gimbal recommendations

Alan- This might help..

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/682023-REG/Jobu_Design_BWG_J3K_BWG_J3K_Jobu_Jr_3_Gimbal.html

Arca Swiss QR .... I use the larger Jobu gimbal for my Sony 500mm F4 lens

-Martin P

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do you actually use this one? also does the camera detach quickly if you want to hand hold? also can you point skyward for Birds in flight? notice the height of the plate is not adjustable if that would help. never used one so not sure what to look for.
 
I have the older model, the 3421. I can't speak for the other party, but I would like it better if it had an a/s style plate instead of the RC3. However, I only use it occasionally so the economy of it was why I bought it. No issues using it - works just fine.

My main recommendation though is, as someone else mentioned, put it on top of a leveling unit. I have my 3421 on a Manfrotto 438. The total cost for both pieces is less than many of the other gimbals alone. As I said, I don't use the 3421 all that much, but the 438 stays on my tripod all the time. It provides a quick set-up, solid base for what ever other tripod head I may want to use.

I use this one http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554099-REG/Manfrotto_393_393_Heavy_Duty_Gimbal.html

I have no issues with this unit, it comes with the RC3 quick release. Not as nice as the Wimberly or the Jobu but a lot cheaper. I like it so much I almost never take it off the tripod.
I've had my eye on that and a couple other similarly cost effective units. In what way are they not as "nice" as the Wimberly or Jobu? If they are more crudely made but work as well I have no problem because functionality matters most to me.

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I use this one http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554099-REG/Manfrotto_393_393_Heavy_Duty_Gimbal.html

I have no issues with this unit, it comes with the RC3 quick release. Not as nice as the Wimberly or the Jobu but a lot cheaper. I like it so much I almost never take it off the tripod.
I've had my eye on that and a couple other similarly cost effective units. In what way are they not as "nice" as the Wimberly or Jobu? If they are more crudely made but work as well I have no problem because functionality matters most to me.
It is well made and sturdy. Based on videos I have seen of the Wimberly and Jobu I think a little stiffer but that is a perception on my part because I tend to slam in the lens and not bother to balance so the knobs are always turned tight
 
I also use the 438.
 
Walt, I second Mike's comment. Thanks indeed! I've done quite a bit of web searching and reading of reviews but I'm still not sure I understand the mounting of the lens to the gimbal. If you have an Arca Swiss style QR plate on the lens mount, does that mate directly to the gimbal or do you mount a matching QR plate on the gimbal? If I order the CB Gimbal LS do I need to also order a specific plate for mounting the lens? And one possible concern: I see that the only 2 reviews on B&H are negative, claiming that it is not steady especially with the heavier long lenses. From reading your posts (& seeing your photos) I've get real respect for and confidence in your opinions but do you have any thoughts about those complaints?

Thanks much, and apologies if I'm missing something that should be obvious – Alan
The Kirk Cobra, both versions of the Wimberley and the CB Gimbal all have at the top of them a arca swiss style mount. You do have to buy the arca swiss style plate to mount on the bottom of the lens, then that plate fits the mount clamp on the Gimbal. There are a wide number of different style arca swiss plates, thus they are not included with the gimbal, chances are whatever plate they might include would only match a small number of possible lenses their customers have. So, yes you would need to get the appropriate plate for your lens, but that would then clamp into the gimbal's mount. At the same time it's worth thinking about standardizing your camera support gear.

Primarily the length of the plate is an issue. Get a plate that allows adjustment to reach all balance setups you might use. Also look closely at the safety locks built into the plate and clamp. If the plate was not clamped enough when mounted you don't want the loose plate to slip out of the dovetail, that's what the safety locks prevent..

There are even replacement feet for some of the Canon and Nikon long tele that have the arca swiss dovetail (same as the plates) machined into them, no separate plate needed at all. I have machining tools and often have thought of making such special feet for my long lenses. Someday when I have some free time ;-) Always a problem with a new lens as modifying them can kill your warranty.

Ideally your arca swiss plate would be mounted to the tele with two bolts or be machined in some manner so the plate won't rotate in use. Some of my lenses came with a foot with only one tripod mount hole and I'd end up drilling and tapping for a second bolt to attach the plate. It's one of my annoyances with lens manufacturers of tele lenses.

A Gimbal setup is all the pieces from top to bottom properly matched. The B&H comments are from folks who seem to be not using matched setups and are looking to use fairly heavy long tele. I've used the CB Gimbal on long lenses up to 600mm and up to 5 lbs lens weight without the problems they are describing. The vibration one described would indicate to me that he was using too light a tripod. For instance one of the tripods I had in that set was the Manfrotto CF 55. Lots of folks think that's size tripod is more than big enough for long tele. I've tested it with gimbal and with several quality ball heads. And with the 70-400G lens and a700 DSLR. The vibration dampening described by the B&H reviewer is about what I experience with the Manfrotto. It's, in my opinion not suitable for long tele work. So I guess my comment about the B&H is without knowing their entire gimbal, tripod, camera and lens setup it's hard to judge if their problems are the gimbal. I do know that the CB has handled every long lens I have or where I've run across using it. I will guarantee there are lenses that will be too big for it. There are some huge long tele, but for the most part those end up having to have custom supports made for them.

Just like DSLR is a system of pieces, Long tele is also a system and all the pieces count. Understanding motion and vibration issues is often complex and an amazing amount of design efforts go into camera supports, they only look simple.

Many of the reviews one finds are misleading, especially those from customers or have a axe to grind. In reading reviews I often spend more time evaluating the reviewer to determine if he knows what he's talking about. Many do not. Only if I know the reviewer can I find the value of their review. With nearly 70 years of camera experience I likely know more than the reviewer's on a lot of it.

I've met a few folk using the Jobu gimbal in the field. It's pretty much a copy of the Wimberley original as are a number of other gimbals. If they were going to copy Wimberley what didn't they study the changes in the newer one? Examine the design of any gimbal you are considering very carefully. Every gimbal I use I've actually ended up discussing the design with the company before buying. The Jobu Lacks a bunch of useful features that are found on the CB They seem to want to show off balancing the gimbal which is important, but not all to look at. Like the gimbal lock on the CB which makes it a lot safer to mount the heavy lens when setting up. You do not want to drop that expensive lens while doing that. Also does not break down for compact carry on a trip. For some reason Jobu stuff often is recommended, but I've not found it to be anything special from panoramic setups to gimbals and so on.

While it's interesting for someone to copy what I have, I think each person should study and learn the equipment and make their own decision. Each of us have our own photography we do.
 
I use this one http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554099-REG/Manfrotto_393_393_Heavy_Duty_Gimbal.html

I have no issues with this unit, it comes with the RC3 quick release. Not as nice as the Wimberly or the Jobu but a lot cheaper. I like it so much I almost never take it off the tripod.
I've had my eye on that and a couple other similarly cost effective units. In what way are they not as "nice" as the Wimberly or Jobu? If they are more crudely made but work as well I have no problem because functionality matters most to me.
It is well made and sturdy. Based on videos I have seen of the Wimberly and Jobu I think a little stiffer but that is a perception on my part because I tend to slam in the lens and not bother to balance so the knobs are always turned tight
I have used the Manfrotto, long ago thinking I could save money over a gimbal. It was a waste of money, it's not near as functional as gimbals. Not worth even the money they charge. In comparison the bearings and the balance are crude and won't provide the kind of smooth motion of a gimbal.

The point of a gimbal is the balanced free movement. That's what allows that large lens to freely move to follow your subjects. If using a gimbal and just always locking it down don't bother getting a gimbal at all.
 
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Here is the side mount with the Manfrotto plate mount

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This one is a Manfrotto / Bogen and prob the most heavy duty but pretty inexpensive I picked up on e bay for 100$ I have since put an indexing Base on it .
 
I didn't go through the whole thread but this looks interesting (available in US at Nature store)...

For the price of that I could get a Wimberly Gimble.
 
I ordered the jobu. J3K

my camera is less than 2 lbs and the lens I am using is around 4 lbs. so 6-7 lbs. maximum. It is the new tamron 150-600. I corresponded with the company and he sent me pictures of that lens and a camera on the BWG-J3K (regular jobu jr.3.) and it looked like it worked fine.

will post how it works out when I get it.

thanks for all the replies.
 
Good choice.......make certain you purchase a good quality Arca Swiss plate for the lens collar, with enough length to adjust perfect balance...[most important] Plate should be longer than collar on either side.

Have fun....

-M

 
Good choice.......make certain you purchase a good quality Arca Swiss plate for the lens collar, with enough length to adjust perfect balance...[most important] Plate should be longer than collar on either side.
I'm using a Kirk LP-39 "arca swiss style" plate on my Tamron 150-600. I already had that plate here and it matched, I've a number of spare plates around, it was not specifically choosen for that lens. The plate is about 150mm long but the other important detail is at the back end of the plate is a riser that prevents the lens rotating on the mount with only one bolt fastening to the lens. The plate also has a recessed area underside so the spring safety pegs on the clamp can prevent the plate sliding out of the clamp on the CB Gimbal. It's a little longer than required for balance so a little shorter can be used. Balance is a function of both lens and camera, and I'm balancing with a700s.

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I didn't go through the whole thread but this looks interesting (available in US at Nature store)...

For the price of that I could get a Wimberly Gimble.
And have a better gimbal. The design shown is a compromise of a ball head to add some safety. But viewing through the viewfinder will have limitations where the tripod will be in the way. Also it requires you extend the tripod center column which will increase vibration problems. You never want that center column extended at all.

Many folks don't actually try real use of more than one gimbal. As such the errors of what they got are often never noticed.
 
I guess a lot of photographers are turning in their over weight gimbals. :-)
That is how you get to fight more with motion blur, ruin more photos. Lightness has compromises which directly limit image quality. Where the more mass involved in the system the better it damps out vibration. And no way does a long tele be light, nearly all it's weight is in the glass that's forming that good image.

In actual use when taking photos a high quality gimbal will make motion so smooth and free that even a huge, heavy lens is like shooting with a weightless gear setup, you won't feel that weight. When shooting with a gimbal I can often aim and control it with only light touch with one finger. Out shooting, say a nest full of young hawks I might spend hours between even touching the system. Just push the remote when a pose I want turns up. And look through the viewfinder without touching the lens, and that with the locks all loose, only a very slight drag set.
 
I use this one http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554099-REG/Manfrotto_393_393_Heavy_Duty_Gimbal.html

I have no issues with this unit, it comes with the RC3 quick release. Not as nice as the Wimberly or the Jobu but a lot cheaper. I like it so much I almost never take it off the tripod.
I've had my eye on that and a couple other similarly cost effective units. In what way are they not as "nice" as the Wimberly or Jobu? If they are more crudely made but work as well I have no problem because functionality matters most to me.
It is well made and sturdy. Based on videos I have seen of the Wimberly and Jobu I think a little stiffer but that is a perception on my part because I tend to slam in the lens and not bother to balance so the knobs are always turned tight
I have used the Manfrotto, long ago thinking I could save money over a gimbal. It was a waste of money, it's not near as functional as gimbals. Not worth even the money they charge. In comparison the bearings and the balance are crude and won't provide the kind of smooth motion of a gimbal.

The point of a gimbal is the balanced free movement. That's what allows that large lens to freely move to follow your subjects. If using a gimbal and just always locking it down don't bother getting a gimbal at all.
 
I shoot a 600f4 and a 500 f4 with a gimbal and am not closed minded to improvements in head design (only in cost, at $540, I will wait for more reviews) The u tube video made the unique ball look a little fiddly and having to use a center column is not ideal. Here is a mini review from EJ at Naturescapes...

 
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the fact that the Wimberly Gimble would be better was my point. I fail to see why anybody would buy that ball head at that price. I use a ball head on a monopod for it's simplicity but the Gimble would be better on a tripod.
 

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