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Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

Started Jan 15, 2015 | Discussions
Termophilus New Member • Posts: 2
Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

Hi,

I bought this very cute camera and I'm starting to do some videos with it. For what concern quality I'm quite happy with the results, but to squeeze every little bit of quality there should be a way to change the profile color to a flat ones, and for what I know that is not implemented yet.

I've also this cute new lens, and I'm also very pleased with what it can do, however there is some sensible flickering while zooming in and out, and with every setting I tried, I coulnd't get rid of it. It seems that the camera cant cope with sudden changes of light, so it can be used realtime.

I think that Samsung can do best to improve his firmware for what concer serious videomaking, but if anyone knows something how to improve the previous situations I will gladly enjoy to hear them!

Maybe there should be a little community growing around the NX300, to start developing attention and ask implementations and tweaking for serious videomaking.

Thanks a lot for attention!

Emanuel

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OrdinarilyInordinate
OrdinarilyInordinate Veteran Member • Posts: 3,741
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?
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I think you should define "serious". You can be serious about getting the best out of inexpensive equipment, or you can be "serious" about doing your best about perfecting your technique, or you can be "serious" in the sense that you get paid for your videos and need to provide material that is above a certain standard.  I think you mean the first two, but still, it's not a video camera--it's a stills camera first with video on the side.

In the meantime, you should be aware of the NX300 video codec quality issue:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3772908

You won't notice this in most regular videos where you walk around and your objects move around, but stationary objects or very low contrast objects might be an issue.

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OP Termophilus New Member • Posts: 2
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

Well thanks a lot for posting that thread, its another interesting hint that something is not working at full potential here. Obviously if I was paid for my videos I will have bought something better

I hope that, for what its realistically possible (or should I say possible for marketing rules), Samsung can do its best to upgrade and fix video issues, or lacking support from the motherhouse, that something will emerge like Magic Lantern for Canon.

The only thing we can do for now its writing at Samsung support I suppose? Its not so much to make them hear user needs, issues and improvements. Samsung support should certainly do better to became really "serious" in this field.

Ezigrego New Member • Posts: 7
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

There is a way to use the nx300/nx300m with flat color profile... You must use the picture wizard profile set to custom and ''bump'' down both saturation and contrast...

zipcode Regular Member • Posts: 312
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?
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I have always wondered if this technique about lowering contrast actually gives you advantages.

After all, a real 'flat' profile (log) just looks like that because it is not made to be showed properly out of the box on normal display devices. Not sure if emulating the displayed 'look' actually achieves an advantage (also messing with contrast can lead to even more banding problems).

About the nx300, it could make a very decent video camera if anyone hacked the maximum bitrate and maybe the encoding settings (like beforementioned lack of cabac). Currently it is ridiculously bitrate starved (I had it).

flip 21
flip 21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,439
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

Serious video but crappy audio.

Samsung NX cameras could be great cameras for video. But they don't really care about video, that's why their cameras don't even have a dedicated video mode... I'm tiered of trying to shoot video with the Nx300... great image quality, but due to stupid details, it is a pain in the butt to use...

And don't count on future firmware updates. It will not gonna happen... unfortunately...

ceonupe Forum Member • Posts: 54
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

flip 21 wrote:

Serious video but crappy audio.

Samsung NX cameras could be great cameras for video. But they don't really care about video, that's why their cameras don't even have a dedicated video mode... I'm tiered of trying to shoot video with the Nx300... great image quality, but due to stupid details, it is a pain in the butt to use...

And don't count on future firmware updates. It will not gonna happen... unfortunately...

why would you care about firmware. You yourself don't want to use it on your nx30. Why would somone want to shoot pro video on a nx300 does not seem to be the right tool for that. But if you are a consumer or even prosumer shooting a kids birthday party and you want to record some great 4k video of the birthday song or celebration the nx500 is great. Heck even the nx300 you mention would work great. and your nx30 would do a good job even tho its much bigger than the NX300/500.

And dollar for dollar the NX-1 was the best option for 4k video in a hybrid for a while. And for many it still is. All of your post here lately seem to have a visceral disdain for samsung. We get it you feel abandoned. Heck we all feel that way to an extent.

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flip 21
flip 21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,439
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

Sorry but I wasn't talking about the NX1 of course. Don't get me wrong. I'm just mad, that it took so much for Sumsung to came up with the almost right camera for video, that when they got it, it was too expensive, and they left the market. As we know, we all stucked to the NX1 firmware. Is a pain in the butt to convert H265 to H264. This was something we should expect to be fixed in later firmware versions... Also a fully articulated 180 screen would be nice....

My problem is with the fact, that they could also do excelent cameras for video in the past, if they just listen to their consumers, doing minor changes on their older camera's firmware... Sorry, but I come from video. I'm used to have good, easy to use, and cheap videocamcorders, that record perfect audio, and don't crop their image, when we start taking video, since 2004...

Kisaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,300
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?
  1. flip 21 wrote:

Sorry but I wasn't talking about the NX1 of course. Don't get me wrong. I'm just mad, that it took so much for Sumsung to came up with the almost right camera for video, that when they got it, it was too expensive, and they left the market. As we know, we all stucked to the NX1 firmware. Is a pain in the butt to convert H265 to H264. This was something we should expect to be fixed in later firmware versions... Also a fully articulated 180 screen would be nice....

My problem is with the fact, that they could also do excelent cameras for video in the past, if they just listen to their consumers, doing minor changes on their older camera's firmware... Sorry, but I come from video. I'm used to have good, easy to use, and cheap videocamcorders, that record perfect audio, and don't crop their image, when we start taking video, since 2004...

You can keep using those cameras then. They are very cheap to buy as well. Win win!

flip 21
flip 21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,439
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

I love them.... I'm just sad, ecause NX1 be perfect video cameras on most ocasions. Why so many software bugs?

I guess Samsung smartphones don't have so many software bugs, as their cameras, right?

flip 21
flip 21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,439
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

Kisaha wrote:

  1. flip 21 wrote:

Sorry but I wasn't talking about the NX1 of course. Don't get me wrong. I'm just mad, that it took so much for Sumsung to came up with the almost right camera for video, that when they got it, it was too expensive, and they left the market. As we know, we all stucked to the NX1 firmware. Is a pain in the butt to convert H265 to H264. This was something we should expect to be fixed in later firmware versions... Also a fully articulated 180 screen would be nice....

My problem is with the fact, that they could also do excelent cameras for video in the past, if they just listen to their consumers, doing minor changes on their older camera's firmware... Sorry, but I come from video. I'm used to have good, easy to use, and cheap videocamcorders, that record perfect audio, and don't crop their image, when we start taking video, since 2004...

You can keep using those cameras then. They are very cheap to buy as well. Win win!

No Way, they have Small sensors, and are very bad in low light. If they had bigger sensor, I would definetely still buy them.... Everybody is changing to mirrorless/DSLR cameras for video, but we all know they aren't perfect... but is takig too much time...

Kisaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,300
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

flip 21 wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

  1. flip 21 wrote:

Sorry but I wasn't talking about the NX1 of course. Don't get me wrong. I'm just mad, that it took so much for Sumsung to came up with the almost right camera for video, that when they got it, it was too expensive, and they left the market. As we know, we all stucked to the NX1 firmware. Is a pain in the butt to convert H265 to H264. This was something we should expect to be fixed in later firmware versions... Also a fully articulated 180 screen would be nice....

My problem is with the fact, that they could also do excelent cameras for video in the past, if they just listen to their consumers, doing minor changes on their older camera's firmware... Sorry, but I come from video. I'm used to have good, easy to use, and cheap videocamcorders, that record perfect audio, and don't crop their image, when we start taking video, since 2004...

You can keep using those cameras then. They are very cheap to buy as well. Win win!

No Way, they have Small sensors, and are very bad in low light. If they had bigger sensor, I would definetely still buy them.... Everybody is changing to mirrorless/DSLR cameras for video, but we all know they aren't perfect... but is takig too much time...

There is the JVC LS300, Canon C100, a handful of Sony's, and a few Black Magic cameras to choose from.

So your previous statement about 2004 cameras was false. They weren't that good, because if they were you would still use them. The sound capabilities are exactly the same, video wasn't a 2004 invention, and now you have a 499€ 4K camera (NX500), while back then you needed at least 1500€ for an ok standard definition (PAL) camcorder.

Please stop complaining, and enjoy what this age has to offer.

Krazyheaven Regular Member • Posts: 411
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

I don't understand why someone could not use the nx300 to make a video. If going pro at the very least a demo should be possible. My uncle made almost 100k off a gh2 movie he put together himself. I'm sure it was a lot of work but overall be enjoyed it. Took awhile for it to get into places like red box. I think he gambled out the money but whatever. Sadly the money flow for him ended shortly after it found its way onto youtube. But he isn't even mad. He made more than he expected and now he's working on his second movie.

Kisaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,300
Re: Samsung NX300M + 16-50mm PZ = serious videomaking?

Krazyheaven wrote:

I don't understand why someone could not use the nx300 to make a video. If going pro at the very least a demo should be possible. My uncle made almost 100k off a gh2 movie he put together himself. I'm sure it was a lot of work but overall be enjoyed it. Took awhile for it to get into places like red box. I think he gambled out the money but whatever. Sadly the money flow for him ended shortly after it found its way onto youtube. But he isn't even mad. He made more than he expected and now he's working on his second movie.

You can produce a "movie" with any device that can capture any image (pinhole cameras, super 8, camera phones, usb cameras etc).

GH2 is a better video camera than NX300 though. What is the movie you did mention? I would like to take a look if possible, even a trailer would be ok.

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