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xpatUSA • Forum Pro • Posts: 23,016

We're a strange lot . .

Jul 16, 2015

. . in the beginning, life was simple in the Sigma compact world.

There was the DP1 and the DP2. Everybody wrote DP1 and DP2 and we all knew what they meant. Then came the 's' and the 'x' models and some folks added the suffices and some didn't. Uncertainty began to creep in.

Next, the Mighty Merrills burst onto the scene in a blaze of glory and posters made damn sure they wrote in caps, especially the 'M' (it's that elitist thing).

Shortly (for Sigma) after that, here comes the Quattro but also an increase in uncertainty along with an increase in the use of lower case (it's that texting thing) - to the point now when someone mentions their "dp2" we are forced to look at context in order to decide between DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2M, DP2Q. All a bit confusing for your resident pedant

But now I notice that caps are once again popular, probably because Sigma has released the lower-case dp0 [sic] without the 'Q' - therefore everybody here has started writing "DP0Q", to my infinite puzzlement.

Oh well, off to take some shots with the 1, not sure which 1, or maybe I'll take the sdXIV . . .

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atom14 • Veteran Member • Posts: 3,301

Re: We're a strange lot . .

In reply to xpatUSA • Jul 16, 2015

xpatUSA wrote:

. . in the beginning, life was simple in the Sigma compact world.

There was the DP1 and the DP2. Everybody wrote DP1 and DP2 and we all knew what they meant. Then came the 's' and the 'x' models and some folks added the suffices and some didn't. Uncertainty began to creep in.

Next, the Mighty Merrills burst onto the scene in a blaze of glory and posters made damn sure they wrote in caps, especially the 'M' (it's that elitist thing).

Shortly (for Sigma) after that, here comes the Quattro but also an increase in uncertainty along with an increase in the use of lower case (it's that texting thing) - to the point now when someone mentions their "dp2" we are forced to look at context in order to decide between DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2M, DP2Q. All a bit confusing for your resident pedant

But now I notice that caps are once again popular, probably because Sigma has released the lower-case dp0 [sic] without the 'Q' - therefore everybody here has started writing "DP0Q", to my infinite puzzlement.

Oh well, off to take some shots with the 1, not sure which 1, or maybe I'll take the sdXIV . . .

Ave Ted

I suppose it's because we use the Roamin' alphabet.

atom14.

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OP xpatUSA • Forum Pro • Posts: 23,016

Re: We're a strange lot . .

In reply to atom14 • Jul 16, 2015

atom14 wrote:
I suppose it's because we use the Roamin' alphabet.

Excellent . .

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MOD Kendall Helmstetter Gelner • Forum Pro • Posts: 20,587

Re: We're a strange lot . .

In reply to xpatUSA • Jul 16, 2015

xpatUSA wrote:
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But now I notice that caps are once again popular, probably because Sigma has released the lower-case dp0 [sic] without the 'Q' - therefore everybody here has started writing "DP0Q", to my infinite puzzlement.

<...>

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atom14 • Veteran Member • Posts: 3,301

Re: We're a strange lot . .

In reply to Kendall Helmstetter Gelner • Jul 16, 2015

Kendall Helmstetter Gelner wrote:

xpatUSA wrote:

<...>

But now I notice that caps are once again popular, probably because Sigma has released the lower-case dp0 [sic] without the 'Q' - therefore everybody here has started writing "DP0Q", to my infinite puzzlement.

<...>

When the universe throws a Chaos Party, Human instinct is to bring the Cake of Order and Consistency.

Kendall...

That would make "the universe" a mere human construct. Cripes! Nothing exists!

Not even this.

...ephemerally yours,

at m14. (Ignore that! No, ignore everything!)

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ahaslett • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,643

Re: We're a strange lot . .

In reply to xpatUSA • Jul 16, 2015

Ted

Blame Marketing

http://www.sigma-imaging-uk.com/camera

... why not, they deserve it.

Andrew

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FDecker • Senior Member • Posts: 2,344

You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to xpatUSA • Jul 16, 2015

It is so easy, as you wrote there are:

DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2 Merrill, dp2 Quattro.

Whether you use lower case or upper case shouldn't confuse and using M and Q as an abbreviation is also OK in my point of view. BTW, there is no dp0, is is consistingly called dp0 Quattro.

The real problem is that a lot of people don't give all information which is needed to understand their posts. Sometimes they give misleading or wrong information.

On the other hand, people don't read properly as well. Sometimes, I am very irritated and frustrated by answers to my posts. It is amazing what people can read into something which is clearly written. A combination of their own fuzzyness and a lot of assumptions and prejudice overlaying the real information even before it is analyzed by their brain.

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Zone8 • Forum Pro • Posts: 17,276

Re: We're a strange lot . .

In reply to xpatUSA • Jul 16, 2015

Whilst YOU might be Quierd Ted.

Me? Well, I used to be conceited but now ..... I'm perfect!

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atom14 • Veteran Member • Posts: 3,301

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to FDecker • Jul 16, 2015

FDecker wrote:

It is so easy, as you wrote there are:

DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2 Merrill, dp2 Quattro.

Whether you use lower case or upper case shouldn't confuse and using M and Q as an abbreviation is also OK in my point of view. BTW, there is no dp0, is is consistingly called dp0 Quattro.

The real problem is that a lot of people don't give all information which is needed to understand their posts. Sometimes they give misleading or wrong information.

On the other hand, people don't read properly as well. Sometimes, I am very irritated and frustrated by answers to my posts. It is amazing what people can read into something which is clearly written. A combination of their own fuzzyness and a lot of assumptions and prejudice overlaying the real information even before it is analyzed by their brain.

FD...

Ultimately, it IS the Internet. Lo! and Behold! This is the INFORMATIONAge! Err! I mean

at m14.

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Zone8 • Forum Pro • Posts: 17,276

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to atom14 • Jul 16, 2015

atom14 wrote: Ultimately, it IS the Internet. Lo! and Behold! This is the INFORMATIONAge! Err! I mean

What you really, really mean is when spelling, DP is silent, as in bath!

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Roland Karlsson • Forum Pro • Posts: 30,033

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to FDecker • Jul 16, 2015

FDecker wrote:
It is so easy, as you wrote there are:
DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2 Merrill, dp2 Quattro.
Whether you use lower case or upper case shouldn't confuse and using M and Q as an abbreviation is also OK in my point of view. BTW, there is no dp0, is is consistingly called dp0 Quattro.
The real problem is that a lot of people don't give all information which is needed to understand their posts. Sometimes they give misleading or wrong information.
On the other hand, people don't read properly as well. Sometimes, I am very irritated and frustrated by answers to my posts. It is amazing what people can read into something which is clearly written. A combination of their own fuzzyness and a lot of assumptions and prejudice overlaying the real information even before it is analyzed by their brain.

I do not agree at all. I think you are wrong.

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victorgv • Senior Member • Posts: 2,123

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to atom14 • Jul 16, 2015

atom14 wrote:

FDecker wrote:

It is so easy, as you wrote there are:

DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2 Merrill, dp2 Quattro.

Whether you use lower case or upper case shouldn't confuse and using M and Q as an abbreviation is also OK in my point of view. BTW, there is no dp0, is is consistingly called dp0 Quattro.

The real problem is that a lot of people don't give all information which is needed to understand their posts. Sometimes they give misleading or wrong information.

On the other hand, people don't read properly as well. Sometimes, I am very irritated and frustrated by answers to my posts. It is amazing what people can read into something which is clearly written. A combination of their own fuzzyness and a lot of assumptions and prejudice overlaying the real information even before it is analyzed by their brain.

FD...

Ultimately, it IS the Internet. Lo! and Behold! This is the INFORMATIONAge! Err! I mean

at m14.

Ultimately, it IS the Internet. Lo! and Behold! This is the MISINFORMATION Age!

Here i fixed it for you;-)

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OP xpatUSA • Forum Pro • Posts: 23,016

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to FDecker • Jul 16, 2015

FDecker wrote:

It is so easy, as you wrote there are:

DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2 Merrill, dp2 Quattro.

Right, so easy indeed, FD. I'll be monitoring the situation and will bring the Wrath of Pedantry down on any transgression!

BTW, there is no dp0, it is [consistently] called dp0 Quattro.

<>

Yes, that's how Sigma calls it, I know.

Didn't take long for it to get consistently capitalized and contracted here, though!

My post was actually inspired by these two recent posts, and was tongue-in-cheek - not meant to be a rant:

DP0Q arrived, let the charging begin!

New official DP0Q samples

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Roland Karlsson • Forum Pro • Posts: 30,033

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to xpatUSA • Jul 16, 2015

xpatUSA wrote:
FDecker wrote:
It is so easy, as you wrote there are:
DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2 Merrill, dp2 Quattro.
Right, so easy indeed, FD. I'll be monitoring the situation and will bring the Wrath of Pedantry down on any transgression!
BTW, there is no dp0, it is [consistently] called dp0 Quattro.
<>
Yes, that's how Sigma calls it, I know.
Didn't take long for it to get consistently capitalized and contracted here, though!
My post was actually inspired by these two recent posts, and was tongue-in-cheek - not meant to be a rant:
DP0Q arrived, let the charging begin!
New official DP0Q samples

Yepp, when the improved dp2c Quattro arrives, it is going to be called DP2Qc.

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FDecker • Senior Member • Posts: 2,344

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to Roland Karlsson • Jul 16, 2015

Roland Karlsson wrote:

FDecker wrote:

It is so easy, as you wrote there are:

DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2 Merrill, dp2 Quattro.

Whether you use lower case or upper case shouldn't confuse and using M and Q as an abbreviation is also OK in my point of view. BTW, there is no dp0, is is consistingly called dp0 Quattro.

The real problem is that a lot of people don't give all information which is needed to understand their posts. Sometimes they give misleading or wrong information.

On the other hand, people don't read properly as well. Sometimes, I am very irritated and frustrated by answers to my posts. It is amazing what people can read into something which is clearly written. A combination of their own fuzzyness and a lot of assumptions and prejudice overlaying the real information even before it is analyzed by their brain.

I do not agree at all. I think you are wrong.

Fine sense of humour. And I feel flattered that you didn't add an emoticon but trusted in my ability to understand your comment.

At least, this is what I assume......

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Roland Karlsson • Forum Pro • Posts: 30,033

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to FDecker • Jul 16, 2015

FDecker wrote:
Roland Karlsson wrote:
FDecker wrote:
It is so easy, as you wrote there are:
DP2, DP2s, DP2x, DP2 Merrill, dp2 Quattro.
Whether you use lower case or upper case shouldn't confuse and using M and Q as an abbreviation is also OK in my point of view. BTW, there is no dp0, is is consistingly called dp0 Quattro.
The real problem is that a lot of people don't give all information which is needed to understand their posts. Sometimes they give misleading or wrong information.
On the other hand, people don't read properly as well. Sometimes, I am very irritated and frustrated by answers to my posts. It is amazing what people can read into something which is clearly written. A combination of their own fuzzyness and a lot of assumptions and prejudice overlaying the real information even before it is analyzed by their brain.
I do not agree at all. I think you are wrong.
Fine sense of humour. And I feel flattered that you didn't add an emoticon but trusted in my ability to understand your comment.
At least, this is what I assume......

I took a chance. I hesitated for some seconds whether a smiley would be necessary.

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NarrBL • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,137

Re: You know, people are lazy and superficial...

In reply to Roland Karlsson • Jul 17, 2015

That deserves a smiley, Roland -- from here

I long know that Laurence doesn't appreciate them, but on the internet, you have to do what you for others should do...!

Greetings from balmy Callifornia (two senses for sure), to Sweden which is a bit balmy this season also (you choose!)

Clive

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Zone8 • Forum Pro • Posts: 17,276

Now then Clive ....

In reply to NarrBL • Jul 17, 2015

NarrBL wrote: Greetings from balmy Callifornia (two senses for sure), to Sweden which is a bit balmy this season also (you choose!)

I fink yu spelled that rong as surely (Don't call me Shirley) you meant Barmy!

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NarrBL • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,137

Re: Now then Clive ....

In reply to Zone8 • Jul 17, 2015

Zone8 wrote:
NarrBL wrote: Greetings from balmy Callifornia (two senses for sure), to Sweden which is a bit balmy this season also (you choose!)
I fink yu spelled that rong as surely (Don't call me Shirley) you meant Barmy!

Could well be, Brian. Except these days, it's a bit problematic to distinguish from what the rest of the US may be...at least in this silly season...

Relaxing just to think of you there in your own pleasant evenings. Missing the chance to visit that interesting place.

Best,
Clive

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