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Canon sx710 new review

Started Jan 27, 2015 | Discussions
Ken53 Senior Member • Posts: 2,270
Re: Age old disscussion

Steen Bay wrote:

To take advantage of such high MP counts I think that not only better, but also faster lenses are needed. Faster lenses (especially at the long end), with less diffraction, that are sharp wide open.

I couldn't agree more. Steen.

We will see these things improve, as long as the buyers show a willingness to selectively embrace the leading edge   Unfortunately the votes with currency, sends the message that Smart Phones are what's important to the masses.

Ken

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skyform Regular Member • Posts: 257
Re: Canon sx710 new review
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DUTCH van Atlanta wrote:

4everAnoob wrote:

Personally, Im still not decided on HX50/HX60 vs SX700 as an upgrade over my SX230. I think any newer superzoom will probably have worse IQ than my SX230.

As the owner of an SX230HS and an SX700HS, I can tell you from first hand experience that the SX230HS has a better IQ. However, that 30X optical zoom is a very nice feature of the SC700HS.

At full zoom on the 230 and an equivalent zoom on the 700, there is a significantly better IQ with the 230 - especially when viewed at 100%. Disappointing.

I compared the SX210 with SX270 and SX270 with 12MP was softer and had less detail at every length than the SX210 with 14MP. Picture quality seems to get worse with the superzoom compact cameras, they only seem to get better at speed, more zoom and more features.

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NG Resonance Forum Member • Posts: 55
Re: Canon sx710 new review

skyform wrote:

DUTCH van Atlanta wrote:

4everAnoob wrote:

Personally, Im still not decided on HX50/HX60 vs SX700 as an upgrade over my SX230. I think any newer superzoom will probably have worse IQ than my SX230.

As the owner of an SX230HS and an SX700HS, I can tell you from first hand experience that the SX230HS has a better IQ. However, that 30X optical zoom is a very nice feature of the SC700HS.

At full zoom on the 230 and an equivalent zoom on the 700, there is a significantly better IQ with the 230 - especially when viewed at 100%. Disappointing.

I compared the SX210 with SX270 and SX270 with 12MP was softer and had less detail at every length than the SX210 with 14MP. Picture quality seems to get worse with the superzoom compact cameras, they only seem to get better at speed, more zoom and more features.

As someone who witnessed this phenomenon going from a Panasonic TZ5 to a Canon SX280, could this be in part due to more aggressive noise reduction in newer models? The TZ5 from 2009 could retain more detail, but it also retained more noise... (much more, in certain cases).

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DS21 Senior Member • Posts: 2,447
Re: Canon sx710 new review

brianj wrote:

LionelA wrote:

brianj wrote:

DUTCH van Atlanta wrote:

4everAnoob wrote:

Personally, Im still not decided on HX50/HX60 vs SX700 as an upgrade over my SX230. I think any newer superzoom will probably have worse IQ than my SX230.

As the owner of an SX230HS and an SX700HS, I can tell you from first hand experience that the SX230HS has a better IQ. However, that 30X optical zoom is a very nice feature of the SC700HS.

At full zoom on the 230 and an equivalent zoom on the 700, there is a significantly better IQ with the 230 - especially when viewed at 100%. Disappointing.

My friend owns a SX230 and a SX700 and said the same thing, the SX230 is much better, and we put that down to the fact that it has the 12mp sensor. But the question is, if you view the 230 and 700 image at the same size, do they then look about the same quality.

I have a IXUS255 (12mp) and just bought a SX600 (16mp) and the IXUS is better, but when viewed at the same screen viewing size then it is not so apparent.

Brian

So even in good daylight the 12mp SX230 looks better then the 20mp SX700 at 100%?

in 2014 canon jumped back in the high mp bandwagon

I am needing to know whether the owners compared the two cameras output at the same viewing size, its no use blowing them both up to 100% because they will be different sizes. The increased noise of a higher mp sensor will be reduced when the viewing size is made the same smaller size as a lower mp sensor, that is the only real way to compare.

Brian

It is no use increasing the number of MP, and pixel level noise, only to view them at lower MP size, to have this pixel level noise less visible. The typical superzoom optics can resolve 8 MP of information at best (usually less), so all we have really gained is the file size. There is a reason G16 with a larger sensor still has only 12 MP. Canon has lost its best advantage in regular point and shoot market, lower MP count and correspondingly higher IQ. When the SX60 was introduced, I asked the Canon reps why they increased the MP count, they said "we improved the camera this way", I said it will backfire, and the reactions of most users "upgrading" to SX60 from SX50 shows their strategy did not work. And now they are up to 20 MP.

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brianj Forum Pro • Posts: 14,657
Re: Canon sx710 new review

DS21 wrote:

brianj wrote:

LionelA wrote:

brianj wrote:

DUTCH van Atlanta wrote:

4everAnoob wrote:

Personally, Im still not decided on HX50/HX60 vs SX700 as an upgrade over my SX230. I think any newer superzoom will probably have worse IQ than my SX230.

As the owner of an SX230HS and an SX700HS, I can tell you from first hand experience that the SX230HS has a better IQ. However, that 30X optical zoom is a very nice feature of the SC700HS.

At full zoom on the 230 and an equivalent zoom on the 700, there is a significantly better IQ with the 230 - especially when viewed at 100%. Disappointing.

My friend owns a SX230 and a SX700 and said the same thing, the SX230 is much better, and we put that down to the fact that it has the 12mp sensor. But the question is, if you view the 230 and 700 image at the same size, do they then look about the same quality.

I have a IXUS255 (12mp) and just bought a SX600 (16mp) and the IXUS is better, but when viewed at the same screen viewing size then it is not so apparent.

Brian

So even in good daylight the 12mp SX230 looks better then the 20mp SX700 at 100%?

in 2014 canon jumped back in the high mp bandwagon

I am needing to know whether the owners compared the two cameras output at the same viewing size, its no use blowing them both up to 100% because they will be different sizes. The increased noise of a higher mp sensor will be reduced when the viewing size is made the same smaller size as a lower mp sensor, that is the only real way to compare.

Brian

It is no use increasing the number of MP, and pixel level noise, only to view them at lower MP size, to have this pixel level noise less visible. The typical superzoom optics can resolve 8 MP of information at best (usually less), so all we have really gained is the file size. There is a reason G16 with a larger sensor still has only 12 MP. Canon has lost its best advantage in regular point and shoot market, lower MP count and correspondingly higher IQ. When the SX60 was introduced, I asked the Canon reps why they increased the MP count, they said "we improved the camera this way", I said it will backfire, and the reactions of most users "upgrading" to SX60 from SX50 shows their strategy did not work. And now they are up to 20 MP.

Yes, I agree completely, but because we cannot stop canon from increasing the mp then we must accept this or buy different camera.  My point is that it can be accepted if we are willing to view at the same size, and ignore that the extra mp weren't needed in the first place.  My other elph330 are 12mp and it was fantastic, I think canon have given in to market pressure.

Brian

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4everAnoob Regular Member • Posts: 299
Re: Canon sx710 new review

ISO 800 and above, the results will be the other way round, due to BSI CMOS > CCD

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skyform Regular Member • Posts: 257
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4everAnoob wrote:

ISO 800 and above, the results will be the other way round, due to BSI CMOS > CCD

Not really SX270 didn't look any better up to ISO 800 in fact ISO 200 and 400 looked worse more smeared and ISO 1600 is imo already useless on this kind of cameras.

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