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New Canon SX710 HS. More Megapixels....

Started Jan 5, 2015 | Discussions
John McCormack
John McCormack Veteran Member • Posts: 7,101
New Canon SX710 HS. More Megapixels....

Canon upgraded the SX700 to 20MP and added 5 axis IS (or did the SX700 have 5 axis IS?). Will this be enough to bump up sales in this lagging segment of the small super zoom market?

For $349. it's not a bad deal for a travel camera.

Canon PowerShot SX710 PowerShot SX700
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Darkdac Junior Member • Posts: 47
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well, I think how it was years ago, DSLR`s only for connaisseurs, now days, those compact cameras with big zoom are for us, the connaisseurs who don`t take pics with the smartphons

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Lisetta1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,462
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More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

John McCormack
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More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Panasonic's ZS50 will trump the SX710 handily.

G-D Contributing Member • Posts: 711
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Lisetta1 wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Eh, how can it be the same sensor when it has 4 extra megapixels, 20 iso. 16? Don't get your point.

We haven't seen even one single sample or review of these cams but already they're being written off as rubbish. I don't understand that attitude.

ludwik123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,417
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G-D wrote:

Lisetta1 wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Eh, how can it be the same sensor when it has 4 extra megapixels, 20 iso. 16? Don't get your point.

We haven't seen even one single sample or review of these cams but already they're being written off as rubbish. I don't understand that attitude.

What people mean, is same size sensor and probably same type of sensor BSI CMOS,  with an extra  4 million pixels.  So each pixel is smaller.  I think the lens is same as SX700.

I suspect it may use the same sensor as the sony HX50 & HX60.

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Steen Bay Veteran Member • Posts: 7,418
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John McCormack wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Panasonic's ZS50 will trump the SX710 handily.

Interesting that Panasonic reduced the MP count from 18mp on ZS40 to 12mp on ZS50.

BarnET Veteran Member • Posts: 3,581
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G-D wrote:

Lisetta1 wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Eh, how can it be the same sensor when it has 4 extra megapixels, 20 iso. 16? Don't get your point.

We haven't seen even one single sample or review of these cams but already they're being written off as rubbish. I don't understand that attitude.

Easy.

The sensor is 20mp bsi cmos at 1/2.3 inch

We all know that sensor. It's made by Sony and it used in most of their compacts and xperia phones. Then Canon seems to do their best to make the slowest aperture lenses in it's class.

This sensor has very small pixels so it needs a lot of light. in a xperia phone with a F2.2 primes lens. no worries. On a compact camera from brand that people expect more off the lens only goes to f7 at the long end. That means the Compact is a LOT worse then a Sony smartphone.

Panasonic decided to decrease the mp count to 12 in their top of the line ZS/TZ. I think all enthusiasts agree that less in this case equals more.

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Steen Bay Veteran Member • Posts: 7,418
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BarnET wrote:

G-D wrote:

Lisetta1 wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Eh, how can it be the same sensor when it has 4 extra megapixels, 20 iso. 16? Don't get your point.

We haven't seen even one single sample or review of these cams but already they're being written off as rubbish. I don't understand that attitude.

Easy.

The sensor is 20mp bsi cmos at 1/2.3 inch

We all know that sensor. It's made by Sony and it used in most of their compacts and xperia phones. Then Canon seems to do their best to make the slowest aperture lenses in it's class.

This sensor has very small pixels so it needs a lot of light. in a xperia phone with a F2.2 primes lens. no worries. On a compact camera from brand that people expect more off the lens only goes to f7 at the long end. That means the Compact is a LOT worse then a Sony smartphone.

SX710 is f/3.2 at the wide end, and I'm pretty sure it's better at the long end than a Sony smartphone using 30x digital zoom. Agree though that 20mp probably is a bit over the top.

Panasonic decided to decrease the mp count to 12 in their top of the line ZS/TZ. I think all enthusiasts agree that less in this case equals more.

BarnET Veteran Member • Posts: 3,581
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Steen Bay wrote:

BarnET wrote:

G-D wrote:

Lisetta1 wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Eh, how can it be the same sensor when it has 4 extra megapixels, 20 iso. 16? Don't get your point.

We haven't seen even one single sample or review of these cams but already they're being written off as rubbish. I don't understand that attitude.

Easy.

The sensor is 20mp bsi cmos at 1/2.3 inch

We all know that sensor. It's made by Sony and it used in most of their compacts and xperia phones. Then Canon seems to do their best to make the slowest aperture lenses in it's class.

This sensor has very small pixels so it needs a lot of light. in a xperia phone with a F2.2 primes lens. no worries. On a compact camera from brand that people expect more off the lens only goes to f7 at the long end. That means the Compact is a LOT worse then a Sony smartphone.

SX710 is f/3.2 at the wide end, and I'm pretty sure it's better at the long end than a Sony smartphone using 30x digital zoom. Agree though that 20mp probably is a bit over the top.

I am sure the panasonic with it's faster lens and lower MP sensor will be better then the Canon at the long end.

Then it has a viewfinder and a tiltscreen

So apples to apples the Canon makes no sense.

And Apples to oranges the Phone is better at the wide-end.

Panasonic decided to decrease the mp count to 12 in their top of the line ZS/TZ. I think all enthusiasts agree that less in this case equals more.

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Steen Bay Veteran Member • Posts: 7,418
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BarnET wrote:

Steen Bay wrote:

BarnET wrote:

G-D wrote:

Lisetta1 wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Eh, how can it be the same sensor when it has 4 extra megapixels, 20 iso. 16? Don't get your point.

We haven't seen even one single sample or review of these cams but already they're being written off as rubbish. I don't understand that attitude.

Easy.

The sensor is 20mp bsi cmos at 1/2.3 inch

We all know that sensor. It's made by Sony and it used in most of their compacts and xperia phones. Then Canon seems to do their best to make the slowest aperture lenses in it's class.

This sensor has very small pixels so it needs a lot of light. in a xperia phone with a F2.2 primes lens. no worries. On a compact camera from brand that people expect more off the lens only goes to f7 at the long end. That means the Compact is a LOT worse then a Sony smartphone.

SX710 is f/3.2 at the wide end, and I'm pretty sure it's better at the long end than a Sony smartphone using 30x digital zoom. Agree though that 20mp probably is a bit over the top.

I am sure the panasonic with it's faster lens and lower MP sensor will be better then the Canon at the long end.

ZS50 is f/3.3-6.4 and SX710 is f/3.2-6.9, so pretty much the same.

Then it has a viewfinder and a tiltscreen

Yes, that gives ZS50 an advantage (at least IMO. Much prefer cameras with an EVF).

So apples to apples the Canon makes no sense.

And Apples to oranges the Phone is better at the wide-end.

Maybe. Depends on the quality of the lens (and processing, etc.)

Panasonic decided to decrease the mp count to 12 in their top of the line ZS/TZ. I think all enthusiasts agree that less in this case equals more.

BarnET Veteran Member • Posts: 3,581
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Steen Bay wrote:

BarnET wrote:

Steen Bay wrote:

BarnET wrote:

G-D wrote:

Lisetta1 wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Eh, how can it be the same sensor when it has 4 extra megapixels, 20 iso. 16? Don't get your point.

We haven't seen even one single sample or review of these cams but already they're being written off as rubbish. I don't understand that attitude.

Easy.

The sensor is 20mp bsi cmos at 1/2.3 inch

We all know that sensor. It's made by Sony and it used in most of their compacts and xperia phones. Then Canon seems to do their best to make the slowest aperture lenses in it's class.

This sensor has very small pixels so it needs a lot of light. in a xperia phone with a F2.2 primes lens. no worries. On a compact camera from brand that people expect more off the lens only goes to f7 at the long end. That means the Compact is a LOT worse then a Sony smartphone.

SX710 is f/3.2 at the wide end, and I'm pretty sure it's better at the long end than a Sony smartphone using 30x digital zoom. Agree though that 20mp probably is a bit over the top.

I am sure the panasonic with it's faster lens and lower MP sensor will be better then the Canon at the long end.

ZS50 is f/3.3-6.4 and SX710 is f/3.2-6.9, so pretty much the same.

the canon is 1/3rd stop slower. Which means it has to use a higher ISO to compensate.

Then the Panasonic has a sensor with less pixels which means larger pixels.

It wins. the question is whether it will be significant

Then it has a viewfinder and a tiltscreen

Yes, that gives ZS60 an advantage (at least IMO. Much prefer cameras with an EVF).

So apples to apples the Canon makes no sense.

And Apples to oranges the Phone is better at the wide-end.

Maybe. Depends on the quality of the lens (and processing, etc.)

Well we can be sure that neither the Panasonic nor the Canon will be significantly better then a device everyone already owns at the wide-end.

Which is the biggest threat to this market. People don't see the difference. since there isn't a significant difference. So unless you offer some nice functionality(panasonic did with the viewfinder)

you wil get a very tough time selling them.

Panasonic decided to decrease the mp count to 12 in their top of the line ZS/TZ. I think all enthusiasts agree that less in this case equals more.

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Mister Roboto
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John McCormack wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Panasonic's ZS50 will trump the SX710 handily.

Both with pinhead sensors, just resize down SX710 and it will be decent enough but still boring.

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LionelA Junior Member • Posts: 30
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BarnET wrote:

Steen Bay wrote:

BarnET wrote:

Steen Bay wrote:

BarnET wrote:

G-D wrote:

Lisetta1 wrote:

More megapixels. Same sensor. Same boring old Canon.

Eh, how can it be the same sensor when it has 4 extra megapixels, 20 iso. 16? Don't get your point.

We haven't seen even one single sample or review of these cams but already they're being written off as rubbish. I don't understand that attitude.

Easy.

The sensor is 20mp bsi cmos at 1/2.3 inch

We all know that sensor. It's made by Sony and it used in most of their compacts and xperia phones. Then Canon seems to do their best to make the slowest aperture lenses in it's class.

This sensor has very small pixels so it needs a lot of light. in a xperia phone with a F2.2 primes lens. no worries. On a compact camera from brand that people expect more off the lens only goes to f7 at the long end. That means the Compact is a LOT worse then a Sony smartphone.

SX710 is f/3.2 at the wide end, and I'm pretty sure it's better at the long end than a Sony smartphone using 30x digital zoom. Agree though that 20mp probably is a bit over the top.

I am sure the panasonic with it's faster lens and lower MP sensor will be better then the Canon at the long end.

ZS50 is f/3.3-6.4 and SX710 is f/3.2-6.9, so pretty much the same.

the canon is 1/3rd stop slower. Which means it has to use a higher ISO to compensate.

Then the Panasonic has a sensor with less pixels which means larger pixels.

It wins. the question is whether it will be significant

what about color reproduction and Image Stability? canon usually beats panasonic in this categories even on P&S, image stability makes a lot of difference when shutter speed is slow....also for landscape shooting at the wide end usually more MP is better even with small sensors.

The VF and raw support makes the panasonic very interesting

Then it has a viewfinder and a tiltscreen

Yes, that gives ZS60 an advantage (at least IMO. Much prefer cameras with an EVF).

So apples to apples the Canon makes no sense.

And Apples to oranges the Phone is better at the wide-end.

Maybe. Depends on the quality of the lens (and processing, etc.)

Well we can be sure that neither the Panasonic nor the Canon will be significantly better then a device everyone already owns at the wide-end.

Which is the biggest threat to this market. People don't see the difference. since there isn't a significant difference. So unless you offer some nice functionality(panasonic did with the viewfinder)

you wil get a very tough time selling them.

Panasonic decided to decrease the mp count to 12 in their top of the line ZS/TZ. I think all enthusiasts agree that less in this case equals more.

Augustin Man
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Steen Bay wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1230018654/canon-announces-five-powershot-compacts

Being for now more "taken" by learning to operate P600, I missed this

Thank you very much for the link, that confirms what we all already knew: SX60 was "less" than SX50, now another SX50 (530!), but with 16M (thus more noise), but without RAW and with the same processor.

Thank you, Canon, but no thanks, I'm staying with my old, reliable and astonishing SX50 and the outstanding and surprising P600.

Happy shooting everyone,

Augustin

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