14mm or wait for the 16mm?

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Davidsu New Member • Posts: 12
14mm or wait for the 16mm?
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I'm debating buying the 14mm f2.8, which has gotten very solid reviews and all the pictures I've seen from this lens are gorgeous.  However, I'm hesitating to buy with the new 16mm f1.4 hopefully coming out soon. Does anyone have experience with a focal length similar to the 16mm? Other than the faster aperture, what would be the benefit to a lens like this? The lens would be used for lots of landscapes/architecture/some street photography.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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DarnGoodPhotos Forum Pro • Posts: 10,280
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

Ignoring the focal length difference, and assuming the IQ is equal, the 16mm lens will be better in lowlight.

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Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

darngooddesign wrote:

Ignoring the focal length difference, and assuming the IQ is equal, the 16mm lens will be better in lowlight.

Except that the focal length difference is significant.

It puts the lens in a different class. The 14 is more specialized for landscape, architecture, while the 16 is more of an all around wide angle.

The 16 will be more versatile, no contest. Definitely larger to boot.

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win39 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,560
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

It is a conundrum. Both are wide angle, although the 14 is significantly wider. I have used both equivalents with film. The 16 is much easier to use without getting tilts and perspective distortions. You really have to be careful with the 14. One the other hand Fuji has chosen to show off their lens making abilities again with the 16. It is going to big and expensive. An F2 would have been much nicer in the size, weight, and cost departments. The 24 mm on 35mm film was Galen Rowell's favorite focal length.

If it were me I might get the 16-55 and eliminate a separate wide angle.

ryan2007 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,001
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

Davidsu wrote:

I'm debating buying the 14mm f2.8, which has gotten very solid reviews and all the pictures I've seen from this lens are gorgeous. However, I'm hesitating to buy with the new 16mm f1.4 hopefully coming out soon. Does anyone have experience with a focal length similar to the 16mm? Other than the faster aperture, what would be the benefit to a lens like this? The lens would be used for lots of landscapes/architecture/some street photography.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

What camera system are you using now?  If Fuji what lens or lenses do you have. Are you using a point and shoot camera and are new to fuji?

depending you may already know the answer without you knowing you do.

OP Davidsu New Member • Posts: 12
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

ryan2007 wrote:

Davidsu wrote:

I'm debating buying the 14mm f2.8, which has gotten very solid reviews and all the pictures I've seen from this lens are gorgeous. However, I'm hesitating to buy with the new 16mm f1.4 hopefully coming out soon. Does anyone have experience with a focal length similar to the 16mm? Other than the faster aperture, what would be the benefit to a lens like this? The lens would be used for lots of landscapes/architecture/some street photography.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

What camera system are you using now? If Fuji what lens or lenses do you have. Are you using a point and shoot camera and are new to fuji?

depending you may already know the answer without you knowing you do.

I use an x-t1 and I have the XF 56mm, 23mm, and 18-135mm

Marcos Villaroman Veteran Member • Posts: 6,256
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

Davidsu wrote:

I'm debating buying the 14mm f2.8, which has gotten very solid reviews and all the pictures I've seen from this lens are gorgeous. However, I'm hesitating to buy with the new 16mm f1.4 hopefully coming out soon. Does anyone have experience with a focal length similar to the 16mm? Other than the faster aperture, what would be the benefit to a lens like this? The lens would be used for lots of landscapes/architecture/some street photography.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

If you like 14mm a lot and can live with f/2.8, the 14mm has a lot to offer, especially smaller size.

In my case I decided to get a 10-24 over the 14 due to being able to go wider, the zoom, and OIS.

So for me, the 16mm is a very tempting addition when I need to go wider and fast and presumably even better IQ.

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Sal Baker Forum Pro • Posts: 11,495
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

I have the X-E2, 23mm, 56mm, 14mm and kit zoom.  The 14mm is by far the most unique (in a good way) prime.  The kit zoom has a lot of distortion at the wide end, and by the time the software cleans it up it has lost several mm in FL.  The 14mm is near-perfect and needs no correction.  It's a classic prime.

The new 16mm will be interesting, but it will probably be a bit too big for an X-cam IMO.  Plus I already have a super sharp 18mm f2.8 prime permanently attached to my pocket cam, the Ricoh GR.

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TORN Senior Member • Posts: 1,605
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

For your setup the 14 seems to add more in terms of the kind of pictures you can take. AL 23, ultra wide 14. The 16 is something in between.

However the 14 can be had used for a good price, it is small and leight and it adds something like really wide angle to your setup. The 16 will be big, expensive and targeted more towards AL. Whatever is best for you.

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OP Davidsu New Member • Posts: 12
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

TORN wrote:

For your setup the 14 seems to add more in terms of the kind of pictures you can take. AL 23, ultra wide 14. The 16 is something in between.

However the 14 can be had used for a good price, it is small and leight and it adds something like really wide angle to your setup. The 16 will be big, expensive and targeted more towards AL. Whatever is best for you.

Thank you all for your input! I'm leaning more towards the 14mm after what's been said.

TORN- pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by AL?

Rod McD Veteran Member • Posts: 7,156
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

Hi,

I used to use the 24mm FL a lot for landscape in FF film and would have bought a 16mm if one had been available from Fuji - it's not quite as extreme in it's perspective as the 14mm.  As it is, I bought the 14mm and have adapted and like it.  As others have said, you have to be careful of your foreground content and verticals with the 14mm.  (You will in fact have to do that for both, but more so with the 14mm.)  It really is a very good lens.

The real asset to the 16mm will be its f1.4 maximum aperture if that's your thing.   This will allow more subject separation than say an f2.8 lens (though it still won't be all that much) and it will allow higher shutter speeds in low light (if the subject works with shallow DOF).  The price of all that will be size, weight and cost. Many fast WA lenses are also prone to flare..... which the slower 14mm handles well.  We'll see when the 16mm is available.

Cheers, Rod

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pluton Veteran Member • Posts: 3,402
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

If the 16/1.4 has pronounced barrel distortion, as most high-speed, very wide angles do, then by the time software correction is in place, the effective focal length(based on the angle of view) might be in the neighborhood of 17 to 18mm.

Personally, I like this because the 18mm F.L. (approx. 28mm on 24x36) is one of my favorites since time immemorial.

The 14mm requires no software correction, and thus loses none of it's angle of view in post.

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Rod McD Veteran Member • Posts: 7,156
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

Hi,

You may be right, but as I understand it, manufacturers who use in-camera correction to reduce distortion sometimes make the FL shorter in order to offset the loss of image caused by correction.

Obviously at this stage, I've no idea of any details about the Fuji 16/1.4. OTOH, my guess would be that Fuji will bend over backwards to make sure that its images looks like a true 16mm FOV. If they don't, and it actually looks like an 17-18mm, it will lose sales to the 18mm or either of the 18-XX zooms, both of which appear to be strong in the WA range.  A good many people already have one of the three and won't want yet another one.

Rod

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ryan2007 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,001
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

Davidsu wrote:

ryan2007 wrote:

Davidsu wrote:

I'm debating buying the 14mm f2.8, which has gotten very solid reviews and all the pictures I've seen from this lens are gorgeous. However, I'm hesitating to buy with the new 16mm f1.4 hopefully coming out soon. Does anyone have experience with a focal length similar to the 16mm? Other than the faster aperture, what would be the benefit to a lens like this? The lens would be used for lots of landscapes/architecture/some street photography.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

What camera system are you using now? If Fuji what lens or lenses do you have. Are you using a point and shoot camera and are new to fuji?

depending you may already know the answer without you knowing you do.

I use an x-t1 and I have the XF 56mm, 23mm, and 18-135mm

The difference between the 16 mm and 18 mm focal length you have in the 18-135 is minor.

The 14 mm focal length or the 10-24 would be a great compliment to the 18-135.

You may not need your 23 mm prime for sake of focal length overlap.

I assume the 16 mm like all other primes will not have OIS. The 10-24 does.

How often do you need 1.4 with your 23 mm? If the answer is a lot then get a prime lens. If not the 10-24 is a very nice lens.

Again, look wise the 16 mm is a hair wider but 14 mm will be more noticeable.

slimandy Forum Pro • Posts: 17,161
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

win39 wrote:

It is a conundrum. Both are wide angle, although the 14 is significantly wider. I have used both equivalents with film. The 16 is much easier to use without getting tilts and perspective distortions.

That's one of the reasons I use wide angle. I like to distort perspective for artistic reasons. For my personal use that gives the advantage to the 14mm.

The biggest single advantage of the 16mm IMO is the fast aperture, and that is something that appeals. I'll be tempted to buy that too but I suspect the price will put me off.

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TORN Senior Member • Posts: 1,605
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

I am sorry, AL stands for available light, so rather poor light but still using no flash.

Question 1 I would tackle is: How big of a lens do you accept on a Fuji body. Some folks went to Fuji for the portable experience and some switched completely to Fuji and do not care about size at all. Answering that question for you may help to cancel out certain choices. The 16 is sure to be a rather big lens due to its specification. Something between 23 and 56 I guess.

Question 2: What is the price you are willing to pay. I would be surprised if you could get the 16 well below 1000 Euro any time soon even used. The 14 is on the market for some time and some people replace it with a Zeiss 12 and others with a 10-24. Used but in as new condition it can be had for quite a sensible price.

Question 3: What would be your application/benefit? As said the 14 will at least extend your possibilities at the wide end from 18 to 14 which is a lot. Just for the 16mm I would not carry another lens. Strength of the 16 is the speed of 1.4. Question is do you have any application? Typical choices would include astro photography (then you may well look at the Samyang 12), event photography without flash (16 is already pretty wide and can be ugly for people; I think your 23 covers that a bit better), wide action photography (snowboard jumping, mountain biking or anything you have from a pretty close distance; well I would not count on Fuji AF for that, maybe the Samyang 8 will be an alternative) or maybe just wide close ups of things with some background separation (the 14 can get pretty close and the 23 may help you out here as well). There you have it. Are you a 16mm 1.4 guy?

The 16mm will surely be a great lens but is it for you? It surely is not for me since I always would prefer 14 or 10-24 when combined with the 23 (I do not need and want to collect them all just for the sake of it).

Good luck to you! Btw. you got a pretty cool setup with the 23+56 already. I am pretty sure a 14 will extend your possibilities greatly and it will match your expectations.

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Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

I'm debating buying the 14mm f2.8, which has gotten very solid reviews and all the pictures I've seen from this lens are gorgeous.  However, I'm hesitating to buy with the new 16mm f1.4 hopefully coming out soon. Does anyone have experience with a focal length similar to the 16mm? Other than the faster aperture, what would be the benefit to a lens like this? The lens would be used for lots of landscapes/architecture/some street photography.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I expect weight to be a significant factor, the 14mm is pretty light weight

14mm (aka 21mm) is start of what is called the super-wides. What it does is specialist but when you need it there is no other.
For example close architecture, inside buildings and close people groups are fantastic with this lens.

16mm is a slightly duller 24mm equiv. I find myself preferring 14mm or 23mm depending on the subject.

If you have 23mm or even 35mm then 16mm IMHO is too close

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deednets Forum Pro • Posts: 11,030
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

ryan2007 wrote:

Davidsu wrote:

ryan2007 wrote:

Davidsu wrote:

I'm debating buying the 14mm f2.8, which has gotten very solid reviews and all the pictures I've seen from this lens are gorgeous. However, I'm hesitating to buy with the new 16mm f1.4 hopefully coming out soon. Does anyone have experience with a focal length similar to the 16mm? Other than the faster aperture, what would be the benefit to a lens like this? The lens would be used for lots of landscapes/architecture/some street photography.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

What camera system are you using now? If Fuji what lens or lenses do you have. Are you using a point and shoot camera and are new to fuji?

depending you may already know the answer without you knowing you do.

I use an x-t1 and I have the XF 56mm, 23mm, and 18-135mm

The difference between the 16 mm and 18 mm focal length you have in the 18-135 is minor.

The 14 mm focal length or the 10-24 would be a great compliment to the 18-135.

You may not need your 23 mm prime for sake of focal length overlap.

I assume the 16 mm like all other primes will not have OIS. The 10-24 does.

How often do you need 1.4 with your 23 mm? If the answer is a lot then get a prime lens. If not the 10-24 is a very nice lens.

Again, look wise the 16 mm is a hair wider but 14 mm will be more noticeable.

Oh dear ... the difference between 16 and 18 is minor whereas the 14 is only "a hair" wider than the 16??

I am sure there will be some disagreement as the statements - if you wanted to make this a case - should be the other way round! The viewing angle changes faster with every millimeter towards the wider end.

In the analogue days there were a lot of people who had the 24 and the 28 mm lenses and the difference was never really considered "minor" but you have 10.000 posts under your belt you possibly know that?

Deed

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richheath Forum Member • Posts: 61
Re: 14mm or wait for the 16mm?

I'd go for the 14mm. It's a fantastic lens and presents a very different perspective to the 18mm end of the 18-55. While there is obviously a difference between 16 and 18, it probably wouldn't allow/encourage me to do anything particularly different, whereas the 14 does.

Where the 16 wins is in low light ability. If it's for "street" then the 16 might be a good idea. If you're looking at landscape you'll mostly be on a tripod anyway with apertures F8-11.

The 14 is a lovely accompaniment to most X bodies in terms of size and build quality. You can also get them pretty cheap secondhand/refurbished/on offer. You won't be able to find a secondhand/refurbished/price-reduced 16 for quite some time.

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