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G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

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rgleich
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G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

Looking into an Upgrade for my lost/stolen G9 - I liked the G9, but I am ready to move-up to something better / more versatile in the Image Quality & Available Light departments.

I'm not sure if I want to lug-around a bunch of different lenses -

If I do, I will probably save-up and jump-ship to Fujifilm X-T1 and enroll in some classes / read a book or two.

If I don't - I have also been considering the Sony RX10, which seems to be a REALLY nice all-rounder, but it has been around for almost a year and I fear that if I plunk-down around a grand, they will inevitibly release the improved version the day after...

I was initially enthralled with previews / reviews of G1X MKII - After using the G9, the learning curve would have been less steep.

However - there seems to be a general lack of "buzz" about this camera.  The specs appeared to be good, but was it's thunder stolen by the rapid succession of Sony RX100-I-II-III releases?

It seems that in the Milwaukee area - NONE of even the most ardent Canon Camera Shops have stocked it, so I have yet to get my grubby paws on one.  (Maybe due to lackluster sales of Original G1X - which is STILL in stock at several stores, but who wants to buy a "new" camera that is that "long-in-the-tooth" and still has noted shortcomings, which have supposedly been corrected in the NEW version?...)

On paper - it sounded like a WINNER

So, why the seeming lack of interest?

Any input from actual G1X MKII owners would also be appreciated

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Dale Buhanan Veteran Member • Posts: 4,280
Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?
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rgleich wrote:

Looking into an Upgrade for my lost/stolen G9 - I liked the G9, but I am ready to move-up to something better / more versatile in the Image Quality & Available Light departments.

I'm not sure if I want to lug-around a bunch of different lenses -

If I do, I will probably save-up and jump-ship to Fujifilm X-T1 and enroll in some classes / read a book or two.

If I don't - I have also been considering the Sony RX10, which seems to be a REALLY nice all-rounder, but it has been around for almost a year and I fear that if I plunk-down around a grand, they will inevitibly release the improved version the day after...

I was initially enthralled with previews / reviews of G1X MKII - After using the G9, the learning curve would have been less steep.

However - there seems to be a general lack of "buzz" about this camera. The specs appeared to be good, but was it's thunder stolen by the rapid succession of Sony RX100-I-II-III releases?

It seems that in the Milwaukee area - NONE of even the most ardent Canon Camera Shops have stocked it, so I have yet to get my grubby paws on one. (Maybe due to lackluster sales of Original G1X - which is STILL in stock at several stores, but who wants to buy a "new" camera that is that "long-in-the-tooth" and still has noted shortcomings, which have supposedly been corrected in the NEW version?...)

On paper - it sounded like a WINNER

So, why the seeming lack of interest?

Any input from actual G1X MKII owners would also be appreciated

I have the G1X-II and just love the camera.  It is well built and easy to use, and the pictures I get from it please me.  For hiking around and shooting the scenery, I much prefer using it to my 70D.

There was a lot of buzz for it when it was first introduced, but people tend to want to talk about the newer and later cameras... so now it is the G7X -- which is not nearly as good as the G1X-II, although it is smaller and more pocketable.

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gavin
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Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

RX100s and G7X wins by size for me and portability. Even the LX100 is kind of in a different size class.

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photofisher Senior Member • Posts: 1,567
Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

I was thinking the same thing after reviewing the newer cams.....the G1x markII will compare favorable in terms of IQ...I just don't know if I want the size or expense......I just don't know how small is small enough.

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B1ackhat Senior Member • Posts: 1,980
Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

I like the G1X M2 quite a bit.  I really like the lens, dynamic range seems pretty good, and the IS at times a thing of wonder.  My primary gripes are low light focusing problems (can't get focus to lock at times) and surprisingly poor WB compared to previous Canon cameras. However, the latter issue is generally easily corrected.  I have found with my Sony RX100 that fixing one color/WB problem creates a slew of others presumably because of a poor tone curve.  This often results in a vicious cycle that often proves to be nothing more than an exercise in complete futility.  Unfortunately, this even occurs when working with RAW files.  With the G1X M2, on the other hand, adjustments are usually quick and painless whether using the RAW or JPEG.  On a side note, if you get a slightly longer shoulder strap for the cam than the ones that comes with it, you'll barely even know it's there.

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JimMc Senior Member • Posts: 2,882
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rgleich wrote:

Looking into an Upgrade for my lost/stolen G9 - I liked the G9, but I am ready to move-up to something better / more versatile in the Image Quality & Available Light departments.

I'm not sure if I want to lug-around a bunch of different lenses -

If I do, I will probably save-up and jump-ship to Fujifilm X-T1 and enroll in some classes / read a book or two.

If I don't - I have also been considering the Sony RX10, which seems to be a REALLY nice all-rounder, but it has been around for almost a year and I fear that if I plunk-down around a grand, they will inevitibly release the improved version the day after...

I was initially enthralled with previews / reviews of G1X MKII - After using the G9, the learning curve would have been less steep.

However - there seems to be a general lack of "buzz" about this camera. The specs appeared to be good, but was it's thunder stolen by the rapid succession of Sony RX100-I-II-III releases?

It seems that in the Milwaukee area - NONE of even the most ardent Canon Camera Shops have stocked it, so I have yet to get my grubby paws on one. (Maybe due to lackluster sales of Original G1X - which is STILL in stock at several stores, but who wants to buy a "new" camera that is that "long-in-the-tooth" and still has noted shortcomings, which have supposedly been corrected in the NEW version?...)

On paper - it sounded like a WINNER

So, why the seeming lack of interest?

Any input from actual G1X MKII owners would also be appreciated

A great camera. Get one, you won't be disappointed.

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RClassic New Member • Posts: 16
Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

I've had the camera since it came out and still love it.  It has a fairly steep learning curve though and you have to realize that to get the most out of it.  It allows for much more creativity than most point and shoots due to the outstanding lens, large sensor and its ability to accept filters such as the 250D and 500D close-ups.  I'm still having fun learning new techniques with the camera and (unless I'm taking sports photos) find myself using it much more than my 7D.

Tonkotsu Ramen
Tonkotsu Ramen Senior Member • Posts: 2,380
Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

B1ackhat wrote:

I like the G1X M2 quite a bit.  I really like the lens, dynamic range seems pretty good, and the IS at times a thing of wonder.  My primary gripes are low light focusing problems (can't get focus to lock at times) and surprisingly poor WB compared to previous Canon cameras. However, the latter issue is generally easily corrected.  I have found with my Sony RX100 that fixing one color/WB problem creates a slew of others presumably because of a poor tone curve.  This often results in a vicious cycle that often proves to be nothing more than an exercise in complete futility.  Unfortunately, this even occurs when working with RAW files.  With the G1X M2, on the other hand, adjustments are usually quick and painless whether using the RAW or JPEG.  On a side note, if you get a slightly longer shoulder strap for the cam than the ones that comes with it, you'll barely even know it's there.

I found that this is a problem on numerous canon compact cameras I've used. My EOS-M had this problem, the G1X Mark II i tried had this problem, and my G7 X also seems to have this problem. All of them would "beep" to say they confirmed focus lock, but the the picture is not in focus. My S90 is even worse in low light, as it simply won't lock focus. It doesn't confirm to beep though, that's a good thing I guess.

rgleich
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Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

Thanks for putting the "hype-process" into perspective.

You're right, and as a Moderator - you've probably seen how this process goes numerous times.

For those of us trying to make a decision, it seems strange - but it actually is NOT strange once you look at it this way.

I STILL think it could be a good fit for my wants/needs in a camera.  I liked my G9 A LOT.  It was reliable, fit my hands well, and enabled me to take some pretty decent pictures.

However, I'm still torn between that and saving-up some more moolah to take a Photography / Photoshop Elements class, read a few books, and go with a Fuji X-T1.  I KNOW it's a different sort of camera.  But with the right Prime - it could remind me of my old Canonet GIII-QL (35-mm film, GREAT 40mm F1.7 lens), plus give me other opportunities to be CREATIVE.  Guess I just have to ask myself if I will use it enough to justify the bucks...

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jonrobertp Forum Pro • Posts: 12,880
Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

Tonkotsu Ramen wrote:

B1ackhat wrote:

I like the G1X M2 quite a bit. I really like the lens, dynamic range seems pretty good, and the IS at times a thing of wonder. My primary gripes are low light focusing problems (can't get focus to lock at times) and surprisingly poor WB compared to previous Canon cameras. However, the latter issue is generally easily corrected. I have found with my Sony RX100 that fixing one color/WB problem creates a slew of others presumably because of a poor tone curve. This often results in a vicious cycle that often proves to be nothing more than an exercise in complete futility. Unfortunately, this even occurs when working with RAW files. With the G1X M2, on the other hand, adjustments are usually quick and painless whether using the RAW or JPEG. On a side note, if you get a slightly longer shoulder strap for the cam than the ones that comes with it, you'll barely even know it's there.

I found that this is a problem on numerous canon compact cameras I've used. My EOS-M had this problem, the G1X Mark II i tried had this problem, and my G7 X also seems to have this problem. All of them would "beep" to say they confirmed focus lock, but the the picture is not in focus. My S90 is even worse in low light, as it simply won't lock focus. It doesn't confirm to beep though, that's a good thing I guess.

I suspected the G7x would have the same deal as the G1x2.   Often using touch focus helps...but still...not something Canon shouldn't be able to improve.

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rgleich
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Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

Thanks for the perspective:

I see where you're coming-from.

I used to have a pretty decent Pentax Film-SLR, with several nice lenses, that I obtained from a friend who was upgrading to Nikon.  I found lugging the camera and bag-O'-Stuff around to be cumbersome, and seldom used it as a result.

I HAVE played-around with the Baby Sony - and have to admit that it impressed me with the sheer magnitude and amount of technology crammed into that little unit.  However, it seemed a bit small for my hands and I worry about it being a bit fragile - like that nice Swiss watch that I wrecked when I was a kid by wearing it while batting Softball....

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Tom Hoots
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Yes, it is a winner.
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rgleich wrote:

On paper - it sounded like a WINNER

I have been very happy with mine.  I have a G7X on order -- I do like the concept of having Canon image quality from a largish sensor in a camera I can carry in my pocket, everywhere I go.  But, I expect that I'll prefer the G1X Mark II when I go out to do "real" shooting.

As for the RX100 and the RX10, you can have them -- I've got both sitting on my shelf, 100% positively "collecting dust" while I go out with the G1X Mark II, instead.  Here are a few sample shots from my shooting over the summer:

Indoors, outdoors, I've been very satisfied with mine.  I recommend it highly.

For the record, these are all JPEG shots with rather minimal processing -- I usually adjust levels a bit, then crop and resize, then I hit them with a wee bit of unsharp mask.

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telefunk
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I would love to use the G1XII, the slightly larger size seems ideal.

But this focus issue pops up time and again (see DPR + Amazon reviews). I hate a camera I can't rely on to "get the shot" - hello Sony Nex and A6000.... Some people even had problems getting sharp portraits in daylight, the camera focussing on nicer things in the background or a strand of hair in front of the face.

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OzarkAggie Senior Member • Posts: 2,153
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You don't necessarily need to spend much on courses, and there's plenty of tutorials for processing.

Personally I'd like to have the lens off the newer model, but the GX series is compelling.

Biggest fault is the sharpening in JPEGs that leave Halos and the need to apply lens corrections ad hoc.

I like Fuji and their X-trans but I shoot landscape and I can't have my Greens muddled.

Figure out what you want to shoot and then pick the camera that best suits that need.

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Ken53 Senior Member • Posts: 2,270
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rgleich wrote:

Looking into an Upgrade for my lost/stolen G9 - I liked the G9, but I am ready to move-up to something better / more versatile in the Image Quality & Available Light departments.

I'm not sure if I want to lug-around a bunch of different lenses -

If I do, I will probably save-up and jump-ship to Fujifilm X-T1 and enroll in some classes / read a book or two.

If I don't - I have also been considering the Sony RX10, which seems to be a REALLY nice all-rounder, but it has been around for almost a year and I fear that if I plunk-down around a grand, they will inevitibly release the improved version the day after...

I was initially enthralled with previews / reviews of G1X MKII - After using the G9, the learning curve would have been less steep.

However - there seems to be a general lack of "buzz" about this camera. The specs appeared to be good, but was it's thunder stolen by the rapid succession of Sony RX100-I-II-III releases?

It seems that in the Milwaukee area - NONE of even the most ardent Canon Camera Shops have stocked it, so I have yet to get my grubby paws on one. (Maybe due to lackluster sales of Original G1X - which is STILL in stock at several stores, but who wants to buy a "new" camera that is that "long-in-the-tooth" and still has noted shortcomings, which have supposedly been corrected in the NEW version?...)

On paper - it sounded like a WINNER

So, why the seeming lack of interest?

Any input from actual G1X MKII owners would also be appreciated

FWIW, Consumer Reports rated it highest ever. They mentioned that it has received their highest rating ever awarded by them.

It is in one of their recent magazines.

Edit: Oct 2014, Page 47

Ken

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The proof is in the puddin , great photos .

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Scott Skinner
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Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

rgleich wrote:

Looking into an Upgrade for my lost/stolen G9 - I liked the G9, but I am ready to move-up to something better / more versatile in the Image Quality & Available Light departments.

I'm not sure if I want to lug-around a bunch of different lenses -

If I do, I will probably save-up and jump-ship to Fujifilm X-T1 and enroll in some classes / read a book or two.

If I don't - I have also been considering the Sony RX10, which seems to be a REALLY nice all-rounder, but it has been around for almost a year and I fear that if I plunk-down around a grand, they will inevitibly release the improved version the day after...

I was initially enthralled with previews / reviews of G1X MKII - After using the G9, the learning curve would have been less steep.

However - there seems to be a general lack of "buzz" about this camera. The specs appeared to be good, but was it's thunder stolen by the rapid succession of Sony RX100-I-II-III releases?

It seems that in the Milwaukee area - NONE of even the most ardent Canon Camera Shops have stocked it, so I have yet to get my grubby paws on one. (Maybe due to lackluster sales of Original G1X - which is STILL in stock at several stores, but who wants to buy a "new" camera that is that "long-in-the-tooth" and still has noted shortcomings, which have supposedly been corrected in the NEW version?...)

On paper - it sounded like a WINNER

So, why the seeming lack of interest?

Any input from actual G1X MKII owners would also be appreciated

I went from the G6 to the mk2.  Maybe I am enamored by the technological advances, but I am enamored nonetheless.  It is nothing short of a fantastic camera.

After a a couple thousand pictures, I do have one complaint.  It is slow to move from Av priority to manual.  This comes into play about 5 - 10% of the time for me, so it is a real issue.  That said, they will have to pry it out of my hands after I die

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zenfr2009 Senior Member • Posts: 1,209
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At the present time, my MK1 is still good enough ... for me :

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Juksu Regular Member • Posts: 109
Re: G1X MKII - Why the lack of buzz?

When there is a lot of buzz before the camera hits the store, and none afterwards, guess that is a good thing -- mean we are out using the cameras instead of on internet forums complaining about them

Overall I am happy with mine, with few regrets.

Here's some things that come to mind. First: When I got the camera, I thought the white balance was off something horrible, and even using the custom white balance did not help. Luckily, just before I was going to return the camera, I figured that I was still running a version of Adobe DNG professional (I cannot be nothered to u;grade PS every time I get a new camera) which happily converted the CR2s without any mention that the camera only had preliminary support.

My other camera are EOS 60D and I also have an ebay PS S95 to always carry in my pocket. S95 is great, but GX1M2 is miles ahead in picture quality. Also, S95 just takes too long to focus on a moving subject. In good light, GX1M2 focuses fast and good.  On the CONS side, G1XM2 cannot focus on bright lights in dark -- shooting moon or night skyline you *will* be focusing manually, which is a hassle.

Initially, I was going to turn off the touch screen and keep it off.  However, once I tried it, I found I do not want to live if I cannot have one.  The selection of focus point is as easy as touching the screen, and I have the video record button set up to enable/disable shutter by touch.  When this is on, the camera additionally focuses on the selected point and takes a shot.  Compare that to move the focus point-focus-shoot or focus-recompose-shoot, and you are left with incredible freedom to concentrate on the scene rather than operating the camera.

On the con side.  The much-hyped rings around the lens.... I don't much care for them, and especially I don't like how they are implemented in g1xm2.   It's like we are supposed to go back to using aperture ring around the lens, like no one has done since the 90's.  It is just confusing, and with a camera that you hold just above your waist level with the screen tilted up (much more steady than eye level with stretched arms) these controls are hard to access.  An Canon implementation of these suck:  You use the back dial UP to select which function the you want to use, then you have to entirely reposition the camera and your hands to twist the ring in the front.  All while our finger is already on the back control dial which does nothing when rotated, just because the lens ring is the hype.  The rings are customizable, but with limitations; somehow I find that the combinations of functions that I want to assign are almost always unavailable.  I finally settled to:  aperture on the rear wheel, as that is the most accessible; exposure on the click lens ring, and the smooth ring is unused.

With the physical buttons available, the UI could be great, but it fails.  Only two of the back buttons are customizable -- video record button (I have it set up as touch screen shoot on/off, it still works as video record btn when in video shooting mode) and custom button.  I have the custom button as set as CustomWB1, and for the first time with Canon cameras that is set up so it works:  Use this one button to shoot something gray, it measures and -- finally, Canon -- sets the custom white balance instead of asking you to do so.

The manual focus button is right under your thumb, and is really easy to press accidentally.  The inconsistent way the things work makes it easy to accidentally do things: Press Menu or Function, and the pressing rear dial left or right moves the selection.  But press ISO and trying to set the value using rear dial left closes the ISO selection and sets the macro mode instead, because you will now need to rotate the ring.  That is a problem with the too many rings for the rings sake on a camera -- you end up assigning things on the rings just because they are there, even though there would be an easier way.

Another annoying thing, as with all Canon cameras, is how from camera to camera, the available setting for custom menu differ.  This makes it impossible for one to have one single identical menu across the different models.  Now you can no longer have LCD brightness on custom menu!  What is worse, it is in the middle of the settings menu, move to tools menu, and click down nine times to find it.

As you see, my problem with this camera is primarily the UI.  That is something one will get used to, mostly it just annoys me that with the physical buttons available the UI could be so much better than it now is.   When you are out shooting, and hav the things configured in a way they work for you, you will not think about them any more.  Overall the shooting experience is great, and the ease of moving focus point, focusing and shooting on one touch of the screen much compensates for anything else.

Here's how the background blurs on f/2.0 focus 0.7m

Here's the 'wide head' distortion, that one will have to look out for with f/2.0  (Sorry bout the mess, I never post pic of ppl without their permission).  ACR does not have lens correction profile for G1Xm2

Other things I do not like is how the RAW and JPEG are not working together.  When shooting RAW and JPEG, you are unable to use any of the JPEG filters, so what you get is the CR2, and a camera processed JPEG of that CR2 without any JPEG settings applied to it.  Which kind of makes the RAW+JPEG mode pointless.   I would like to shoot RAW and compose the image on grayscale LCD, but I cannot do it on this camera (I cannot do that on my S95 either) I think that is a serious and unnecessary limitation.

Now I've gone ways to point out just everything I would want to have changed in mkIII, but take them in the context that I am overall very happy with this camera, and I have no regrets that I have chosen it.  I pointed out those things just so if you get the chance to play around with one, you can see if they matter to you.  The most important thing for me is that this camera is small enough to easily carry along as opposed to D60 with a 'walkaround' 15-85.  It is wide enough so I can mostly zoom in bit to avoid worst distractions on the edges (Customs settings saves the zoom as well, so you can have the camera turn on at , say 28mm by default, and zoom out if necessary).

If I don't like a camera, I don't take pictures.  Overall, I enjoy using my G1Xm2, I take a lot of picture with it, and I am happy with what I am getting.  At the end of the day, that's all that matter to me.

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lanefAU
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Re: G1X MKII is a Gem.

I have the G1X MII, took it overseas with my D810 and I used my G1X MII mainly for videos and snap shots and I don't regret buying it, even the stills are amazing.

Here is a little video I did at the airport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLgHjWbdGlA&feature=youtu.be

And here is the kind of still this camera can produce.

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