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A new rebel is coming. How will it be better than the last?

Started Jan 17, 2015 | Discussions
macky patalinghug Senior Member • Posts: 1,223
A new rebel is coming. How will it be better than the last?

My fascination with the Canon rebel series at this point might be more emotional than practical. After all I have had the 350D (bought 3 used copies at different times), 450D (bought one used, one new, at different times), 500D, 550D and the 600D.

I don’t think I’ll be buying a rebel anytime soon but news about a new iteration always gets my curiosity. What improvements, if any, from the past model, do you think it will have?

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jrkliny
jrkliny Veteran Member • Posts: 4,887
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Unless it has an updated sensor in the range of 24 mp, I would not be interested.  I want better image quality including resolution, dynamic range and low noise at high ISO.  I have not seen any significant improvements or reasons to upgrade in the past 5 years or so.  I have no idea what Canon is doing but without significant improvements, there seems no reason for us long time users to buy new gear.

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Digirame Forum Pro • Posts: 41,857
Re: A new rebel is coming. How will it be better than the last?

When it comes, I think it will have the same image quality as the Canon 70D with approximately 20 megapixels and ISO capability etc. (but most likely without all of the extra features).  But I don't think it will be enough for me to upgrade, but we'll wait and see.  Technology changes rapidly and we can only hope for some new surprises.

justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,718
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Perhaps (a guess) a new Hybrid CMOS AF III. A small, incremental, upgrade seems to be the most likely.

jrkliny
jrkliny Veteran Member • Posts: 4,887
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Digirame wrote:

...... Technology changes rapidly and we can only hope for some new surprises.

I used to believe that, but it seems that all of the DSLR manufacturers are making slow progress with Canon if anything tailing the bunch.

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Digirame Forum Pro • Posts: 41,857
Re: A new rebel is coming. How will it be better than the last?

Yes, they are making slow progress.  I guess that's where I find my new telephoto lens exciting (where I can use up to 600mm focal length), where the body upgrades are not advancing far enough.

CSPoole
CSPoole Regular Member • Posts: 419
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Will have some changes.

From Canon Rumors:

http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/01/canon-shows-off-a-new-dslr/

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CSPoole

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Steve-P
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The fact it has an upper screen makes me think it might be an 80D or 6D Mark II.

Steve

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crashpc Veteran Member • Posts: 7,240
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I'm also waiting for newer sensor, otherwise I buy nothing.

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jbcohen Senior Member • Posts: 1,241
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I have a Digital Rebel XT and  I am thinking about upgrading to the newest Canon EOS Rebel that is being talked about here.  Any comments advice on this matter?  I am also considering the Canon EOS 70D as well.

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BarnET Veteran Member • Posts: 3,581
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WSteveP wrote:

The fact it has an upper screen makes me think it might be an 80D or 6D Mark II.

The lens looks like a 18-135mm is STM

Which means Apsc. including the top lcd i think it's a 80d indeed.

Bummer to be honest. SInce that's the only Canon still worth buying.

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crashpc Veteran Member • Posts: 7,240
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We can only comment, but we cannot give you any advice about this camera. Nobody knows wbat is it, what hardware is mounted, what is the performance.If it has touch screen, more focus points, shoots 6,5 FPS, and has newly developed 24-32Mpx sensor, I'd say go for it...

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it has  rear dial  similar to 70d from the back but less buttons also its to early to the new 80D !

maybe its new series between 700d and 70d  or the new 750 will have new design with rear dial

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quiquae Senior Member • Posts: 2,265
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jrkliny wrote:

Unless it has an updated sensor in the range of 24 mp, I would not be interested. I want better image quality including resolution, dynamic range and low noise at high ISO. I have not seen any significant improvements or reasons to upgrade in the past 5 years or so. I have no idea what Canon is doing but without significant improvements, there seems no reason for us long time users to buy new gear.

You want a sensor that beats Canon's APS-C flagship that just came out a few months ago...on a Rebel, of all things? Would you also like a pink unicorn with that?

This one will either have a 70D sensor derivative if Canon has finally solved the yield issue, or a T5i sensor derivative if they haven't. Expecting anything else is setting yourself up for a disappointment.

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Potemkin_Photo Senior Member • Posts: 1,920
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quiquae wrote:

jrkliny wrote:

Unless it has an updated sensor in the range of 24 mp, I would not be interested. I want better image quality including resolution, dynamic range and low noise at high ISO. I have not seen any significant improvements or reasons to upgrade in the past 5 years or so. I have no idea what Canon is doing but without significant improvements, there seems no reason for us long time users to buy new gear.

You want a sensor that beats Canon's APS-C flagship that just came out a few months ago...on a Rebel, of all things? Would you also like a pink unicorn with that?

This one will either have a 70D sensor derivative if Canon has finally solved the yield issue, or a T5i sensor derivative if they haven't. Expecting anything else is setting yourself up for a disappointment.

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crashpc Veteran Member • Posts: 7,240
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quiquae wrote:

jrkliny wrote:

Unless it has an updated sensor in the range of 24 mp, I would not be interested. I want better image quality including resolution, dynamic range and low noise at high ISO. I have not seen any significant improvements or reasons to upgrade in the past 5 years or so. I have no idea what Canon is doing but without significant improvements, there seems no reason for us long time users to buy new gear.

You want a sensor that beats Canon's APS-C flagship that just came out a few months ago...on a Rebel, of all things? Would you also like a pink unicorn with that?

This one will either have a 70D sensor derivative if Canon has finally solved the yield issue, or a T5i sensor derivative if they haven't. Expecting anything else is setting yourself up for a disappointment.

It will only beat the flagship in certain aspects a little bit for people who can user it, and it will totally loose in many others. There are reasons, that action camera doesn´t need great DR at base ISO, and it doesn´t need to be highest resolution. And I agree. And while they put already old sensor in the flagship, I pretty expect they put better one in another camera, and just cripple AF, handling and other stuff. It´s pretty healthy to do. Anyway I will not buy any other Canon cam with this 20Mpx sensor anyway. They won´t get me for the same sensor. And not only me...

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WSteveP wrote:

The fact it has an upper screen makes me think it might be an 80D or 6D Mark II.

Steve

No dedicated AF-ON button and rear dial (if that is indeed a dial) only appears to house a 4-way D-pad.  Definitely NOT a 70D successor.

Canon has been steadily pushing higher tier features into Rebel line:  all cross-type AF points, wireless flash control, burst speed, etc.   It stands to reason that next Rebel might see a shoulder LCD and a second dial.

Lets get real: despite all the anguished screams on these forums complaining that Canon sensors only marginally outstrip stone tablets, pros and consumers alike are using Canon DSLRs all over the world and get excellent images.   IMHO, what really distinguishes a DSLR body these days is usability and ergonomics.   A shoulder LCD that conserves battery and is highly readable in bright daylight is going to be of far more practical use to 99.99% of buyers than an extra DR stop.

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scorrpio wrote:

WSteveP wrote:

The fact it has an upper screen makes me think it might be an 80D or 6D Mark II.

Steve

No dedicated AF-ON button and rear dial (if that is indeed a dial) only appears to house a 4-way D-pad. Definitely NOT a 70D successor.

Canon has been steadily pushing higher tier features into Rebel line: all cross-type AF points, wireless flash control, burst speed, etc. It stands to reason that next Rebel might see a shoulder LCD and a second dial.

Lets get real: despite all the anguished screams on these forums complaining that Canon sensors only marginally outstrip stone tablets, pros and consumers alike are using Canon DSLRs all over the world and get excellent images. IMHO, what really distinguishes a DSLR body these days is usability and ergonomics. A shoulder LCD that conserves battery and is highly readable in bright daylight is going to be of far more practical use to 99.99% of buyers than an extra DR stop.

Let me just say that my guess was only that, a guess and I can't disagree with anything you've written above.

If it is indeed a new Rebel then I'm sure many of us will be very pleased.  It will be a while before I update my T4i to a newer model, but any and all improvements are welcomed none the less.

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