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chip designer New Member • Posts: 7
help to decide

Hi,

Can you give me some suggestion?

I know I want a Canon, since I am familiar with their menu buttons in my previous cameras.

Whenever I travel, I like taking pictures of everything and all the time, and I was told that I take good shots.

But I only use either automatic mode, or the pre-set modes (snow, night, indoors, etc).

I want the best reviewed canon camera, prefer pocketable or not bulky, wide angle 24, with good zoom range, but its so hard, since Canon releases so many varieties.

I have been leaning towards this one:

Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II

I was the one just joined the group, asking about the meaning of Mark denomination.

but then, how about these: more pixels, more zoom, and less money:

Canon PowerShot SX710 HS <- is 25mm not wide enough as 24? is difference noticeable?

Canon PowerShot G7 X

Canon PowerShot SX530 HS <--- bulky, but wow zoom

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS 21-1365mm

the one above has 21 to 1365, 65x zoom.

I thought 24 is wide angle, so 21 is wider than wide 24?

if this what was not bulky, i would buy this one, then it would set me for life with just one camera can do wide 21 and 65x zoom.

Thanks,

Canon PowerShot G1 X Canon PowerShot G7 X Canon PowerShot SX530 Canon PowerShot SX60 HS Canon PowerShot SX710
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NWT Contributing Member • Posts: 744
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G1XII is compact, but not really pocket-able, G7X is more likely, but S120 is really the pocket-able one.

Mark9473 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,425
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From what I've seen on this forum, the SX60 is noticeably inferior in image quality than its predecessor the SX50. That one however 'only' starts at 24 mm.

Check your travel images to see which focal lengths and other settings you most commonly use, and produced your favourite images. If you can give up zoom range for image quality and low light capability, then a G7X or G1X.II is a significant step above the SX cameras.

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DonA2
DonA2 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,720
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Mark9473 wrote:

From what I've seen on this forum, the SX60 is noticeably inferior in image quality than its predecessor the SX50. That one however 'only' starts at 24 mm.

Check your travel images to see which focal lengths and other settings you most commonly use, and produced your favourite images. If you can give up zoom range for image quality and low light capability, then a G7X or G1X.II is a significant step above the SX cameras.

Agree with Mark.  A good all round travel camera requires a good zoom range and that is hard come by in pocket type gear.  The SX50 is top dog even with a couple of minor "less than perfect" items.  There are some new, fairly small, non Canon cameras that sport an EVF (very much required) and still offer a reasonable 30X zoom.  A movable LCD is also a very useful feature.  Also nice is a hot shoe for a small external flash but not really critical.

If I were to choose the best all-rounder travel camera it would be the SX50hs, if you can still find one.  Canon may still have some referbs at a very good price.

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(unknown member) Contributing Member • Posts: 847
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I agree about the SX60.
I ditched mine.

I'd hardly consider the SX50 a travel camera, unless you're the type who brings along the kitchen sink and annoys everyone on the plane with carry-on luggage that you cannot physically carry.
The Oly EM 10 with a long zoom is smaller!

I know you want to stay with Canon but I've been very happy with my Panny zs50. It fits in my front pocket, great zoom, very good IQ and a viewfinder.
Learning the menu was very easy (and I'm a former Canon fanboy until the SX60).

DonA2
DonA2 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,720
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Cjar wrote:

I agree about the SX60.
I ditched mine.

I'd hardly consider the SX50 a travel camera, unless you're the type who brings along the kitchen sink and annoys everyone on the plane with carry-on luggage that you cannot physically carry.
The Oly EM 10 with a long zoom is smaller!

I know you want to stay with Canon but I've been very happy with my Panny zs50. It fits in my front pocket, great zoom, very good IQ and a viewfinder.
Learning the menu was very easy (and I'm a former Canon fanboy until the SX60).

Come on Cjar, you know full well the SX50 is not a "big bag" camera.  It's a near perfect travel type camera as it answers every need for a compact, do it all, stand alone system.

I do a lot of traveling and my previous SZs fit into one small bag that takes little room in my one carry on bag.  Your Panny ZS50 was one referred to as a smaller fairly pocket-able camera as is the Sony.  I still prefer the Canon offerings but my latest SX60hs has some issues and therefor the SX50 was suggested.  My older SX40 was only a bit short on the tele end at times.  Still have it as a backup.

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Richard_CC Regular Member • Posts: 327
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I've been looking at the S120 in my quest to carry less "stuff".  But, I know that some cameras can be charged via a mini usb so I would only need one charger (phone and camera).  It looks like with the Canons you have to remove the battery and use the proprietary charger, which means taking  not just the charger but the lead as well.  Looking at the brochures, the charger looks to be bigger than the camera and presumably weighs more too.

So, you pay a fair bit for a light, small camera but are condemned to having a brick in your carry on bags.

Any comments or suggestions?

Mark9473 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,425
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DonA2 wrote:

Cjar wrote:

I'd hardly consider the SX50 a travel camera, unless you're the type who brings along the kitchen sink and annoys everyone on the plane with carry-on luggage that you cannot physically carry.
The Oly EM 10 with a long zoom is smaller!

I know you want to stay with Canon but I've been very happy with my Panny zs50. It fits in my front pocket, great zoom, very good IQ and a viewfinder.
Learning the menu was very easy (and I'm a former Canon fanboy until the SX60).

Come on Cjar, you know full well the SX50 is not a "big bag" camera. It's a near perfect travel type camera as it answers every need for a compact, do it all, stand alone system.

I do a lot of traveling and my previous SZs fit into one small bag that takes little room in my one carry on bag.

Looking at the actual size I think you'll have a hard time convincing anybody that the SX50 is a small camera.

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brianj Forum Pro • Posts: 14,657
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Richard_CC wrote:

I've been looking at the S120 in my quest to carry less "stuff". But, I know that some cameras can be charged via a mini usb so I would only need one charger (phone and camera). It looks like with the Canons you have to remove the battery and use the proprietary charger, which means taking not just the charger but the lead as well. Looking at the brochures, the charger looks to be bigger than the camera and presumably weighs more too.

So, you pay a fair bit for a light, small camera but are condemned to having a brick in your carry on bags.

Any comments or suggestions?

I agree, this old fashion charging method is close to a deal breaker for me, every camera has a different battery and charger so if you have two or more different models you could be carrying up to three of these bricks everywhere.  samsung had sensible USB charging years ago, what is wrong with canon?

Brian

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DonA2
DonA2 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,720
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Mark, I never stated that the SX50 was small. It isn't all that big either. Sure there are smaller choices but do they offer as much in one package? I'm all for small IF it offers everything necessary in a "do it all" tool. We carry an S100 when really small can be an asset.

Cameras are evolving and certainly getting smaller without giving up many desirable features. Personally I prefer enough bod to hold effectively, a decent EVF, a broad zoom range, a flip out screen a hot shoe and acceptable IQ. If it all comes in a much smaller package I will be in the lineup.

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NWT Contributing Member • Posts: 744
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On the other hand, if you are traveling, you will probably need more than just one battery, if it is an in-camera charger, you will not be able to use the camera while charging the batteries.

lizardi Contributing Member • Posts: 545
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SX50 is the only Canon I own, so I'm just weighing in to say that if that ends up being your choice, I recently got a second one...."refurbished" from Nikon USA for $179.00. It appears to be brand new, and came with a 1 year warranty as well as battery and charger. I think it was probably deemed "defective," since there's a tiny red spot on the LCD.... a bad pixel maybe?...pics are fine, so it doesn't bother me at all. Great camera if you don't need it to go in your pocket.

Liz

OzarkAggie Senior Member • Posts: 2,153
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I think the G7x might be your best bet. Since you only shoot Auto & Scenes your primary interest would seem to be snapshots to be viewed on the web, or in small prints.

At the risk of being pilloried I think you should consider that camera has the wide angle you want - 24mm - and you can extend your telephoto to 400mm using digital zoom.

The downside is that using digital zoom involves interpolation, a calculated enlargement, or reduced resolution, and the result may be softer depending on the subject. Not good for landscape but okay for people.

The reality is that you probably won't notice it. 20mp is a lot of resolution - poster sized resolution - so even an 8x10 won't look bad.

It will also fit in your pocket, or into a belt holster (my preference). With a holster the camera is protected and you can carry an extra battery or two.

Last word: Nothing really beats having the camera in hand. Make sure it feels comfortable or at least adaptable.

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OP chip designer New Member • Posts: 7
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OzarkAggie wrote:

I think the G7x might be your best bet. Since you only shoot Auto & Scenes your primary interest would seem to be snapshots to be viewed on the web, or in small prints.

At the risk of being pilloried I think you should consider that camera has the wide angle you want - 24mm - and you can extend your telephoto to 400mm using digital zoom.

The downside is that using digital zoom involves interpolation, a calculated enlargement, or reduced resolution, and the result may be softer depending on the subject. Not good for landscape but okay for people.

The reality is that you probably won't notice it. 20mp is a lot of resolution - poster sized resolution - so even an 8x10 won't look bad.

It will also fit in your pocket, or into a belt holster (my preference). With a holster the camera is protected and you can carry an extra battery or two.

Last word: Nothing really beats having the camera in hand. Make sure it feels comfortable or at least adaptable.

Thanks everyone for your comments.

I think I like to get g1x mII.

There is one that it seems to have everything that I want, but is not a canon

and there is no review, and it will be released in june 24 according to amazon.

sony dschx90v , wide angle 24 with 30x zoom, 18mpixel, pocketable

no review, but would you buy it just for the specs?

brianj Forum Pro • Posts: 14,657
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NWT wrote:

On the other hand, if you are traveling, you will probably need more than just one battery, if it is an in-camera charger, you will not be able to use the camera while charging the batteries.

I can use the spare during shooting time and charge the depleted one in camera during the night or down time, surely no one shoots for more than 24 hours continuously.

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NWT Contributing Member • Posts: 744
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Sure you can, and sure one may not want to use their camera 24 hours either.

kodakrome
kodakrome Senior Member • Posts: 1,026
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It depends what you want to take pictures of because everything is a trade off. The sx50 gives you a lot of zooming power, but at a cost. A g7x will give you better quality images, and be better in low light. The g7x sensor is 4 times the size as the sensor in the sx50, and the g7x has a faster lens. If you're out in good light shooting birds, you might like the sx50. For just about everything else, the g7x will be better.

NWT Contributing Member • Posts: 744
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That Sony one will have a tiny sensor. Maybe you should wait for Canon's G3X if you need longer reach than G1XII.

Mark9473 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,425
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chip designer wrote:

There is one that it seems to have everything that I want, but is not a canon

and there is no review, and it will be released in june 24 according to amazon.

sony dschx90v , wide angle 24 with 30x zoom, 18mpixel, pocketable

no review, but would you buy it just for the specs?

Just on specs I would personally not buy it.

18 megapixels in a tiny 1/2.3" format sensor implies noisy images even at base ISO, and excessive detail-smearing noise reduction at higher ISO.

If looking for a camera with tiny sensor, the 12 Mpix Panasonic ZS50 / TZ70 is more to my liking. But a larger sensor would still be better.

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OP chip designer New Member • Posts: 7
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NWT wrote:

That Sony one will have a tiny sensor. Maybe you should wait for Canon's G3X if you need longer reach than G1XII.

From what I learned in a short period of time in this forum with all your help, is that the

most important factor is the size of the CMOS sensor.

I think this Canon G3X is really the camera to get, to keep for a long long time.

I hope dpreview will be reviewing it soon.

Canon PowerShot G3 X Premium Compact Camera Specifications Summary:

  • One-inch, 20.2 Megapixel High Sensitivity CMOS Sensor
  • Canon DIGIC 6 Image Processor
  • 24-600mm equivalent, f/2.8-5.6 25x Optical Power Zoom Lens
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