Panasonic 14-140 II OIS jitters when shooting video

Aberaeron wrote:

Have you tried different shutter speed, because I can cause a stutter-like issue with both the G series and Sony A57 with any lens if the shutter speed is inappropriate for the frame rate?

It is good for most people if they dont have issues or recognize faults. My friends recognizes the jitter issue in my otherwise very steady videos. They ask why my 2000 euro/dollar camera makes vibrating videos while their cheaper cameras dont. Even Youtube suggests stabilizing my video saying "your videos are shaky". I have very steady hands. I can shoot pleasing and steady videos with my 100-300mm at 300mm hand held.

If I keep the camera rock steady (hand held) the shutter speed is irrelevant because there is no movement in frame if the OIS is working properly. My 14-42mm MEGA OIS lens works that way and the video is absolutely rock steady and vibration free at any shutter speed. In camera motion the 14-140mm II OIS is still better and the right shutter speed makes movements smoother.

Vesku wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Have you tried different shutter speed, because I can cause a stutter-like issue with both the G series and Sony A57 with any lens if the shutter speed is inappropriate for the frame rate?

It is good for most people if they dont have issues or recognize faults. My friends recognizes the jitter issue in my otherwise very steady videos. They ask why my 2000 euro/dollar camera makes vibrating videos while their cheaper cameras dont. Even Youtube suggests stabilizing my video saying "your videos are shaky". I have very steady hands. I can shoot pleasing and steady videos with my 100-300mm at 300mm hand held.

If I keep the camera rock steady (hand held) the shutter speed is irrelevant because there is no movement in frame if the OIS is working properly. My 14-42mm MEGA OIS lens works that way and the video is absolutely rock steady and vibration free at any shutter speed. In camera motion the 14-140mm II OIS is still better and the right shutter speed makes movements smoother.

I don't "not recognise" a fault. I don't have a fault. Period. Video shows that I don't quite clearly. You have a problem. Fair enough, but your obsession with regurgitating the issue every few months, unprompted by user complaints, over a period of years shows along with your attempt to apply a blame to users, specifically me, for posting a hastily but especially made video immediately after I saw your latest comments, a jitter-free video, shows that the problem may not only be with your lens.

Markr041 wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Vesku wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Have you tried different shutter speed, because I can cause a stutter-like issue with both the G series and Sony A57 with any lens if the shutter speed is inappropriate for the frame rate?

It is good for most people if they dont have issues or recognize faults. My friends recognizes the jitter issue in my otherwise very steady videos. They ask why my 2000 euro/dollar camera makes vibrating videos while their cheaper cameras dont. Even Youtube suggests stabilizing my video saying "your videos are shaky". I have very steady hands. I can shoot pleasing and steady videos with my 100-300mm at 300mm hand held.

If I keep the camera rock steady (hand held) the shutter speed is irrelevant because there is no movement in frame if the OIS is working properly. My 14-42mm MEGA OIS lens works that way and the video is absolutely rock steady and vibration free at any shutter speed. In camera motion the 14-140mm II OIS is still better and the right shutter speed makes movements smoother.

I don't "not recognise" a fault. I don't have a fault. Period. Video shows that I don't quite clearly. You have a problem. Fair enough, but your obsession with regurgitating the issue every few months, unprompted by user complaints, over a period of years shows along with your attempt to apply a blame to users, specifically me, for posting a hastily but especially made video immediately after I saw your latest comments, a jitter-free video, shows that the problem may not only be with your lens.

Sorry, I see jitters in your video whenever you actually try to hold the camera still (which, unfortunately, is rarely). Moving the camera will hide jitters. Jitters are about zero camera motion. You have a fault, you are just hiding it with camera motion.

That is absolute rubbish. There are plenty of instances where the camera is held still in that video and there is no jitter. You should get your eyes tested. Really. There is none. None on the original 1080 and none on the Youtube. I've asked a couple of people whether they can detect any and neither see any even while looking for it specifically.

If you see it, you are imagining it. If you can't see periods when the camera isn't held still, you are not looking hard enough. There is no "hiding it" because there is absolutely nothing to hide. If I was not happy with the lens for video I would use any number of other lenses or cameras I own.

Markr041 wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Vesku wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Have you tried different shutter speed, because I can cause a stutter-like issue with both the G series and Sony A57 with any lens if the shutter speed is inappropriate for the frame rate?

It is good for most people if they dont have issues or recognize faults. My friends recognizes the jitter issue in my otherwise very steady videos. They ask why my 2000 euro/dollar camera makes vibrating videos while their cheaper cameras dont. Even Youtube suggests stabilizing my video saying "your videos are shaky". I have very steady hands. I can shoot pleasing and steady videos with my 100-300mm at 300mm hand held.

If I keep the camera rock steady (hand held) the shutter speed is irrelevant because there is no movement in frame if the OIS is working properly. My 14-42mm MEGA OIS lens works that way and the video is absolutely rock steady and vibration free at any shutter speed. In camera motion the 14-140mm II OIS is still better and the right shutter speed makes movements smoother.

I don't "not recognise" a fault. I don't have a fault. Period. Video shows that I don't quite clearly. You have a problem. Fair enough, but your obsession with regurgitating the issue every few months, unprompted by user complaints, over a period of years shows along with your attempt to apply a blame to users, specifically me, for posting a hastily but especially made video immediately after I saw your latest comments, a jitter-free video, shows that the problem may not only be with your lens.

Sorry, I see jitters in your video whenever you actually try to hold the camera still (which, unfortunately, is rarely). Moving the camera will hide jitters. Jitters are about zero camera motion. You have a fault, you are just hiding it with camera motion.

That is absolute rubbish. There are plenty of instances where the camera is held still in that video and there is no jitter. You should get your eyes tested. Really. There is none. None on the original 1080 and none on the Youtube. I've asked a couple of people whether they can detect any and neither see any even while looking for it specifically.

If you see it, you are imagining it. If you can't see periods when the camera isn't held still, you are not looking hard enough. There is no "hiding it" because there is absolutely nothing to hide. If I was not happy with the lens for video I would use any number of other lenses or cameras I own.

I am glad you're happy. I would suggest holding the camera steady for 10 seconds while shooting 4K, or just stay in denial and move along.

I don't do 4K and my upload speed wouldn't make it practical to post, but I have just shot another 1080 50P short video hand holding as still as possible, No editing, just processed through HandBrake to compress it slightly. Its come out as 720P on Youtube but I can't help that. Why 4K? It has not been a limiting factor up 'till now. So what you are effectively saying is that 1080 isn't a problem? Well it certainly isn't for me, so you'd be correct there. Here we go, shot five minutes ago, fresh for you two and any others to see for themselves whether it is worthy of regurgitating criticism regularly.

https://youtu.be/NyaguvTKIVI

upgraded my G6 to a GX80 and the video output from my 14-140 II is much much improved now not seeing that micro jitter I used to see

still photos much improved too

Aberaeron wrote:

I don't do 4K and my upload speed wouldn't make it practical to post, but I have just shot another 1080 50P short video hand holding as still as possible, No editing, just processed through HandBrake to compress it slightly. Its come out as 720P on Youtube but I can't help that. Why 4K? It has not been a limiting factor up 'till now. So what you are effectively saying is that 1080 isn't a problem? Well it certainly isn't for me, so you'd be correct there. Here we go, shot five minutes ago, fresh for you two and any others to see for themselves whether it is worthy of regurgitating criticism regularly.

https://youtu.be/NyaguvTKIVI

Thank you for testing this phenemenom again. If you cant see any issue dont try to see it harder. Once you see it you see it all the time. The vibration is very small amount of sideways rapid movement, like OIS over reacting the hand movement. I have many clips when the issue is minimal. It is mostly visible in my nature videos when I try to keep the camera very still.

I dont want to tease anyone. I just want to share information and yes I am quite frustrated having very expensive gear not working as I like. I can still correct that vibration completely with Mercalli stab software. It has its own issues too, unfortunately.

zettiness wrote:

This was my first lens with GH4 and from my 3 month trip with the camera I came back with a bunch of ugly jittering footage, even though I used monopod for the most part. It does jitter horribly under all conditions, less so at the wide end (but still notably) and lots and lots on the long end.

I even replaced it and the other one behaves exactly the same.

When I first shot with Canon 70-200mm I couldn't believe how steady OIS can be even at a greater focal lengths. So smooth!

Same with OIS in Panasonic's own 12-35mm or the new 42.5mm -- these might not be the best in class, but they certainly don't ADD jitter, they remove it.

The firmware upgrade 1.1 doesn't helped a bit to alleviate the underlying problem.

For this reason I am only using 14-140mm for photos and since I don't do photos much, might as well sell it..

Most peculiar!

I can only urge anyone who is interested in this lens for video to try it out for themselves. My own two examples don't exhibit this issue on an camera body that I own.

zettiness wrote:

This was my first lens with GH4 and from my 3 month trip with the camera I came back with a bunch of ugly jittering footage, even though I used monopod for the most part. It does jitter horribly under all conditions, less so at the wide end (but still notably) and lots and lots on the long end.

I even replaced it and the other one behaves exactly the same.

When I first shot with Canon 70-200mm I couldn't believe how steady OIS can be even at a greater focal lengths. So smooth!

Same with OIS in Panasonic's own 12-35mm or the new 42.5mm -- these might not be the best in class, but they certainly don't ADD jitter, they remove it.

The firmware upgrade 1.1 doesn't helped a bit to alleviate the underlying problem.

For this reason I am only using 14-140mm for photos and since I don't do photos much, might as well sell it..

Thank you for telling your experience. Earlier I thought I am quite alone with this issue.

I have lost my hope that Panasonic can do something for it.

Left hand in the lens hood and post stabilization gives quite good results.

zettiness wrote:

Yes, I don't understand people ignoring the issue -- indeed, while theoretically good value for money, it's still not the cheapest lens and clearly there is something wrong with the OIS. I don't think Panny will fix the issue at this point, or they would have done it in the firmware upgrade. I wonder if IBIS could alleviate the issue somehow..

What post stabilization do you use? Adobe's Warp Stabilizer doesn't quite fix it, even when I use "No motion" setting. The edges of the image are perfectly static, like on tripod, but some details inside the image are still wobbly, especially strong vertical lines.

I use Mercalli v4. It can correct most rolling shutter jello but not all. It has very many settings. The little OIS jittering goes away usually with "Vibration correction". It is handy because it crops very little or not at all. It is very still slow process.

I definitely see the same problem and it is ugly. I'm guessing it is some sort of incompatibility between the way the lens stabilises and the rolling shutter.

Do you know if the 45-100 2.8 has the same issue.  I was thinking of getting one.

I installed the new FW 1.2 for this lens.

The shake and vibration is the same as earlier so no help.

I wonder why there is so much panic of new G85 IBIS jumps and not many talks about 14-140mm jittering. The jittering shows all the time, the G85 jumps only in pans or some movements.

Vesku wrote:

I installed the new FW 1.2 for this lens.

The shake and vibration is the same as earlier so no help.

I wonder why there is so much panic of new G85 IBIS jumps and not many talks about 14-140mm jittering. The jittering shows all the time, the G85 jumps only in pans or some movements.

Have you tried the lens with a dual IS camera? It's possible the addition of IBIS and digital stabilization will eliminate any jitter with this lens.

If so, it means it's only an issue with unstabilized bodies. Eventually, most Panasonic bodies will have 5-axis IBIS and digital stabilization on top of it, which might make this one of the most stable lenses possible, given that it has Power OIS. Power OIS + 5-axis IBIS + digital stabilization is a killer combo.

glowingshutter wrote:

Vesku wrote:

I installed the new FW 1.2 for this lens.

The shake and vibration is the same as earlier so no help.

I wonder why there is so much panic of new G85 IBIS jumps and not many talks about 14-140mm jittering. The jittering shows all the time, the G85 jumps only in pans or some movements.

Have you tried the lens with a dual IS camera? It's possible the addition of IBIS and digital stabilization will eliminate any jitter with this lens.

If so, it means it's only an issue with unstabilized bodies. Eventually, most Panasonic bodies will have 5-axis IBIS and digital stabilization on top of it, which might make this one of the most stable lenses possible, given that it has Power OIS. Power OIS + 5-axis IBIS + digital stabilization is a killer combo.

So I must sell my GH4 and get a cheap new model to shoot good video ??

I wonder why no review ever noticed that obvious OIS vibration.

Lets see if any review comments the G85 IBIS issue. (DPREVIEW noticed it after intensive whining).

Vesku wrote:

glowingshutter wrote:

Vesku wrote:

I installed the new FW 1.2 for this lens.

The shake and vibration is the same as earlier so no help.

I wonder why there is so much panic of new G85 IBIS jumps and not many talks about 14-140mm jittering. The jittering shows all the time, the G85 jumps only in pans or some movements.

Have you tried the lens with a dual IS camera? It's possible the addition of IBIS and digital stabilization will eliminate any jitter with this lens.

If so, it means it's only an issue with unstabilized bodies. Eventually, most Panasonic bodies will have 5-axis IBIS and digital stabilization on top of it, which might make this one of the most stable lenses possible, given that it has Power OIS. Power OIS + 5-axis IBIS + digital stabilization is a killer combo.

So I must sell my GH4 and get a cheap new model to shoot good video ??

I wonder why no review ever noticed that obvious OIS vibration.

Lets see if any review comments the G85 IBIS issue. (DPREVIEW noticed it after intensive whining).

I wonder why they never noticed that Oly's IBIS actually performs worse than the G85 IBIS, and that the GX85 just apparently has an unusually good IBIS.

I don't recall anyone ever dinging Oly's IBIS or anyone else's IBIS for actually performing worse than the G85. In fact, the G85 is probably the second best performing IBIS, next to the GX85.

And regarding the 14-140 II, it's clear the jitter will never be fixed in your copy of the lens. Is it conceivable that you could just accept it and move on? You've stated that Mercalli works well with your current body. And, if you ever decide to move to a body with 5-axis IBIS, you might find that the dual IS works well on its own.

You do know you're well-known as the "micro-jitter guy" don't you? Do you think you'll ever catch your whale?