probably from the 80D very good AF, a pentaprism inplace of the pentamirror,, better video like the 70D is now better buffer and FPS but canon will have to keep it below the 80D ...will put a lot on the price

Don't think that many people are interested in the pro one with the big jump in price. Ergonomics fast access to controls is just important in that part of the market. Which is why some mirrorless become bigger body wise then the 100d.

You need some space to place those buttons without it becoming fidly.

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BarnET wrote:

davev8 wrote:

BarnET wrote:

msowsun wrote:

BarnET wrote:

SnappyChappie wrote:

Hey look, it's now changed to "Canon Rebel (EOS 300D-760D) Talk".

I was close with my first suggestion

That's great!

means the 1200d no longer has a place.

good riddance.

What about the 100D?

It desperately needs an update. Wouldn't suggest buying one today given the internal tech is just too outdated. Actually it was already dated at launch.

I agree that the 100d as a series would be a good entry point in the Canon EF world.

Relatively small, easy to use, good affordable lenses-accessoires (10-18mm 24mm F2.8) would be the key selling points.

Relatively small??? its the smallest DSLR in the world...and smaller than some m43

No it isn't once you mount a lens. With the 18-55mm it's larger then the competing Nikon since they use smaller collapsible zooms.

Yes it is, you can mount the EF-S 24 or EF-S 40, both lenses are small and provide excellent IQ and value that is not easily matched in other systems.

Even if you compare it to Nikon's collapsible zoom, the Nikon lens is 9mm shorter but the d3300 is 7mm deeper, you save 2mm overall. Then the D3300 is 7mm longer and 7mm higher so the SL1 is still smaller even with the lens plus you don't have to hassle with extending and retracting the lens.

It does need a better sensor, AF system, Battery, swivelscreen, processor (1080p 60fps), internal timelapse, WiFi and it needs it now.

i have had no problems with the af....

It's a limited system with just 1 crosstype. Focus and recompose is a dinosaur technique these days and it needs improvements in that regard in order to be competitive.

As a satisfied owner of the SL1, I have no problem with the AF. More points would be great but I would not want to sacrifice small size for it.

All mirrorless can focus with great accuracy across the whole frame. Nikon D5200 has 39-af points from which 9 are crosstype and it costs 400 bucks at the moment.

SL1 fills a niche that no mirrorless or D5200 can fill.

9 all crosstype would be bare minimum while the 19 point system found in the 70d and current rebels would be excellent. The 80d will likely get the 7d mk2 system to differentiate itself above the rebels. Or Canon makes a new middle road system. who knows.

I owned a 7DII and know how awesome the AF coverage is but I did not want a crop camera that large. The SL1 is a great compromise.

wifi will be nice.. tilt screen if it can be had with no size penalty to the screen or body or losing any buttons

That means only up and down since articulation to the side will make the body wider due to the hinge. This is fine since many mirrorless share this design trade-0ff.

I would prefer the SL2 not to share design features with mirrorless, the SL1 already has better ergonomics than any similarly sized mirrorless camera I have used.

They can keep the body more or less the same perhaps a deeper grip like the Nikon D5500 which could also house the bigger battery. Better battery life would be a key advantage over mirrorless options. Giving it limited juice just destroys one key advantage of Dslr's.

the grip is surprisingly good...most or not going to get the 100D for a 70-200F2.8

It's the smallest Dslr grip bar none. For anyone not having baby hands using such a lens = big challenge.

A bigger grip (and battery) would be welcome, but this is a non-issue with the lenses I use on this camera.

The current 24mp Canon sensor is not the best but it is good enough for this place in the market.

AF system is tough choice between 2 existing systems. 9 all crosstype for affordability and saving the point in buying the 750d/760d. Or the 19 all crosstype for longevity. You can already get the 39 9-crosstype af module in a D5200 for cheap these days. Just a matter of time till they launch a D3500 with that module.

The other points are pretty straight forward. Canon has them for years now with good implementation too.

i think canon should do 2 replacements...one as this one, which is just most the bits pinched from the latest rebel so thats probably the 760/750D if it comes out soon..

and do a 100Dpro with some weather sealing the best APS-c sensor canon do, probably from the 80D very good AF, a pentaprism inplace of the pentamirror,, better video like the 70D is now better buffer and FPS but canon will have to keep it below the 80D ...will put a lot on the price

Don't think that many people are interested in the pro one with the big jump in price. Ergonomics fast access to controls is just important in that part of the market. Which is why some mirrorless become bigger body wise then the 100d.

You need some space to place those buttons without it becoming fidly.

SL1 is one of a very few that managed to have a great user interface in a small package, I suspect Canon will try to preserve that characteristic in a replacement for it.

My list of requests is pretty short:

• Articulated (or tilt) screen
• Exposure comp in manual with auto ISO
• Play button able to be programmed for full zoom at point of focus

Features I would like to see but not in exchange for a larger size

• Dual pixel
• focus point coverage
• FPS/bigger buffer
• Weather sealing

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BarnET wrote:

davev8 wrote:

BarnET wrote:

msowsun wrote:

BarnET wrote:

SnappyChappie wrote:

Hey look, it's now changed to "Canon Rebel (EOS 300D-760D) Talk".

I was close with my first suggestion

That's great!

means the 1200d no longer has a place.

good riddance.

What about the 100D?

It desperately needs an update. Wouldn't suggest buying one today given the internal tech is just too outdated. Actually it was already dated at launch.

I agree that the 100d as a series would be a good entry point in the Canon EF world.

Relatively small, easy to use, good affordable lenses-accessoires (10-18mm 24mm F2.8) would be the key selling points.

Relatively small??? its the smallest DSLR in the world...and smaller than some m43

No it isn't once you mount a lens. With the 18-55mm it's larger then the competing Nikon since they use smaller collapsible zooms.

OK i should have said worlds smallest body... but its IS much smaller when you mount a lens on it ..as many buy this camera to use it with the canon 24mm and the 40mm STM pancake lense on..i did...i dont think nikon do a pancake......a family member has a Nikon 3300  which i have handled and we found the 100D with the 24mm stm on  fitted in a jacket pocket better than body only for the 3300 here

It does need a better sensor, AF system, Battery, swivelscreen, processor (1080p 60fps), internal timelapse, WiFi and it needs it now.

i have had no problems with the af....

It's a limited system with just 1 crosstype. Focus and recompose is a dinosaur technique these days and it needs improvements in that regard in order to be competitive.

I am i bit lost ...please fill me in.. when using a OVF (or EVF)what faster method is there than focus recompose ?? i only ever use 1 focus point with a static scene...the center one if plenty DOF or i flick to a point that more or less in the correct place....if something is moving and i can track it i still use center point or flick all points on if i think i cannot ....

All mirrorless can focus with great accuracy across the whole frame. Nikon D5200 has 39-af points from which 9 are crosstype and it costs 400 bucks at the moment.

you are comparing a upper entry level camera with a entry level camera which is what the 100D is....the 100D is pitched against the Nikon 3300

9 all crosstype would be bare minimum while the 19 point system found in the 70d and current rebels would be excellent. The 80d will likely get the 7d mk2 system to differentiate itself above the rebels. Or Canon makes a new middle road system. who knows.

Camera Labs test of the 100D vs the 3300 gave the 100D having a little better AF and better handling and a touch screen  but the nikon has better IQ but its seams the 100D is more than good enough for its main rival .. i cut and past the somery

In terms of really significant differences, you could sum it up by saying that the EOS SL1 / 100D is more compact and offers better handling and AF performance, especially for movies. Against that, the D3300 counters with better image quality and noise performance. In the end its about deciding which of those factors is most important to you. One final factor that may also influence your decision is price. At the time of writing the Nikon D3300 was around 25 percent more expensive than the Canon EOS SL1 / 100D, with the latter enjoying more discounting due to its older age.

wifi will be nice.. tilt screen if it can be had with no size penalty to the screen or body or losing any buttons

That means only up and down since articulation to the side will make the body wider due to the hinge. This is fine since many mirrorless share this design trade-0ff.

yes that was what i was thinking just tilt as 90% of the time thats all you need and keeps it compact

They can keep the body more or less the same perhaps a deeper grip like the Nikon D5500 which could also house the bigger battery. Better battery life would be a key advantage over mirrorless options. Giving it limited juice just destroys one key advantage of Dslr's.

the grip is surprisingly good...most or not going to get the 100D for a 70-200F2.8

It's the smallest Dslr grip bar none. For anyone not having baby hands using such a lens = big challenge.

well yes i would hope the worlds smallest DSLR body will have the smallest grip...or it won't be the world smallest DSLR body.. many many small mirrorless rangefinder style cameras have much less pronounced grips than the 100D.and most  dont have a problem ..i dont find it a challenge and i dont have baby hands just average

The current 24mp Canon sensor is not the best but it is good enough for this place in the market.

AF system is tough choice between 2 existing systems. 9 all crosstype for affordability and saving the point in buying the 750d/760d. Or the 19 all crosstype for longevity. You can already get the 39 9-crosstype af module in a D5200 for cheap these days. Just a matter of time till they launch a D3500 with that module.

The other points are pretty straight forward. Canon has them for years now with good implementation too.

i think canon should do 2 replacements...one as this one, which is just most the bits pinched from the latest rebel so thats probably the 760/750D if it comes out soon..

and do a 100Dpro with some weather sealing the best APS-c sensor canon do, probably from the 80D very good AF, a pentaprism inplace of the pentamirror,, better video like the 70D is now better buffer and FPS but canon will have to keep it below the 80D ...will put a lot on the price

Don't think that many people are interested in the pro one with the big jump in price. Ergonomics fast access to controls is just important in that part of the market. Which is why some mirrorless become bigger body wise then the 100d.

You need some space to place those buttons without it becoming fidly.

well fuji and others are pushing small cameras as PRO with weather sealing,etc

the ergonomics are surprisingly good  i can change ISO,shutter speed,F stop, E comp,  AF point with my eye to the OVF (af selection is faster on my 5D with the joystick but only canons top dslr have one) and with the touch screen i can check for focus faster than you can with a Canon 1DX

i would pay for a 100D pro....

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Peter63 wrote:

BarnET wrote:

davev8 wrote:

BarnET wrote:

msowsun wrote:

BarnET wrote:

SnappyChappie wrote:

Hey look, it's now changed to "Canon Rebel (EOS 300D-760D) Talk".

I was close with my first suggestion

That's great!

means the 1200d no longer has a place.

good riddance.

What about the 100D?

It desperately needs an update. Wouldn't suggest buying one today given the internal tech is just too outdated. Actually it was already dated at launch.

I agree that the 100d as a series would be a good entry point in the Canon EF world.

Relatively small, easy to use, good affordable lenses-accessoires (10-18mm 24mm F2.8) would be the key selling points.

Relatively small??? its the smallest DSLR in the world...and smaller than some m43

No it isn't once you mount a lens. With the 18-55mm it's larger then the competing Nikon since they use smaller collapsible zooms.

Yes it is, you can mount the EF-S 24 or EF-S 40, both lenses are small and provide excellent IQ and value that is not easily matched in other systems.

Even if you compare it to Nikon's collapsible zoom, the Nikon lens is 9mm shorter but the d3300 is 7mm deeper, you save 2mm overall. Then the D3300 is 7mm longer and 7mm higher so the SL1 is still smaller even with the lens plus you don't have to hassle with extending and retracting the lens.

It does need a better sensor, AF system, Battery, swivelscreen, processor (1080p 60fps), internal timelapse, WiFi and it needs it now.

i have had no problems with the af....

It's a limited system with just 1 crosstype. Focus and recompose is a dinosaur technique these days and it needs improvements in that regard in order to be competitive.

As a satisfied owner of the SL1, I have no problem with the AF. More points would be great but I would not want to sacrifice small size for it.

All mirrorless can focus with great accuracy across the whole frame. Nikon D5200 has 39-af points from which 9 are crosstype and it costs 400 bucks at the moment.

SL1 fills a niche that no mirrorless or D5200 can fill.

9 all crosstype would be bare minimum while the 19 point system found in the 70d and current rebels would be excellent. The 80d will likely get the 7d mk2 system to differentiate itself above the rebels. Or Canon makes a new middle road system. who knows.

I owned a 7DII and know how awesome the AF coverage is but I did not want a crop camera that large. The SL1 is a great compromise.

wifi will be nice.. tilt screen if it can be had with no size penalty to the screen or body or losing any buttons

That means only up and down since articulation to the side will make the body wider due to the hinge. This is fine since many mirrorless share this design trade-0ff.

I would prefer the SL2 not to share design features with mirrorless, the SL1 already has better ergonomics than any similarly sized mirrorless camera I have used.

They can keep the body more or less the same perhaps a deeper grip like the Nikon D5500 which could also house the bigger battery. Better battery life would be a key advantage over mirrorless options. Giving it limited juice just destroys one key advantage of Dslr's.

the grip is surprisingly good...most or not going to get the 100D for a 70-200F2.8

It's the smallest Dslr grip bar none. For anyone not having baby hands using such a lens = big challenge.

A bigger grip (and battery) would be welcome, but this is a non-issue with the lenses I use on this camera.

The current 24mp Canon sensor is not the best but it is good enough for this place in the market.

AF system is tough choice between 2 existing systems. 9 all crosstype for affordability and saving the point in buying the 750d/760d. Or the 19 all crosstype for longevity. You can already get the 39 9-crosstype af module in a D5200 for cheap these days. Just a matter of time till they launch a D3500 with that module.

The other points are pretty straight forward. Canon has them for years now with good implementation too.

i think canon should do 2 replacements...one as this one, which is just most the bits pinched from the latest rebel so thats probably the 760/750D if it comes out soon..

and do a 100Dpro with some weather sealing the best APS-c sensor canon do, probably from the 80D very good AF, a pentaprism inplace of the pentamirror,, better video like the 70D is now better buffer and FPS but canon will have to keep it below the 80D ...will put a lot on the price

Don't think that many people are interested in the pro one with the big jump in price. Ergonomics fast access to controls is just important in that part of the market. Which is why some mirrorless become bigger body wise then the 100d.

You need some space to place those buttons without it becoming fidly.

SL1 is one of a very few that managed to have a great user interface in a small package, I suspect Canon will try to preserve that characteristic in a replacement for it.

My list of requests is pretty short:

• Articulated (or tilt) screen
• Exposure comp in manual with auto ISO
• Play button able to be programmed for full zoom at point of focus

Features I would like to see but not in exchange for a larger size

• Dual pixel
• focus point coverage
• FPS/bigger buffer
• Weather sealing

Yes +1

i would like to add 1.. to shoot RAW with smallest jpeg...as you can now only shoot RAW and largest jpeg ..i do this so windows can see the jpeg for sorting and if i need a quick one for face book or something

Also i would like auto iso to work like my fuji where you can set a minimum shutter speed and will only bump the iso up when it cannot maintain the exposure with the Fstop i have set

Spot metering on the used AF point will be handy

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davev8 wrote:

to shoot RAW with smallest jpeg...as you can now only shoot RAW and largest jpeg ..i do this so windows can see the jpeg for sorting and if i need a quick one for face book or something

For general interest... there are a few alternatives that allow you to avoid having to track and manage two sets of files. There's the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack, which allows Windows to use the JPEG embedded in a raw file as the file's thumbnail, and there are image viewers like Faststone that fully display the embedded JPEG. I find using both of those that I never need to shoot raw+JPEG, or extract the JPEGs from raw files (with something like Instant JPEG from RAW), for reviewing and managing files. Of course if you use something like DPP or Lighroom, you don't need to shoot raw+JPEG either. The only reason I'd do it is if I had to handover JPEGs straight off the memory card.