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G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

Started Oct 8, 2014 | Discussions
geepondy Senior Member • Posts: 2,303
Compared to T5i?

Hey guys, with disregard to the attributes of both, how is G1X II image quality compared to T5i with kit lens (within the overlap focal distance)?  I know the faster lens of the G1X would provide better bokeh but if stepped down to be as slow as the T5i kit lens, would it outresolve it as well?  With contrast focusing allegedly being more precise than phase detection, would that make a difference as well?

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Greg Gebhardt
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Still my favorite non-DSLR camera, period.

The images are simply the best for any camera in it's class.

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After some careful consideration of performance vs. price vs. flexibility - I finally scrounged the cash and picked-up a secondhand Fujifilm X-T1.  (And, knowingly spent considerably more than I would have for a brand-new G1Xii.  However, I believe that it will give me more room to grow.)

I STILL believe that if somebody wants a nice, SOLID, camera, cares about image quality, but does not want to screw-around with Interchangeable Lenses - the G1Xii could still be a good fit.

I picture it like a considerably-improved, somewhat larger version of the G-9 that I liked very much.

Now - On to the Fuji X-Series forums!

Thanks for the valid thoughts on this subject though.

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Louis Scarole Regular Member • Posts: 143
G1X MKII spend more time shooting..

versus discussing on forums

gloaming Veteran Member • Posts: 4,633
Re: G1X MKII spend more time shooting..
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Your words sound as if you are used to running the show.  Not here.  Peddle your commands somewhere else....thanks.

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Re: It IS a Winner!

rgleich wrote:

After some careful consideration of performance vs. price vs. flexibility - I finally scrounged the cash and picked-up a secondhand Fujifilm X-T1. (And, knowingly spent considerably more than I would have for a brand-new G1Xii. However, I believe that it will give me more room to grow.)

I STILL believe that if somebody wants a nice, SOLID, camera, cares about image quality, but does not want to screw-around with Interchangeable Lenses - the G1Xii could still be a good fit.

I picture it like a considerably-improved, somewhat larger version of the G-9 that I liked very much.

Now - On to the Fuji X-Series forums!

Thanks for the valid thoughts on this subject though.

Good choice.

I bought a Canon G1X-II after having had two G1X models which I really liked. I was more than deeply disappointed in the Mark II.

At the time I had it, I compared it to a G1X-I, an Olympus E-P5 (with kit lens to be fair), a Nikon Coolpix A, an Olympus XZ-2 an Olympus E-PL1 and Sony RX100. All those cameras beat the G1X in sharpness. The E-P5 and Coolpix A trounced it in all image quality parameters.

The G1X-II produced nice rich Canon colors and pleasant images at normal viewing, most of the time.
I did not like the twin control ring setup on the lens at all. The viewfinder was excellent. The movie record button is in the worst place possible and can't be turned off. The constant accidental movie shots were extremely annoying. I observed luminance noise at ISO's as low as 400 (unbelievable for a sensor this size). The dynamic range is lower than an RX100 at base ISO. It's resolution is fine by cave dweller standards. It tended to clip highlights all the time, I thought I was shooting with my S110 again. I had to carry a bag full of batteries to go on one walk-about photo shoot.

Here are two shots of many that I took to illustrate the lack of sharpness from the G1X-II:

Both images are SOOC JPEG, no PP, default settings.

I have many, many more like this and in most cases the G1X-II is not sharper and sometimes, alarmingly so.

It does have it's sweet spots and can do well if you stay in the mid-range focal lengths while stopped down a bit but, this limitation hobbles the camera in my opinion. What's the point in having a camera, with a fixed zoom lens where you can't use 25% or more of the range?

Canon G1X-II

It is a nice looking camera and "feels" great. Too bad it's got such a soft lens.

Here's a much, much better alternative, if you don't mind changing lenses every once in a while:

Olympus E-P5

If you must have Canon, get this one. It's much cheaper and has a better lens:

Canon G1-X

I wouldn't hesitate to get another G1X Mark I or E-P5 (will be getting another one soon) but the G1X-II, neh. I don't see any compelling reason at all to buy a camera with so many "cons".

I did purchase a new G7X and expect it to do much better than the G1X-II as it has the amazingly good Sony 1" sensor.

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Louis Scarole Regular Member • Posts: 143
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gloaming wrote:

Your words sound as if you are used to running the show. Not here. Peddle your commands somewhere else....thanks.

I don't see any show here. Only forumers discussing on other forumers discussions. A kind of endless loop. And you are commenting my reaction : an other loop on top of the initial one. Very funny.

By the way, not a lot of photos here.

AdamT
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Too low resolution for me

I tried a MkII as my Mk1 is getting older and older and the mileage is heading for London Taxi levels - Shot RAW and developed In Capture one .. the lens was sharp enough but it was like shooting down a toilet roll at the wide end meaning that once you`d de-fished the image in PT lens and cropped from the centre without the black bits you ended up with about 10Mp - hence why people are finding the wide end soft on this camera as the JPG engine does this then upsizes to 13Mp !! ..

The Mk1 has a small bit of this but you still end up with a slightly wider than 4:3 , 13Mp image and with any zoom used at all, the full 14Mp --- the Mk2 is almost like shooting an APS-C lens on full frame at the wide end , the long end is far from perfect too . 10Mp is unacceptable , Heck the 14Mp of the Mk1 is low thesedays .. that lens is fast and NOT soft when not upsized by a JPG engine but it doesn`t even come close to covering the 1.5" sensor . I need a resolution Increase in an update not 4Mp less !! .

The Mk2 is faster than the Mk1 in good light but not much if any faster in low light - the twist LCD and Exposure comp dial were big losses off the Mk2 also (Canon obviously agreed as the comp dial reappeared on the G7X and EOS-M3) ..

I`ll stick with the Mk1 until they put a lens on the cam which covers the sensor areas , has a built in EVF, it up to speed AF wise and uses a chunk from the new 24Mp sensor . the Mk1 still rules the G1X line for me despite it thinking that "macro" is 4 feet away

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MrYuzhai
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Its a top notch point and shoot.. I wouldn't trade it for anything currently available on the market.. Sure its a little bigger and slightly heavier than other offerings HOWEVER this actually makes the camera easier to grip and hold (the irony eh).

Once you've mastered / gotten to grips with it in P & M its a breeze to get excellent IQ. Some have complained of poor IQ / softness but this was / is mainly due to user error / users new to the camera.

Many critics online rooting for their newly purchased babies so don't let that sway your judgement too much. If there's any major gripe I've got with Canon about this camera its only that the EVF is stupidly overpriced in my opinion. Oh.. Gotta give them props for the glass.. The lens is simply excellent.

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MrYuzhai
MrYuzhai Forum Member • Posts: 70
Re: Yes, it is a winner.

At the present time, my MK1 is still good enough ... for me :

That is a gorgeous shot (train)

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crashpc Veteran Member • Posts: 7,235
Re: Too low resolution for me

AdamT wrote:

I tried a MkII as my Mk1 is getting older and older and the mileage is heading for London Taxi levels - Shot RAW and developed In Capture one .. the lens was sharp enough but it was like shooting down a toilet roll at the wide end meaning that once you`d de-fished the image in PT lens and cropped from the centre without the black bits you ended up with about 10Mp - hence why people are finding the wide end soft on this camera as the JPG engine does this then upsizes to 13Mp !! ..

The Mk1 has a small bit of this but you still end up with a slightly wider than 4:3 , 13Mp image and with any zoom used at all, the full 14Mp --- the Mk2 is almost like shooting an APS-C lens on full frame at the wide end , the long end is far from perfect too . 10Mp is unacceptable , Heck the 14Mp of the Mk1 is low thesedays .. that lens is fast and NOT soft when not upsized by a JPG engine but it doesn`t even come close to covering the 1.5" sensor . I need a resolution Increase in an update not 4Mp less !! .

Lens covering whole sensor is not a goal. Opposite is true. They just should make it little bigger system with full APS-C sensor with slight "cut-out", so it would be real upgrade.

But I agree. That was exactly the reason I didn´t buy it. It got worse compared to previous version. This was tactics of Olympus back then, and I don´t believe them anymore. It will take some time I´ll buy or even recommend any Olympus camera again even when I see they got considerably better, no more rip-offs...

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NWT Contributing Member • Posts: 744
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I am confused, are you talking about Canon or Olympus?

I am happy with the G1XII.  It has just been named as one of the four recommended cameras by Choice Australia after reviewing over 100 cameras, including Sony RX100M3 and Panasonic LX100.

crashpc Veteran Member • Posts: 7,235
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NWT wrote:

I am confused, are you talking about Canon or Olympus?

I am happy with the G1XII. It has just been named as one of the four recommended cameras by Choice Australia after reviewing over 100 cameras, including Sony RX100M3 and Panasonic LX100.

Both.

With Canon I hate it from the first moment. But it kinda works for me, so I swallow some aspects (I could objectively name) and I rather shoot Canon. It is what it is and it makes its job VERY WELL when you get used to Canon style.

With Olympus back then... Oooh so many great rip-offs! They were just joke. I bought and recommended few cams around yr2000 and it was very bad move. There was not so many so good reviews, so it was harder to decide. Worst cameras ever. Now, they´re much better, but my mood about this brand still persists somehow. Don´t like them, and they maybe get more punishment by not buying their stuff than they deserve...

Now Canon is getting closer by making new machine WORSE in certain, pretty vital aspects, while of course, making it better as a total package.

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zanejc New Member • Posts: 12
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thanks for share

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NWT Contributing Member • Posts: 744
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My mistake, Choice Australia actually recommends 6 cameras in their latest review, the other five are:

1. Samsung NX1 S lens, 82%;

2. Olympus OM-D E-M1 plus 12-40 Pro lens, 81%;

3. Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH4H, 81%;

4. Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ 1000, 80%;

5. Leica V-Lux Type 114, 80%;

For G1XII with EVF, rated 81%, the comments are:

Good points:

•Excellent viewfinder score
• Excellent flash score
• Excellent monitor score
• Very good image quality score
• Very good movie quality score
• Swiveling touch display
• Good grip on the rubber inlays
• Multifunction ring on lens

Bad points:
• Poor sound quality - zooming sounds, sound is dull while zooming
• Menus can be difficult to follow

gerryintassie New Member • Posts: 1
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I have had a Canon G1X Mark II for over 6 months now. I do a lot of bushwalki g in Tasmania. As such I do not want to carry a heavy camera or lenses. The performance of the camera is outstanding. Since obtaining the camera I have been capturing the Aurora Australis near Hobart. Quite a few of us gather at Howden. My fellow aurora chasers are constantly checking out the back of my camera to see what I have captured. I can get the ISO down quite low at F2! Not sure if I can plug my web site here but the aurora pics can be found there. www.touringtasmania.info
I had the first G1X before this one. However it progressively failed. The MarkII is considerably superior. I call it my little ferrari!

Juksu Regular Member • Posts: 109
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I did not like the twin control ring setup on the lens at all.

I don't like it either...

The movie record button is in the worst place possible and can't be turned off The constant accidental movie shots were extremely annoying.

You can turn off (or assign almost any old function on ) the movie record button, in Menu - Function Assignment.  I have mine set to toggle Touch Shutter on/off.

But I have the same thing to say about manual focus button -- I hit it constantly, and /it/ cannot be turned off.

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