Will samsung make full frame for NX series ?

I am a big fan of Samsung. I can tell NX Galaxy is a great toy with amazing screen.

The NX300 can beat all canon, nikon crop sensor easily and only lost to their Full Frame camera. But, how much u paid for NX300 ? I got one Brown, + 45mm f/1.8 3D for only $350 from Adorama. To beat this little toy, you have to get a full frame.

I can tell the 45mm f/1.8 is super sharpe, not gonna lose to Canon L series. This is my pictures took with NX300 + 45mm f/1.8

NX300 + 45mm f/1.8

NX300

NX300

I just got Sony A7 but I end up sell this A7, full frame is nice for sony, but I can tell, focus is slow,  noises is just OK, not much suprise me. And the Lens Series of Sony is painful. Not much lens, or too expensive.

I am enjoying my Galaxy NX and NX300, Interesting on NX1. However, I wonder when will Samsung release full frame? And if they release a full frame, do you think the NX Lens can still good on FF ? or it will be FNX mount like FE mount hahahahah.

Samsung's goal is to make better APS-C sensors than everyone else's FF sensors.  They are using thinner blacklit copper based sensors and making good advances.

They are also offering wide apertures lens for anyone who wants shallow DoF, but also have the extended reach that APS-C provides.

They know APS-C is smaller and cheaper to manufacture.  The NX1 comes pretty close to FF in quality and I expect them to keep improving.

I think you are right, since 12-24mm NX Lens right, is same with 17-40mm f/4L from Canon.

And it's cheap for wide lens too.

The 85mm f/1.4 is good and low price around $700 - $750 right now.

NX1 is 15fps, noises very good.

So, I think the anwser will be no need too. But they need to make more lens. An 300mm+ lens for my birds hunting. Their 50-200mm not great. Neither they have to make something like 50-200mm f/2.8 not the 150mm, still too short range.

Banh Mi wrote:

I am a big fan of Samsung. I can tell NX Galaxy is a great toy with amazing screen.

The NX300 can beat all canon, nikon crop sensor easily and only lost to their Full Frame camera. But, how much u paid for NX300 ? I got one Brown, + 45mm f/1.8 3D for only $350 from Adorama. To beat this little toy, you have to get a full frame.

That's EXACTLY what i experienced!

I first bought an incredibly cheap nx1000 some time ago and i was literally shocked from its IQ for that price, couldnt see any difference with my pentax k5 (which sensor was really great)

I then sold it cause i was looking for a really pocketable camera (ended up with a sony rx100) and cause the nx300 was going to be released. seeing what samsung was capable of, i started waiting for the price to drop.

Then i sold all of my pentax gear to upgrade to a full frame D750 + great quality lenses, one of which the 24/70 2.8

Then i found an incredible bargain for a used nx300 + 16-50 pz and instantly it has been love.

The image quality for such a tiny combination is unbelievable.

Then i shot side by side with the D750 + 24/70 vs the nx300 + pz

3.000€ and big bulky 2 kg full frame vs 300€ tiny 500gr apsc.

Result? At low iso almost identical. i guess 9 photographers out of 10 wouldnt guess which one was each. (At high iso the d750 is awesome though)

Ended up sellling all nikon stuff for the nx1 and 16-50s!!

My phone is my pocket camera. My Samsung NX2000 with 30mm f/2 or 16-50 PZ attached is my jacket pocket camera.

I have any NX1 and both S lenses. They are great. I think Samsung will stay with APS-C for a while. If they make a FF system they will have to start all over with new lenses. I would love to see it but my personal opinion is for now Samsung will stay with aps-c. Right now new glass will work with a number of older models. Now if samsung can make n inroad into the pro photographer market.... a bets are off!

Samsung designed the nx mount to take full advantage of the apsc sensor size. Dslr apsc use a fullframe mount so lenses are never a 'perfect fit', entierely designed For the sensor. So real wide lenses (12mm became 18mm) cost much more. On the other side full frame System has a much more high cost. Bigger sensor, better lenses to take full advantage of it and more tele need.

Back to nx mount, you cannot have fullframe. This is alteady the biggest sensor possible on the mount. In fact, you alteady have an nx 'fullframe'. The nxmini (lovely) is the cropped sensor.

To get a bigger sensor Samsung will need to design a new mount.

And Sony is dropping the whole Alpha apsc in favor of the e mount, witch is similar to nx in the intent, but missing some target in the design. (as a Sony User i think that they lost the path several times in the last few years, too bad for a very good start!)

So, maybe, the future is fullframe For the pros and mirrorless apsc For the test of us.

And i guess we are going to pay less attention to the sensor and more to the engine. We do not need better iso performance, we need better in camera noise reduction to take full advantage of what we already own. We deserve customized workflow in camera.

And i think that Samsung will be the first to land there. The nx1 already put some basis For it.
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I don't think they'll do it any time soon.  They would have to fabricate the BCMOS FF  sensor and develop a new mount.  After that new FF lenses will be required.  Sony went this route but are still working on lenses it seems.  And the FF A series cams are starting to get pretty large when a FE lens is added.  But I give credit to Sony for blazing the trail.

I think the current sensor in the NX1 is a wonderful sensor and I sure would like to try a BCMOS FF sensor in some camera some day.  That would be MF quality like a Pentax 645Z I imagine.

They still need some aps/c NX lenses IMO.  A 70-200 f/2.8 NX lens would be nice.  A longer working distance macro as well.  The 16-85 f/4 & 300 f/2.8 could be welcome additions to the line up so Samsung is getting there.

Priorities....Lets see some more prime lens first.

35mm F1.4

then

23mm F1.4

Right, I wouldn't like to see them do a Sony. Build a full-frame then abandon all their better APS-C cameras.

I would rather see an NX1s with a 14 mpix sensor to challenge the A7s

BillZuhl wrote:

I don't think they'll do it any time soon. They would have to fabricate the BCMOS FF sensor and develop a new mount. After that new FF lenses will be required. Sony went this route but are still working on lenses it seems. And the FF A series cams are starting to get pretty large when a FE lens is added. But I give credit to Sony for blazing the trail.

I think the current sensor in the NX1 is a wonderful sensor and I sure would like to try a BCMOS FF sensor in some camera some day. That would be MF quality like a Pentax 645Z I imagine.

They still need some aps/c NX lenses IMO. A 70-200 f/2.8 NX lens would be nice. A longer working distance macro as well. The 16-85 f/4 & 300 f/2.8 could be welcome additions to the line up so Samsung is getting there.

The 50-150mm S lenses with the APS-C crop factor is equal to a 77-231mm on 35mm FF. That S lens is significantly smaller than the Nikon 70-200mm G lenses.

mordor_74 wrote:

Samsung designed the nx mount to take full advantage of the apsc sensor size.

Yes. Full frame is not the optimal sensor size, because the lenses for smaller sensors can have much more quality at the same size. Also Full Frame is not useful on NX, because the mount diameter is smaller than Full frame, so the light path would have to be widened after the mount, what is nonsense in digital - the trend is the opposite, concentrate te same amount of light to a smaller area

Back to nx mount, you cannot have fullframe. This is alteady the biggest sensor possible on the mount.

No, APS-C is not the biggest sensor size for NX. APS-H would easily be possible ( factor 1.3 ) and I would appreciate APS-H, a professional APS H line.

I'd love aps-h as well. It would differentiate nx from everybody else and could be the sweetspot among size and performance.

It'd be interesting to know if s lenses could handle aps-h circle or not.

But then the m4/3 system has even a bigger edge in size:

http://j.mp/1ywIh0A

There is not a direct competitor. But the 35-100 is the more similar one, and as you can see is much much smaller.

Ff is to apsc as apsc is to m4/3, more or less.

I am not fully conviced of the feasibility of an aps-h sensor, not in the same plane (flange distance) of th aps-c sensor...

Anyway i am pretty shure that nx lenses will not work as good as they do with an aps-c sensor....

Raw Jaw wrote:

Well, my first thought is 'Who needs FF today?'

Many Still Pros rely on Flash making the FF High ISO advantage not so important as many suggest on this forum.

Just Google 'Photographer Jobs / Wanted' , all the studios will indicate you must have flash/off camera/multiple flash experience.

Imo, Still People Photographers, weddings/events/photojournalism, etc. can get by with APS-C (especially the sensor in the NX1). I am not including Sports in this mainly due to a lack of lenes.

Now, you have to consider the Videographer's requirements of which I am still learning as an adaptable Still photographer going Video. The question is do Pro Videographers need FF to benefit from the high ISO available from FF?

My answer is 'No'. Almost every studio shots video with a Pro Camcorder.

Some studios are using DSLR's for video out of the convenience, when lighting is good.

All of this suggests to me there is not enough of a market for Samsung to enter the FF arena. Capitalizing lens manufacturing would be prohibitive and very risky in the face of current competition, never mind R&D for the camera and sensor.

I think Samsung chose ASP-C as their playing field when they stated their mission was to lead the marketplace.

They did not climb to the top of the 'Sensor Size' mountain.

They went 'half' way and will cater to those just starting to go up the mountain and to those coming down from the peak.

Samsung, imo, has no intention, ever, of going FF.

The NX1 images at ISO100, 200 and 400 is are clean and often more detailed than most FF images I've seen.   Like you mentioned, pros work very hard to control and adjust the lighting with flashes and everyone I know would rather shoot at ISO 400 then ISO 1600.   The last time I was at the beach there was a lady doing a photo shoot and she had numerous reflectors and some flashes despite it being a sunny day.

I agree, Samsung picked APS-C because it is the sweet spot.  They can make it do nearly everything a FF sensor can do but at a lower cost, smaller form factor, with smaller lenses, and with faster performance (I've read larger sensors take longer to send data to the camera which means slower FPS and more rolling shutter).