The 24 1.4G is just incredible...check this!

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starman1969
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Re: The 24 1.4G is just incredible...check this!

Nice pic. Any chance you could post an image which exploits the bokeh potential of the lens?

A very close up portrait at f/1.4 ?

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Lance B
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Re: The 24 1.4G is just incredible...check this!
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Rick_Hunter wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Rick_Hunter wrote:

Very, very good? Yes! Incredible? No, if you consider its price tag and the fact that the picture was shot at F8. For example my Zeiss 35/2 is at least as sharp by F/5.6... and it costs nearly half.

Yes, but it's 35mm and f2 not 24mm and f1.4.

Correct. What I meant is that I actually would expect such a performance from a modern 2000$ pro-grade wide angle prime stopped down to F8 at base ISO on an incredibly nice and clear summer day on a high resolution body. Conditions are all optimal so I expect great performance. And the lens delivers, indeed.

The thing is, it is much more difficult to design a 24mm f1.4 AF lens than it is to design a 35mm f2 lens that is manual focus.

The other thing to remember, the result is much better than would have been achieved with the 16-35 f4 VR and the 24-70 f2.8, so, the whole thing is justified, ie the thread, the expediture on the lens and the result.

So, I guess then, why comment in a negative fashion? I just don't think it was warranted.

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Rick_Hunter Senior Member • Posts: 1,021
Re: The 24 1.4G is just incredible...check this!
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Lance B wrote:

Rick_Hunter wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Rick_Hunter wrote:

Very, very good? Yes! Incredible? No, if you consider its price tag and the fact that the picture was shot at F8. For example my Zeiss 35/2 is at least as sharp by F/5.6... and it costs nearly half.

Yes, but it's 35mm and f2 not 24mm and f1.4.

Correct. What I meant is that I actually would expect such a performance from a modern 2000$ pro-grade wide angle prime stopped down to F8 at base ISO on an incredibly nice and clear summer day on a high resolution body. Conditions are all optimal so I expect great performance. And the lens delivers, indeed.

The thing is, it is much more difficult to design a 24mm f1.4 AF lens than it is to design a 35mm f2 lens that is manual focus.

The other thing to remember, the result is much better than would have been achieved with the 16-35 f4 VR and the 24-70 f2.8, so, the whole thing is justified, ie the thread, the expediture on the lens and the result.

So, I guess then, why comment in a negative fashion? I just don't think it was warranted.

Oh for God's sake, I have been misinterpreted. Of course the picture is super sharp! But then again, let's make a check list:

- 2000$ professional grade, fast aperture prime lens? check.

- optimal aperture of F8? check.

- optimal base iso of 100? check

- super high resolution body with wide dynamic range? check

- incredibly crystal clear summer day with perfect light? check

- interesting subject with lots of detail both in foreground and background? check

- shutter speed fast enough to avoid any motion blur? check

- careful and tasteful processing? check

If a 2000$ prime lens would not perform to this (very high) level with these conditions I'd seriously send it to Nikon to have it checked. So it's simply the term "incredible" used by the OP that I find a bit over the top. Incredible in my book is when something goes well beyond expectations. This is certainly superb performance, but not incredible, it's what (or just slightly better than) I'd expect given the conditions above. Is my point clear now?

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Lance B
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Rick_Hunter wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Rick_Hunter wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Rick_Hunter wrote:

Very, very good? Yes! Incredible? No, if you consider its price tag and the fact that the picture was shot at F8. For example my Zeiss 35/2 is at least as sharp by F/5.6... and it costs nearly half.

Yes, but it's 35mm and f2 not 24mm and f1.4.

Correct. What I meant is that I actually would expect such a performance from a modern 2000$ pro-grade wide angle prime stopped down to F8 at base ISO on an incredibly nice and clear summer day on a high resolution body. Conditions are all optimal so I expect great performance. And the lens delivers, indeed.

The thing is, it is much more difficult to design a 24mm f1.4 AF lens than it is to design a 35mm f2 lens that is manual focus.

The other thing to remember, the result is much better than would have been achieved with the 16-35 f4 VR and the 24-70 f2.8, so, the whole thing is justified, ie the thread, the expediture on the lens and the result.

So, I guess then, why comment in a negative fashion? I just don't think it was warranted.

Oh for God's sake, I have been misinterpreted. Of course the picture is super sharp! But then again, let's make a check list:

- 2000$ professional grade, fast aperture prime lens? check.

- optimal aperture of F8? check.

- optimal base iso of 100? check

- super high resolution body with wide dynamic range? check

- incredibly crystal clear summer day with perfect light? check

- interesting subject with lots of detail both in foreground and background? check

- shutter speed fast enough to avoid any motion blur? check

- careful and tasteful processing? check

If a 2000$ prime lens would not perform to this (very high) level with these conditions I'd seriously send it to Nikon to have it checked. So it's simply the term "incredible" used by the OP that I find a bit over the top. Incredible in my book is when something goes well beyond expectations. This is certainly superb performance, but not incredible, it's what (or slightly better than) I'd expect given the conditions above. Is my point clear now?

Semantics - Superb performance but not incredible. Hmm. Different strokes for different folks.

I just don't understand why you even needed to make the comment, especially a commment comparing it to a 35mm f2 manual focus lens at "half the price", which is exactly what I would think a 35mm f2 manual focus lens would cost compared to a much more difficult to design auto focus 24mm f1.4 lens.

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ImageAmateur Veteran Member • Posts: 5,067
Re: The 24 1.4G is just incredible...check this! D810 pixel density?

Nice, the thing is , while the lens must be credited for some of the excellent detail, surely the high pixel density of the D800 also deserves some of the credit, that such detial exists in the image? (the clock tower hands etc at such distance.

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@ 1.8

starman1969 wrote:

Nice pic. Any chance you could post an image which exploits the bokeh potential of the lens?

A very close up portrait at f/1.4 ?

Looking for a 1.4 example..

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OOC  Jpeg--

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Re: @ 1.4 (oops sorry this is 85mm)

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Engandiyur Regular Member • Posts: 199
Re: The 24 1.4G is just incredible...check this!

Lance B wrote:

Rick_Hunter wrote:

Very, very good? Yes! Incredible? No, if you consider its price tag and the fact that the picture was shot at F8. For example my Zeiss 35/2 is at least as sharp by F/5.6... and it costs nearly half.

Yes, but it's 35mm and f2 not 24mm and f1.4.

Ok, then if you are taking picture at f8, what is the point of a f1.4 lens?  Its application is not for this type of day light pictures but for low light photography.  Nikon is not fool to think that people will use a lens at f1.4 in day time.

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Engandiyur wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Rick_Hunter wrote:

Very, very good? Yes! Incredible? No, if you consider its price tag and the fact that the picture was shot at F8. For example my Zeiss 35/2 is at least as sharp by F/5.6... and it costs nearly half.

Yes, but it's 35mm and f2 not 24mm and f1.4.

Ok, then if you are taking picture at f8, what is the point of a f1.4 lens? Its application is not for this type of day light pictures but for low light photography. Nikon is not fool to think that people will use a lens at f1.4 in day time.

So, are you suggesting that Nikon designed the lens to only be used in low-light situations, and that one should buy a different lens for this type of photography? That a ~$2,000 lens is one-dimensional and only to be used for a certain type of photography? That such a lens shouldn't be just as spectacular at f/8 as it is at f/1.4, probably even more so?

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MartynD2oo wrote:

Taken on a trip to Zurich spring 2014 (view original size)

@ F8

Please tell me why on earth Nikon makes a f1.4 lens if it was meant to use at f8.  Dear friend, this lens' application is not for this type of broad day light pictures but for low light photography (night sky or interiors of museum etc.).  Nikon is not fool to make a f1.4 lens when they know that nobody is going to use an aperture of f1.4 in a day time.

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I guess they must have put those aperture blades in there by mistake then.

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Engandiyur wrote:

MartynD2oo wrote:

Taken on a trip to Zurich spring 2014 (view original size)

@ F8

Please tell me why on earth Nikon makes a f1.4 lens if it was meant to use at f8. Dear friend, this lens' application is not for this type of broad day light pictures but for low light photography (night sky or interiors of museum etc.). Nikon is not fool to make a f1.4 lens when they know that nobody is going to use an aperture of f1.4 in a day time.

Please tell me this is a joke?

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antonoat Veteran Member • Posts: 3,786
It's obvious to me......

Why you are so impressed with this image, if I tried the same with my 24-70 and d800e the results wouldn't be anywhere near as impressive.

Thanks for sharing the fine photo.

cheers

tony

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antonoat wrote:

Why you are so impressed with this image, if I tried the same with my 24-70 and d800e the results wouldn't be anywhere near as impressive.

Thanks for sharing the fine photo.

cheers

tony

I don't even understand what any debate is about.

The 24/1.4G is a fine lens. There are other fine lenses, there are worse lenses, and there are better lenses. But the 24/1.4G is a fine lens. Seems to me the OP was right to love the tool selected to make a nice photo. And thanks to them for sharing, as well!

As for being able to make the "same" picture with a 35/2D or a 28-200, lol, who knows!

Lots of good photographers out there and lots of good tools to make photographs. One thing is for sure -- the lenses don't take picture by themselves.

Well-done, OP.

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OOC Jpeg--

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Thanks for those. Love the cow.

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Love this shot, darling cow, the string of alfalfa hanging out her mouth is precious!

I guess the farmer really wanted to make it clear that she was #0085.

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Re: The 24 1.4G is just incredible...check this!

Engandiyur wrote:

Please tell me why on earth Nikon makes a f1.4 lens if it was meant to use at f8. Dear friend, this lens' application is not for this type of broad day light pictures but for low light photography (night sky or interiors of museum etc.). Nikon is not fool to make a f1.4 lens when they know that nobody is going to use an aperture of f1.4 in a day time.

LOL! Good one! You had me thinking you were serious for a sec.

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MartynD2oo wrote:

Love this shot, darling cow, the string of alfalfa hanging out her mouth is precious!

I guess the farmer really wanted to make it clear that she was #0085.

glo

This is fantastic and funny!  Really nice shot.  The cow's snout is a bit too out of focus. But quite cool.

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GlobalGuyUSA wrote:

glo wrote:

MartynD2oo wrote:

Love this shot, darling cow, the string of alfalfa hanging out her mouth is precious!

I guess the farmer really wanted to make it clear that she was #0085.

glo

This is fantastic and funny! Really nice shot. The cow's snout is a bit too out of focus. But quite cool.

When Nikon designed face detection they weren't expecting such a big hooter!

fun pic, thanks for sharing.

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