2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??

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z2122
z2122 Senior Member • Posts: 1,394
2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??
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Ok.. here we are again -

D750 vs D610 RAW High ISO test ...

this time with tripod, manual focus (focus with more than 100% live view - but shot taken with viewfinder); 50mm f1.8 lens , tungsten light;
ISO 12800 f2.8 1/90 ; ISO6400 f2.8 1/45 ; ISO3200 f2.8 1/20
Nikon NX-D RAW Converter, NR switched OFF, Screenshots to make it compareable 100% crop

There is no difference to my eyes - is this the same sensor?

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James Bligh Senior Member • Posts: 2,366
Re: 2nd TRY : I can't believe this.
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z2122 wrote:

Ok.. here we are again -

D750 vs D610 RAW High ISO test ...

this time with tripod, manual focus (focus with more than 100% live view - but shot taken with viewfinder); 50mm f1.8 lens , tungsten light;
ISO 12800 f2.8 1/90 ; ISO6400 f2.8 1/45 ; ISO3200 f2.8 1/20
Nikon NX-D RAW Converter, NR switched OFF, Screenshots to make it compareable 100% crop

There is no difference to my eyes - is this the same sensor?

Jesus, they are completely (or 99%) same.

If this is true, the difference between D750 & D610 is only hardware and video.

I thought the secret will reveal itself in due time but I never thought it will be this soon.

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Rick_Hunter Senior Member • Posts: 1,021
Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??

12800 and 6400 look identical, but at 3200 the D750 looks a hair cleaner to me. Less chroma noise (look at the blue and red writings)

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James Bligh Senior Member • Posts: 2,366
Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??
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Rick_Hunter wrote:

12800 and 6400 look identical, but at 3200 the D750 looks a hair cleaner to me. Less chroma noise (look at the blue and red writings)

I think it is hair splitting.

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scokill
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Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??
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Rick_Hunter wrote:

12800 and 6400 look identical, but at 3200 the D750 looks a hair cleaner to me. Less chroma noise (look at the blue and red writings)

It's strange...I look at noise in the shadows and the d610 looks better to me at 3200 and 12,800 and the d750 better at 6400.  I've looked both on laptop and desktop monitor.  It is hair splitting.

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Tharaphita
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Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??
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I think the difference mainly comes out when you shoot scenes with dark background. As we saw in dpreview test scene what got taken down for a moment to correct daylight simulation shots. The purple haze on blacks is gone on D750.

Dyun27
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Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??
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z2122 wrote:

Ok.. here we are again -

D750 vs D610 RAW High ISO test ...

this time with tripod, manual focus (focus with more than 100% live view - but shot taken with viewfinder); 50mm f1.8 lens , tungsten light;
ISO 12800 f2.8 1/90 ; ISO6400 f2.8 1/45 ; ISO3200 f2.8 1/20
Nikon NX-D RAW Converter, NR switched OFF, Screenshots to make it compareable 100% crop

There is no difference to my eyes - is this the same sensor?

The grain on the D750 is finer than it is on the D610 file and chroma noise is slightly more suppressed, which means fine details will be preserved just a smidgen better at high ISO with the D750 compared to the D610. I can see it clearly in your examples and I've noticed it even when shooting at ISO 400. I have both cameras.

That being said, you have to remember that the D750 now has the EXPEED4 processor vs. EXPEED3 in the D610. The sensor hasn't necessarily gotten better in the D750, but the way the information is interpreted seems to have been improved. I've also seen one reviewer theorize that the antialiasing filter may be just a tiny bit weaker than it is on the D610, which also translates to slightly sharper results with slightly better detail. Most people won't ever see any difference, especially once an image has been processed and downsized. There's no way to tell which is which at that point.

Moving from the D610 to the D750, we've been spoiled by great image quality. There is not a big difference in image quality between these two models. The biggest difference is the AF speed and accuracy as well as the new video features.

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Tharaphita
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Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??
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Noise in blacks i referred

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Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??

Tharaphita wrote:

Noise in blacks i referred

I will keep the D750 anyway - got already used to the user interface , AF and 100% vuew - button

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Westmill
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Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??
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The D750 is clearly better but its a small difference. Every little helps as they say

Its a shame the OP has not got a DF too  I would like to see how it fares against that !

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Joe Digital2 Forum Member • Posts: 79
Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??
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Tharaphita wrote:

Noise in blacks i referred

This difference, although not huge, is significant.  I occasionally shoot night soccer games and this difference is of value to me.

caspianm Senior Member • Posts: 2,504
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Tharaphita wrote:

Noise in blacks i referred

Where did you get the comparision chart? It is not on dpreview!

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Tharaphita
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Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - no difference??

It was for a day or two, then got taken down since they had some focus or mirror shake issues on some daylight low iso shots. Promised to be back up soon though.

ImageAmateur Veteran Member • Posts: 5,067
Re: 2nd TRY : D750 - D610 RAW high ISO comparison - I think there is

z2122 wrote:

Ok.. here we are again -

D750 vs D610 RAW High ISO test ...

this time with tripod, manual focus (focus with more than 100% live view - but shot taken with viewfinder); 50mm f1.8 lens , tungsten light;
ISO 12800 f2.8 1/90 ; ISO6400 f2.8 1/45 ; ISO3200 f2.8 1/20
Nikon NX-D RAW Converter, NR switched OFF, Screenshots to make it compareable 100% crop

There is no difference to my eyes - is this the same sensor?

Humbly, I suggest in my amateur knowledge, that the D750 is actually quitte better for the following reasons:

- the chroma noise has both a different pattern in the D750, finer and with a different color bias. It is less obvious i9n these examples, but it is there

- the D750 seems to have a better rendition of reds, they are not as 'pushed' as in the D610. Maybe this is also affecting the better chroma noise in the D750, not sure.

- maybe as a result of algorithms that process reds, but the D750 red TINGE across the frame is less evident than in the D610.

- the D750 noise is more even, the D610 more splotchy.

Some will see that it is not 'that' different, I think it may be enough to show somewhat  in various images. Noise reduction may make it negligible, or not. Wont know till the images roll in.

Just my opinion.

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caspianm Senior Member • Posts: 2,504
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D750 incorporates stronger contrast and sharpening but also more chroma NR and to some extent luminance NR. Everything should work out better compared to previous Nikons until you compare heavy color pattern.

How much of NR is applied to raw remains to be seen but seems very likely  that raw is pre-processed. All that can be applied externally to previous 24 & 36 mp sensosrs if needed with the same result.

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Westmill wrote:

The D750 is clearly better but its a small difference. Every little helps as they say

Its a shame the OP has not got a DF too I would like to see how it fares against that !

Df is way better that what I've seen so far from D750. Df is still the camera to beat in noise. Glad I kept my Df.

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JPG high ISO comparison ... out of camera D750 and D610
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with the RAWs from the beginning of this post I salso stored jpgs in parallel.

ok .. some jpg comparison ... straight out of camera .. NR is default in D750 and D610

ALL JPGs

ISO 6400 : D750 left - D610 right

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ISO 12800 : D750 left - D610 right

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ISO 25600 : D750 left - D610 right

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ISO 51200 : D750 left - ISO 25600 D610 right

that´s it ... unfortunately I do not have a DF to test it ...

Nikon improved the in-camera-raw=>jpg conversion....

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Re: JPG high ISO comparison ... out of camera D750 and D610
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z2122 wrote:

with the RAWs from the beginning of this post I salso stored jpgs in parallel.

ok .. some jpg comparison ... straight out of camera .. NR is default in D750 and D610

ALL JPGs

ISO 6400 : D750 left - D610 right

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ISO 12800 : D750 left - D610 right

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ISO 25600 : D750 left - D610 right

===========================

ISO 51200 : D750 left - ISO 25600 D610 right

that´s it ... unfortunately I do not have a DF to test it ...

Nikon improved the in-camera-raw=>jpg conversion....

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Oh well... we cant have it all  Well for JPG shooters... I would say there is a big difference

I noticed the white balance is also a tad better with the 750 in Raw and JPG. Not that important for RAW of course but another bonus for JPG shooters

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Benjamin Kanarek
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Re: JPG high ISO comparison ... out of camera D750 and D610

Westmill wrote:

z2122 wrote:

with the RAWs from the beginning of this post I salso stored jpgs in parallel.

ok .. some jpg comparison ... straight out of camera .. NR is default in D750 and D610

ALL JPGs

ISO 6400 : D750 left - D610 right

===========================

ISO 12800 : D750 left - D610 right

===========================

ISO 25600 : D750 left - D610 right

===========================

ISO 51200 : D750 left - ISO 25600 D610 right

that´s it ... unfortunately I do not have a DF to test it ...

Nikon improved the in-camera-raw=>jpg conversion....

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Oh well... we cant have it all Well for JPG shooters... I would say there is a big difference

I noticed the white balance is also a tad better with the 750 in Raw and JPG. Not that important for RAW of course but another bonus for JPG shooters

The differences in the rendition between these two cameras are so minute, that by the time they went to press, nobody, I mean know one would know which camera was used on an image. I may even pick up a Nikon 610 because it is that good and half the price of a D810. I have several D800's.

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Re: JPG high ISO comparison ... out of camera D750 and D610
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z2122 wrote:

with the RAWs from the beginning of this post I salso stored jpgs in parallel.

ok .. some jpg comparison ... straight out of camera .. NR is default in D750 and D610

ALL JPGs

ISO 6400 : D750 left - D610 right

===========================

ISO 12800 : D750 left - D610 right

===========================

ISO 25600 : D750 left - D610 right

===========================

ISO 51200 : D750 left - ISO 25600 D610 right

that´s it ... unfortunately I do not have a DF to test it ...

Nikon improved the in-camera-raw=>jpg conversion....

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This is a NR comparison.  d750 is stronger.

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