Storage solution using PDA

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mjoshi Senior Member • Posts: 1,589
Storage solution using PDA

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

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Bjarne B. Dollerup Regular Member • Posts: 168
Re: Storage solution using PDA

I have seen some solutions on the web, check out the link I've included:

http://www.glasslantern.com/articles/PocketPCstorage/index.htm

Unfortunately, most of the solutions are built around a dual PC-card solution, available from HT/Compaq for it's IPAQs.

Also, check this link: http://www.tjotala.com/hardware/storagebrick/default.htm

Bjarne

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

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Beeeil Regular Member • Posts: 139
Re: Storage solution using PDA

I believe e740 as well as e330/5 (but not my e310 or most other PDAs) have USB HOSTS, therefore with the help of a special cable, you can use USB devices with them such as a Archos Jukebox MP3 player that are not primarily designed for digital photo storage. You will be able to use PDA to copy files with File Explorer from Storage Card to the external device.

However, your complication is going to come from the fact that there is no memory stick slot on the e740. You can use a MS-to-CF adapter like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18872&item=1947385627

I have never used one, though, but at least they are available.

You may want to check out PDA forums such as brighthand.com and search for the archives.

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

Jeff Blum Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: Storage solution using PDA

True, we recommend the iPaq line for a number of reasons. However, Pixfer will work on any other Pocket PC 2002 device with any media that is recognized as a storage card, which would include anything you can get an adapter for.

thanks,
-jeff

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Bjarne B. Dollerup wrote:
I have seen some solutions on the web, check out the link I've
included:

http://www.glasslantern.com/articles/PocketPCstorage/index.htm

Unfortunately, most of the solutions are built around a dual
PC-card solution, available from HT/Compaq for it's IPAQs.

Also, check this link:
http://www.tjotala.com/hardware/storagebrick/default.htm

Bjarne

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

hanschee New Member • Posts: 19
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Bjarne B. Dollerup wrote:

I have seen some solutions on the web, check out the link I've
included:

http://www.glasslantern.com/articles/PocketPCstorage/index.htm

Unfortunately, most of the solutions are built around a dual
PC-card solution, available from HT/Compaq for it's IPAQs.

Also, check this link:
http://www.tjotala.com/hardware/storagebrick/default.htm

Bjarne

too bad HP do not have a dual card slot adaptor for my Jornada PPC; well they do have it here http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/product_detail/product_detail_view.jsp?product_code=F2912A%23ABA

but alas...it's MMC card + PC card slots, if only they have CF + PC card slots then it'll be a perfect solution! anyway, if your digicam is using MMC as storage, and you have a Jornada, then perhaps this solutions suit you.

anyone know if there's a third-party dual slot adaptor that works for Jornada 5xx?

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hanschee New Member • Posts: 19
Re: Storage solution using PDA
Bruce M. Regular Member • Posts: 498
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Beeeil wrote:

I believe e740 as well as e330/5 (but not my e310 or most other
PDAs) have USB HOSTS, therefore with the help of a special cable,
you can use USB devices with them such as a Archos Jukebox MP3
player that are not primarily designed for digital photo storage.
You will be able to use PDA to copy files with File Explorer from
Storage Card to the external device.

No current PDA's can use USB for transferring data, it's missing from Microsoft's OS, ONLY via mass storage cards (CF SD MS MD) and/or via PCMCIA 16 bit (not CardBus 32 bit).

Beeeil Regular Member • Posts: 139
Re: Storage solution using PDA

I didn't think this discussion could turn into a Pocket PC discussion, but apparently there is a Pocket PC USB Mass Storage driver available. It's not something I would recommend if you are not a computer geek because it's pretty involved. People on Brighthand had gotten the e740 to read external USB HDs, which shows up as a USB Disk. See discussions here:

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64409

and here:

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66435

Beeeil

Bruce M. wrote:

Beeeil wrote:

I believe e740 as well as e330/5 (but not my e310 or most other
PDAs) have USB HOSTS, therefore with the help of a special cable,
you can use USB devices with them such as a Archos Jukebox MP3
player that are not primarily designed for digital photo storage.
You will be able to use PDA to copy files with File Explorer from
Storage Card to the external device.

No current PDA's can use USB for transferring data, it's missing
from Microsoft's OS, ONLY via mass storage cards (CF SD MS MD)
and/or via PCMCIA 16 bit (not CardBus 32 bit).

paul schwartz Regular Member • Posts: 233
Re: Storage solution using PDA

I sent the following e-mail to addonics (www.addonics.com)

You may not be aware that in the digital photography market which can take large digital images on flash media, there is some interest in portable mass storage to download the flash media to.

(see http://www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1023 and http://www.steves-digicams.com/digi_accessories.html#storage )

None of the available devices are really suitable. Recently this site http://www.glasslantern.com/articles/PocketPCstorage/index.htm became known. In fact your ex drive was used:
http://www.tjotala.com/hardware/storagebrick/default.htm .

With the arrival of the Dell axum a cheaper solution seems at hand with ex drive and the battery pack. The axum has both a cf and a sd slot. What would be needed from you is a adapter for your Usib to either a cf or sd

card socket. As my camera uses cf, putting the exdrive into the sd slot seems optimal (others use sd cards so vice-versa) A flat battery pack would make a nice package to fit a small digicamera case. A three foot cable between usib and sd would help in the field.
As there are already pcmcia > cf adapters this does seem do-able.
Please advise
Paul Schwartz

Additional interest might be useful.
Of course this would work with any 2 slot pda.

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

Bruce M. Regular Member • Posts: 498
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Beeeil wrote:

I didn't think this discussion could turn into a Pocket PC
discussion, but apparently there is a Pocket PC USB Mass Storage
driver available. It's not something I would recommend if you are
not a computer geek because it's pretty involved. People on
Brighthand had gotten the e740 to read external USB HDs, which
shows up as a USB Disk. See discussions here:

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64409

and here:

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66435

Beeeil

Alpha-level driver hacks that won't even read from a USB hard drive fast enough to be more than an experiment won't convince others of the feasibility of using PDA's for digital image file transfer storage.

The reality is that presently ONLY the iPaq 3600-3900 series PDA with an added PCMCIA sleeve is proven to work, and works exceptionally well. ANY other PDA, including the Dells and 1900 iPaq (no sleeves), Viewsonics, and probably Toshibas are a guess at best and wasted money spent on unuseable attachments at worst.

And yes, there is a CF> PCMCIA socket adaptor, but that is a hardware failure risk to the PDA and questionable for dependable performance. Experiments and image file integrity is a poor mixture.

OP mjoshi Senior Member • Posts: 1,589
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Thanks buys for your suggestions. But it seems i did not made my question clear enough. My PDA is having CF and SD slots. My camera can use only Memory Stick. Hence i need a mechanism to transfer images from 128 MB memory stick to 1GB CF card, without using computer (or notebook).

I know a CF adapter which can take MS.

thanks

MJ

Bruce M. wrote:

Beeeil wrote:

I didn't think this discussion could turn into a Pocket PC
discussion, but apparently there is a Pocket PC USB Mass Storage
driver available. It's not something I would recommend if you are
not a computer geek because it's pretty involved. People on
Brighthand had gotten the e740 to read external USB HDs, which
shows up as a USB Disk. See discussions here:

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64409

and here:

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66435

Beeeil

Alpha-level driver hacks that won't even read from a USB hard drive
fast enough to be more than an experiment won't convince others of
the feasibility of using PDA's for digital image file transfer
storage.

The reality is that presently ONLY the iPaq 3600-3900 series PDA
with an added PCMCIA sleeve is proven to work, and works
exceptionally well. ANY other PDA, including the Dells and 1900
iPaq (no sleeves), Viewsonics, and probably Toshibas are a guess at
best and wasted money spent on unuseable attachments at worst.

And yes, there is a CF> PCMCIA socket adaptor, but that is a
hardware failure risk to the PDA and questionable for dependable
performance. Experiments and image file integrity is a poor
mixture.

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Brian Willan Forum Member • Posts: 73
Re: Storage solution using PDA

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

Your best solution is to find a Memory Stick to SD media adapter and then use a program like pixer from http://www.glasslantern.com to copy your images.
I did a quick search with google for such an adapter and did not find any.

Other options include getting a large SD card and use the Memory Stick to CF adapter to copy your images from the CF slot to the SD slot again with the pixfer program or similar. The largest SD card that I quickly looked for was 256 Megs (sandisk).

If your PDA has a PCMCIA expansion slot add-on accessory, then you can get the memory stick to PCMCIA adapter and use that in combination with your CF card and a transfer program such as pixfer.

Of course, you could ditch your Sony camera and find one that takes SD media and then you would not require any adapters. Just Kidding

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SassKwatch Regular Member • Posts: 112
Re: Storage solution using PDA

mjoshi wrote:

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

Yes, you can do that......though it might be a little laborious.

http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/Accessory/CompactMS.htm

The above adapter will allow you to read your MS card from the e740's CF slot. You can then copy the pics to an SD card in the other slot. If you had a big enough SD card (or several smaller ones), you could stop there.

But since you already have a 1GB CF card, you can remove the MS> CF adapter, slide in the CF card, then copy (or move) the pics from the SD to the CF. Depending on how much room you have on the SD, it can wind up being a lot of shuffling of cards & adapters.

Like I said, not the easiest solution, but doable. I used a SmartMedia> CF adapter to do the same thing while on vacay back in Sept.

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Bruce M. Regular Member • Posts: 498
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Also, be certain the Toshiba has I/O capabilities for both the SD and CF slot. Some PDA's read only from one of the slots which may limit choices.

skeys Veteran Member • Posts: 3,191
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Bruce, I have been following the threads on using a PDA for mass storage.
I wanted you to know I thoroughly appreciate your responses.

I have corresponded with Jeff Blum and I want other members to know he is, in my experience, the consummate professional. He has answered my questions without "pushing" his product. I find that exemplary.

Steve

Bruce M. Regular Member • Posts: 498
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Steve,

Thanks. I want to share my enthusiam that I've discovered using the PDA solution. It's really like using a minature computer with all the file display and managing advantages inherent. It's not the cheapest solution or the simplest, but it is unquestionably the most complete. The hardware boxes look like dumb appliances in comparison.

I also have found Jeff to be as helpful; he integrated Nikon 5000 .NEF viewing into PocketLoupe simply by my suggestion and implemented it into the latest release within days of me sending sample .NEF files to him. I understand the author of Photogenics (PDA mini-Photoshop) is equally responsive. This concept is starting to take off and really shine.

RockyC New Member • Posts: 15
Re: Storage solution using PDA

I have a similar problem with my e740 and two cameras (C-3040 and DSC-F505) using both SM and MS. As the e740 has host USB capabilities, I even have the right cable, I had hoped to download from my cameras to larger format SD, CF, or Microdrive through the USB port while in the field. After numberous emails, Olympus, Sony, Toshiba, and Microsoft have all told me that they don't and won't write a device driver for either of the cameras for the Pocket PC operating system and that I should find someone to write the driver for me... Any driver programmers out there?

Another thought is that I remember seeing a CF to SM card adapter that might work in my e740 but can't seem to find it now. Has anyone seen such an adapter?

Thanks,

Rocky

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

Bruce M. Regular Member • Posts: 498
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Rocky C. wrote:

I have a similar problem with my e740 and two cameras (C-3040 and
DSC-F505) using both SM and MS. As the e740 has host USB
capabilities, I even have the right cable, I had hoped to download
from my cameras to larger format SD, CF, or Microdrive through the
USB port while in the field. After numberous emails, Olympus, Sony,
Toshiba, and Microsoft have all told me that they don't and won't
write a device driver for either of the cameras for the Pocket PC
operating system and that I should find someone to write the driver
for me... Any driver programmers out there?

Another thought is that I remember seeing a CF to SM card adapter
that might work in my e740 but can't seem to find it now. Has
anyone seen such an adapter?

Thanks,

Rocky

Try here:

http://semsons.com/memcarad.html

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

RockyC New Member • Posts: 15
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Here is a web site with a downloadable driver for USB mass storage devices. You'll want to be carefull as this is an alpha version of the driver and recognized as being unstable and could make you lose data on your Pocket PC. Also, other comments that I've seen suggest that it doesn't work very well with large file transfers to the e740 but we'll keep an eye on the site to if he gets the bugs worked out.

Good luck!

http://www.deje.gmxhome.de/index.html

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

OP mjoshi Senior Member • Posts: 1,589
Re: Storage solution using PDA

Hello All,

Thanks for your enthusiasm. I've used drivers from the site mentioned. Using it I was able to see Memorystick and all files on my Memorystick within PDA explorer. But I was unable to copy and .jpg file from MS to PDA (no matter what size).

I recently talked to Toshiba Tech support and Sony Tech Support.

Toshiba Tech Support was horrible. As soon as I said i'm connecting camera using USB expansion pack the guy said he cannot answer anything related to that. He was not even willing to listen what the matter is.

Then I called Sony, the Tech support was comparatively decent person. He was also not sure what to do with my situation. But during discussion. I figured out that Sony Digital camera is not recognizing a file if you change file name. i.e. When Sony digital camera takes snap it stores file name as DSC0001.jpg (or something like that).

Now when i copy same file to computer using USB it gets converted to something else e.g. Rubal0001.jpg.

Now if I copy back Rubal0001.jpg to my camera (using USB connection) then camera will not show me Rubal0001.jpg although it is copied from camera.

Now if i copy same Rubal0001.jpg file from computer to PDA using activesync then it shows me that file in Resco Picture viewer.

It seems to me that the file naming is a conflict between Toshiba PDA and Sony Digital camera.

There should be a mechanism similar to activesync which will take care of file conversion for PDA. So that PDA could read file.

Any idea related to this ?

I would appreciated if anyone able to copy files using USBMSC.dll drivers will post there solution here.

thanks

MJ

Rocky C. wrote:
Here is a web site with a downloadable driver for USB mass storage
devices. You'll want to be carefull as this is an alpha version of
the driver and recognized as being unstable and could make you lose
data on your Pocket PC. Also, other comments that I've seen suggest
that it doesn't work very well with large file transfers to the
e740 but we'll keep an eye on the site to if he gets the bugs
worked out.

Good luck!

http://www.deje.gmxhome.de/index.html

mjoshi wrote:

Hi All,

I recently bought Toshiba e740 PDA. It can take CF and SD media
formats. I've Sony DSC F717 which takes 128 MB MS format. Is there
a way to use my PDA with 1 GB CF to store images directly from MS
without transfering it to computer. My PDA is having USB port for
keyboard, mouse / printer connection.

thanks

MJ

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