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new XA2: what good is a selfie screen with no touchscreen.

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Blackdog68 Regular Member • Posts: 481
new XA2: what good is a selfie screen with no touchscreen.
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Why no touchscreen??   What good is flipping the screen if you can't move the AF point??  At least not without some blind fumbling at the 4 way controller.  I guess it's just for framing purposes and you're supposed to depend on face detect or auto detect mode, but Fuji really needs to add the touch option, especially to this level camera with no EVF.

I have and XA1 and it's a great little camera.  I used to have an Oly EPL5 which could swing its screen up like the new XA2, but you could enable the touch screen and I have quite a few shots of me with my children where they get a kick out of touching the screen to take the shot, and the smiles are great.  I find that the XA1 face detect works pretty good and I can blindly take the same type of shots using either the 14 or my samyang 8mm, and I guess for framing purposes, this is an improvement, but add touch to this mix and it's a vastly improved user experience.  This is an intro level camera, and people today expect touch screens.  They can always be disabled for those who don't like them, but this is an unfortunate mistake on Fuji's part IMO.

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The X-A2 is a strange "new" camera. Same sensor? That screen is actually worst than X-A1 one. I think is everything about low the price but they miss the point with no touch screen.

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Mirfak Senior Member • Posts: 1,485
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Blackdog68 wrote:

Why no touchscreen?? What good is flipping the screen if you can't move the AF point?? At least not without some blind fumbling at the 4 way controller. I guess it's just for framing purposes and you're supposed to depend on face detect or auto detect mode, but Fuji really needs to add the touch option, especially to this level camera with no EVF.

I have and XA1 and it's a great little camera. I used to have an Oly EPL5 which could swing its screen up like the new XA2, but you could enable the touch screen and I have quite a few shots of me with my children where they get a kick out of touching the screen to take the shot, and the smiles are great. I find that the XA1 face detect works pretty good and I can blindly take the same type of shots using either the 14 or my samyang 8mm, and I guess for framing purposes, this is an improvement, but add touch to this mix and it's a vastly improved user experience. This is an intro level camera, and people today expect touch screens. They can always be disabled for those who don't like them, but this is an unfortunate mistake on Fuji's part IMO.

Compared to the X-A1, what's good about anything on the X-A2? If I want to take selfies, I'll use my smartphone - the ugly need not apply. Face recognition/eye recognition is useless if the camera doesn't resort to a standard AF mode when a face or eye isn't detected.

Only good thing I see on the surface is that the useless macro button on the 4-way control is gone. If Fuji believes that they're going to sell any more of these than the X-A1, they're dreaming in FujiColor.

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D200_4me Veteran Member • Posts: 4,919
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It has wifi...so you can flip the screen up and use your phone to set the focus point, etc. Flippy screen could be useful for people making videos like YouTube reviews and so on. Nice if you can see yourself while recording.

Touch screen would be welcome in all cameras.

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BPD7 Regular Member • Posts: 423
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Mirfak wrote:

Compared to the X-A1, what's good about anything on the X-A2? If I want to take selfies, I'll use my smartphone - the ugly need not apply. Face recognition/eye recognition is useless if the camera doesn't resort to a standard AF mode when a face or eye isn't detected.

Only good thing I see on the surface is that the useless macro button on the 4-way control is gone. If Fuji believes that they're going to sell any more of these than the X-A1, they're dreaming in FujiColor.

I AGREE

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BPD7 Regular Member • Posts: 423
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D200_4me wrote:

It has wifi...so you can flip the screen up and use your phone to set the focus point, etc. Flippy screen could be useful for people making videos like YouTube reviews and so on. Nice if you can see yourself while recording.

Touch screen would be welcome in all cameras.

So is it confirmed the Fuji Remote App will work with the X-A2? If so then that's not bad at all.

Wish my X-A1 had that feature. But I have my X-E2 for that

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The updates are pathetic, really wanted to see wireless control as well better movie options. Not sure how good is the new AF, but that's the only welcome improvement. Although, it looks like the speed of the camera hasn't changed. X-A1 that you can pick up for $300 is a better deal.

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I would hope so.  All I saw was that it has wifi capabilities so it would be in their best interest to make it work with their remote app.

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Mirfak Senior Member • Posts: 1,485
Re: this is more like X-A1 Rev 2
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DanK♂ FP6900 wrote:

The updates are pathetic, really wanted to see wireless control as well better movie options. Not sure how good is the new AF, but that's the only welcome improvement. Although, it looks like the speed of the camera hasn't changed. X-A1 that you can pick up for $300 is a better deal.

The A1 is absolutely a better deal for $250 less. I wouldn't expect the AF to be much better without on-chip PDAF.

Mirfak Senior Member • Posts: 1,485
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BPD7 wrote:

D200_4me wrote:

It has wifi...so you can flip the screen up and use your phone to set the focus point, etc. Flippy screen could be useful for people making videos like YouTube reviews and so on. Nice if you can see yourself while recording.

Touch screen would be welcome in all cameras.

So is it confirmed the Fuji Remote App will work with the X-A2? If so then that's not bad at all.

Wish my X-A1 had that feature. But I have my X-E2 for that

No. He's wrong. He's making an assumption that because it has WiFi, it supports remote control. Obviously not an X-A1 user. Given the paltry list of new features, Fuji would definitely have hyped up this feature if it existed.

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I guess I should add....for $550, what do you expect?  That's high end point and shoot pricing territory and this would give far, far better image quality than any point and shoot.  Once we start debating all these features it needs to have, we have to honestly move on to looking at the higher priced full featured models.  I would never expect too much from a camera that costs $550 WITH a descent lens.  You may as well save a little more and buy an X-T1 or some other brand/model that's in the higher categories.  The X-A2 isn't meant to be too much more than a small camera with great image quality.

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Blackdog68 wrote:

Why no touchscreen?? What good is flipping the screen if you can't move the AF point?? At least not without some blind fumbling at the 4 way controller. I guess it's just for framing purposes and you're supposed to depend on face detect or auto detect mode, but Fuji really needs to add the touch option, especially to this level camera with no EVF.

I have and XA1 and it's a great little camera. I used to have an Oly EPL5 which could swing its screen up like the new XA2, but you could enable the touch screen and I have quite a few shots of me with my children where they get a kick out of touching the screen to take the shot, and the smiles are great. I find that the XA1 face detect works pretty good and I can blindly take the same type of shots using either the 14 or my samyang 8mm, and I guess for framing purposes, this is an improvement, but add touch to this mix and it's a vastly improved user experience. This is an intro level camera, and people today expect touch screens. They can always be disabled for those who don't like them, but this is an unfortunate mistake on Fuji's part IMO.

Please, just buy a smart phone.

OP Blackdog68 Regular Member • Posts: 481
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D200_4me wrote:

I guess I should add....for $550, what do you expect? That's high end point and shoot pricing territory and this would give far, far better image quality than any point and shoot. Once we start debating all these features it needs to have, we have to honestly move on to looking at the higher priced full featured models. I would never expect too much from a camera that costs $550 WITH a descent lens. You may as well save a little more and buy an X-T1 or some other brand/model that's in the higher categories. The X-A2 isn't meant to be too much more than a small camera with great image quality.

You can get a Sony a6000 for $550 right now, and if you'd ordered before Xmas, you could have got it with the lens. that camera inexplicably doesn't offer a touch screen either, but it is certainly a higher end camera at a similar price point.

I am currently all in with Fuji. Started with the XA1 as a complement, then tried the XT1and sold my Nikon gear and now have picked up a used x100s as well.  I love the files, and I want to see this company succeed for purely selfish reasons.  Not having a touch screen is not going to help attract new users.  Plus, I was surprised at how much I used it on the EPL5.

OP Blackdog68 Regular Member • Posts: 481
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Dukhat wrote:

Blackdog68 wrote:

Why no touchscreen?? What good is flipping the screen if you can't move the AF point?? At least not without some blind fumbling at the 4 way controller. I guess it's just for framing purposes and you're supposed to depend on face detect or auto detect mode, but Fuji really needs to add the touch option, especially to this level camera with no EVF.

I have and XA1 and it's a great little camera. I used to have an Oly EPL5 which could swing its screen up like the new XA2, but you could enable the touch screen and I have quite a few shots of me with my children where they get a kick out of touching the screen to take the shot, and the smiles are great. I find that the XA1 face detect works pretty good and I can blindly take the same type of shots using either the 14 or my samyang 8mm, and I guess for framing purposes, this is an improvement, but add touch to this mix and it's a vastly improved user experience. This is an intro level camera, and people today expect touch screens. They can always be disabled for those who don't like them, but this is an unfortunate mistake on Fuji's part IMO.

Please, just buy a smart phone.

What's a smart phone?

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Blackdog68 wrote:

What's a smart phone?

Pretty much any cell phone out in the market today.

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OP Blackdog68 Regular Member • Posts: 481
Re: new XA2: what good is a selfie screen with no touchscreen.

BPD7 wrote:

Blackdog68 wrote:

What's a smart phone?

Pretty much any cell phone out in the market today.

I should have added some sort of emoticon.  Sorry for the confusion BPD7, but my response was really just nonsense directed at that snarky teenager.

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Dukhat Veteran Member • Posts: 3,810
Re: new XA2: what good is a selfie screen with no touchscreen.

Blackdog68 wrote:

BPD7 wrote:

Blackdog68 wrote:

What's a smart phone?

Pretty much any cell phone out in the market today.

I should have added some sort of emoticon. Sorry for the confusion BPD7, but my response was really just nonsense directed at that snarky teenager.

Do you always bite people for trying to give you advice when you ask for advice?

OP Blackdog68 Regular Member • Posts: 481
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I did not ask for advice.  Your comment showed no connection to what I posted. It was a simply dismissive.  Why do you think Fuji has decided not to offer touch screens and do you think a touch screen might help sales of this camera?

Mirfak Senior Member • Posts: 1,485
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Blackdog68 wrote:

I did not ask for advice. Your comment showed no connection to what I posted. It was a simply dismissive. Why do you think Fuji has decided not to offer touch screens and do you think a touch screen might help sales of this camera?

Absolutely.

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