Panasonic 14-140 II OIS jitters when shooting video

steve_hoge wrote:

Big D in SP wrote:
The slight "jitter" when holding steady on a single target is not too severe, but even slight panning causes severe and rapid jit-jit-jit-jit-jitter which is very distracting.

Like other Panasonic M43 cameras, the G7 allows the 14-140 to operate in 2 different stabilizer modes, "Normal" and "Panning", as set in the [REC] menu (see the G7 Advanced Manual pg 222).
If you switch to "Panning" mode you should see the jit-jit-jit reduced if not eliminated when panning horizontally.

Than panning mode works only with photos, not with video.

Big D in SP wrote:

Sadly, YES! Just took the 14-140 Mk II on my new G7 out today. The lens is superb for stills, but the videos I shot are terrible. The slight "jitter" when holding steady on a single target is not too severe, but even slight panning causes severe and rapid jit-jit-jit-jit-jitter which is very distracting.

Are you sure that jit jit jit thing is not caused by 24P or 30P stutter when using too high shutter speed? P-mode uses very high video shutter speeds in daylight.

Vesku wrote:

Big D in SP wrote:

Sadly, YES! Just took the 14-140 Mk II on my new G7 out today. The lens is superb for stills, but the videos I shot are terrible. The slight "jitter" when holding steady on a single target is not too severe, but even slight panning causes severe and rapid jit-jit-jit-jit-jitter which is very distracting.

Are you sure that jit jit jit thing is not caused by 24P or 30P stutter when using too high shutter speed? P-mode uses very high video shutter speeds in daylight.

I don't know.  I've been trying different settings, the one I actually use most is 'S' mode, AWB, 1/125, AF-C, 1080P/60fps, Auto ISO.  I haven't yet seen the jit-jit disappear.  I've used the "panning" setting in the menu as was suggested.  No real difference.  Concentrated on very steady pan which seemed to reduce the effect somewhat (which leads me to think I've played some part in it), but, it is still there.

I've done a little "research" and found GH4 threads discussing the shutter rate of video and how the refresh rate of monitors affects the image when viewed which can cause the same effect, but I'm only beginning the search for answers to this situation.

In the meantime, I've just compared the 14-140 to the 14-42 and 45-150 and it is equal or sharper in almost every focal length and f-stop than either of the two.  Additionally, I've had 3 Nikon super zooms over the years (still have two) and a Tamron as well and the Panny bests them all.  Truly a top-notch lens for a very fair price.  The stabilization works great for stills, so if it won't stop the jit-jit-jit, I guess I'll somehow learn to work around it.

Warren

One unfortunate user with G7 and 14-140mm II:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTIDEJpiT8

Vesku wrote:

One unfortunate user with G7 and 14-140mm II:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTIDEJpiT8

Exactly my experience with that lens on a G7/  Love the lens overall for stills and hope Panasonic can address this problem in video and apply a firmware fix.  Now duck, Vesku, for bringing it up again! :-D.......Warren

I tested recently again another GH4 and another copy of that lens. It behaved exactly the same as mine. Fast jittering in hand held video.

I am saying this just to confirm that it is not a "bad copy" issue.

Well if someone could check it with the GX80/85 I would be most appreciative. Either with dual IS or just IBIS.

I'd like the 14-140, but won't buy it until I know for sure this issue is resolved.

cpt kent wrote:

Well if someone could check it with the GX80/85 I would be most appreciative. Either with dual IS or just IBIS.

I'd like the 14-140, but won't buy it until I know for sure this issue is resolved.

I think the GX 85 is the only hope for this lens when shooting hand held video. Just switch the lens OIS off and use IBIS.

One user from Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCuhW2IskSU

"I just returned my G7 with 14-140, the jitter ruined any hope of decent video. It's makes the video totally worthless. It sucks, because I loved the camera otherwise."

cpt kent wrote:

Well if someone could check it with the GX80/85 I would be most appreciative. Either with dual IS or just IBIS.

I'd like the 14-140, but won't buy it until I know for sure this issue is resolved.

There's no particular issue to resolve. I have two of these lenses and use them on two G6 copies, a G7 and a E-M10 and never have this problem. Seldom use the E-M10 for video though. Also use other lenses and can't see any difference in any 'jitter'.

Two instances where I get jitter. One is when shooting video manually with an innaproriate shutter speed for the frame rate. Second is with the G7 shooting 4K when the video tends to stutter on my iMac but is fine when viewed on the camera monitor and a TV set, which has nothing to do with lens chosen.

I shoot almost exclusively hand held. Now exclusively mp4 50p, not AVCHD.

Some people just seem to get obsessed with a single perceived issue. Either that or my two lenses, bought months apart, are very special. I can't believe that.

Compare this video posted some time ago in the posts above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTIDEJpiT8

With one I did earlier this evening just after reading the latest missives in this topic.

Straight out of the camera and compacted for upload with HandBrake with the only editing to the music, because I had Shania Twaine on the ute's radio and Youtube didn't like it [copyright issues].

https://youtu.be/c_rRY88fuss Hope that link works. If not I'll get back to it tomorrow.

I just set the camera to Impressive Art monochrome and shot it completely naturally as any family video would be taken by Joe Blogs. Held it relatively still to mimic the link at the top, did a bit of panning at different rates and a bit of quick zooming. For most of the time I was holding the camera with one hand, as you can see [my other hand] in part of the video.

Its is nothing like the one in the link at the top and I have NEVER seen anything remotely like that with either lens or with either in any combination with my cameras.

Camera is G7 and lens 14/140 MkII

Aberaeron wrote:

Compare this video posted some time ago in the posts above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTIDEJpiT8

With one I did earlier this evening just after reading the latest missives in this topic.

Straight out of the camera and compacted for upload with HandBrake with the only editing to the music, because I had Shania Twaine on the ute's radio and Youtube didn't like it [copyright issues].

https://youtu.be/c_rRY88fuss Hope that link works. If not I'll get back to it tomorrow.

I just set the camera to Impressive Art monochrome and shot it completely naturally as any family video would be taken by Joe Blogs. Held it relatively still to mimic the link at the top, did a bit of panning at different rates and a bit of quick zooming. For most of the time I was holding the camera with one hand, as you can see [my other hand] in part of the video.

Its is nothing like the one in the link at the top and I have NEVER seen anything remotely like that with either lens or with either in any combination with my cameras.

Camera is G7 and lens 14/140 MkII

In your example there is just few seconds when you hold the camera still enough to see that jittering. The quality of that video is also soft and the Youtube 720/50P smooths away the little fast jittering. I would like to see a sharp very stationary (not moving) hand held video shooted with 4k 30P. If there is then no jittering I would say your hands are super steady. The OIS of the 14-140mm II gives quite good results if the user can hold the camera super steady like a sniper rifle.

Vesku wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Compare this video posted some time ago in the posts above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTIDEJpiT8

With one I did earlier this evening just after reading the latest missives in this topic.

Straight out of the camera and compacted for upload with HandBrake with the only editing to the music, because I had Shania Twaine on the ute's radio and Youtube didn't like it [copyright issues].

https://youtu.be/c_rRY88fuss Hope that link works. If not I'll get back to it tomorrow.

I just set the camera to Impressive Art monochrome and shot it completely naturally as any family video would be taken by Joe Blogs. Held it relatively still to mimic the link at the top, did a bit of panning at different rates and a bit of quick zooming. For most of the time I was holding the camera with one hand, as you can see [my other hand] in part of the video.

Its is nothing like the one in the link at the top and I have NEVER seen anything remotely like that with either lens or with either in any combination with my cameras.

Camera is G7 and lens 14/140 MkII

In your example there is just few seconds when you hold the camera still enough to see that jittering. The quality of that video is also soft and the Youtube 720/50P smooths away the little fast jittering. I would like to see a sharp very stationary (not moving) hand held video shooted with 4k 30P. If there is then no jittering I would say your hands are super steady. The OIS of the 14-140mm II gives quite good results if the user can hold the camera super steady like a sniper rifle.

You are in cloud-cuckoo-land. There is no jitter in that video on Youtube or original. There are several points where the camera is held relatively still and also panned to follow an animal and there is NO jitter. It was shot in 1080 50p and only downsized slightly for uploading. NO Youtube smoothing has been applied.

All my videos with that lens are equally smooth within practical expectations.

I don't use 4K and it is irrelevant to the critics of this lens who have never previously mentioned isolating the issue to 4K which is not available on most cameras that are likely to be in the field.

You are obviously obsessed with this issue, seeing as you bring it up without prompting regularly every few months. Your latest post prompted me to take the combination out with no preparation whatsoever and just hand hold it and post it up to prove that I don't have this issue. The video posted shows this 100% and no amount of your scratching around to say that it has jitter actually makes it so. It just doesn't have any jitter. The contrast with the top link, which you provided, cannot be more plain.

I do also use the Sony A57 for video, as well as occasionally, on the spur of the moment, all my other cameras, so I can and do compare.

Aberaeron wrote:

Vesku wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Compare this video posted some time ago in the posts above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTIDEJpiT8

With one I did earlier this evening just after reading the latest missives in this topic.

Straight out of the camera and compacted for upload with HandBrake with the only editing to the music, because I had Shania Twaine on the ute's radio and Youtube didn't like it [copyright issues].

https://youtu.be/c_rRY88fuss Hope that link works. If not I'll get back to it tomorrow.

I just set the camera to Impressive Art monochrome and shot it completely naturally as any family video would be taken by Joe Blogs. Held it relatively still to mimic the link at the top, did a bit of panning at different rates and a bit of quick zooming. For most of the time I was holding the camera with one hand, as you can see [my other hand] in part of the video.

Its is nothing like the one in the link at the top and I have NEVER seen anything remotely like that with either lens or with either in any combination with my cameras.

Camera is G7 and lens 14/140 MkII

In your example there is just few seconds when you hold the camera still enough to see that jittering. The quality of that video is also soft and the Youtube 720/50P smooths away the little fast jittering. I would like to see a sharp very stationary (not moving) hand held video shooted with 4k 30P. If there is then no jittering I would say your hands are super steady. The OIS of the 14-140mm II gives quite good results if the user can hold the camera super steady like a sniper rifle.

You are in cloud-cuckoo-land. There is no jitter in that video on Youtube or original. There are several points where the camera is held relatively still and also panned to follow an animal and there is NO jitter. It was shot in 1080 50p and only downsized slightly for uploading. NO Youtube smoothing has been applied.

Youtube 720/50P has very poor video quality. It smooths and pixelates any movement.

All my videos with that lens are equally smooth within practical expectations.

I don't use 4K and it is irrelevant to the critics of this lens who have never previously mentioned isolating the issue to 4K which is not available on most cameras that are likely to be in the field.

Almost all new Panasonic cameras record 4k. If the 4k quality with that lens is poor it is an issue. Old 14-42mm has no vibration in 4k. It is so good that the vibration with 14-140mm II was a big surprise and disappointment..

You are obviously obsessed with this issue, seeing as you bring it up without prompting regularly every few months. Your latest post prompted me to take the combination out with no preparation whatsoever and just hand hold it and post it up to prove that I don't have this issue. The video posted shows this 100% and no amount of your scratching around to say that it has jitter actually makes it so. It just doesn't have any jitter. The contrast with the top link, which you provided, cannot be more plain.

The 14-140mm II OIS works some times well. In movements it is good. It is only when I am trying to keep camera still (not moving) the small fast vibration is there all the time. When I keep my left hand in the lens hood the OIS gives less vibration. Some times with tele shots the lens goes absolutely crazy. It settless eventually but it may go some kind of "vibration loop" or uncontrolled state. I have double checked this phenomenom with another copies.

I do also use the Sony A57 for video, as well as occasionally, on the spur of the moment, all my other cameras, so I can and do compare.

Vesku wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Vesku wrote:

Aberaeron wrote:

Compare this video posted some time ago in the posts above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTIDEJpiT8

With one I did earlier this evening just after reading the latest missives in this topic.

Straight out of the camera and compacted for upload with HandBrake with the only editing to the music, because I had Shania Twaine on the ute's radio and Youtube didn't like it [copyright issues].

https://youtu.be/c_rRY88fuss Hope that link works. If not I'll get back to it tomorrow.

I just set the camera to Impressive Art monochrome and shot it completely naturally as any family video would be taken by Joe Blogs. Held it relatively still to mimic the link at the top, did a bit of panning at different rates and a bit of quick zooming. For most of the time I was holding the camera with one hand, as you can see [my other hand] in part of the video.

Its is nothing like the one in the link at the top and I have NEVER seen anything remotely like that with either lens or with either in any combination with my cameras.

Camera is G7 and lens 14/140 MkII

In your example there is just few seconds when you hold the camera still enough to see that jittering. The quality of that video is also soft and the Youtube 720/50P smooths away the little fast jittering. I would like to see a sharp very stationary (not moving) hand held video shooted with 4k 30P. If there is then no jittering I would say your hands are super steady. The OIS of the 14-140mm II gives quite good results if the user can hold the camera super steady like a sniper rifle.

You are in cloud-cuckoo-land. There is no jitter in that video on Youtube or original. There are several points where the camera is held relatively still and also panned to follow an animal and there is NO jitter. It was shot in 1080 50p and only downsized slightly for uploading. NO Youtube smoothing has been applied.

Youtube 720/50P has very poor video quality. It smooths and pixelates any movement.

I shot it at 1080 50P not 720. The video is just as steady at 1080 but took me an hour to upload even when compressed by HandBrake.

There is no jitter. Get over it.

All my videos with that lens are equally smooth within practical expectations.

I don't use 4K and it is irrelevant to the critics of this lens who have never previously mentioned isolating the issue to 4K which is not available on most cameras that are likely to be in the field.

Almost all new Panasonic cameras record 4k. If the 4k quality with that lens is poor it is an issue. Old 14-42mm has no vibration in 4k. It is so good that the vibration with 14-140mm II was a big surprise and disappointment..

New cameras do, but until very recently they didn't and you have complained about this since before 4K. The reason I don't shoot 4k is that my iMac can't handle it well and I have no 4K monitoring facility and am quite satisfied with HD quality.

You are obviously obsessed with this issue, seeing as you bring it up without prompting regularly every few months. Your latest post prompted me to take the combination out with no preparation whatsoever and just hand hold it and post it up to prove that I don't have this issue. The video posted shows this 100% and no amount of your scratching around to say that it has jitter actually makes it so. It just doesn't have any jitter. The contrast with the top link, which you provided, cannot be more plain.

The 14-140mm II OIS works some times well. In movements it is good. It is only when I am trying to keep camera still (not moving) the small fast vibration is there all the time. When I keep my left hand in the lens hood the OIS gives less vibration. Some times with tele shots the lens goes absolutely crazy. It settless eventually but it may go some kind of "vibration loop" or uncontrolled state. I have double checked this phenomenom with another copies.

I do also use the Sony A57 for video, as well as occasionally, on the spur of the moment, all my other cameras, so I can and do compare.

All I can say is that it should be obvious that my sample video was taken handheld, on my feet, one handed and while I was dealing with animals, some inquisitive that I had to deal with. There was no effort whatsoever to hold the camera more still than normal and there are several instances where the camera is obviously held relatively still and I can assure you that the OIS helped steady those sections. With no jitter.

I responded once or twice before about this, a good while ago in other topics you started on this subject, which you do quite regularly, but this time I just got hold of my camera and shot a short video on the hoof [pun intended] to see if I could detect that alleged jitter. You see the result. I could go out now and shoot another one in colour and the result would be the same. I have one somewhere of an excavator working, again hand held, which is far more static and in which a much longer focal length is used. There are plenty of static vertical and horizontal lines to judge how steady it records and it is again fine.

I just don't understand how you seem to consistently get such awful results from this lens when I have no problem with two of them and in combination with any of the compatible cameras I use.

Further, I cannot understand why you keep bringing the same thing up month after month and not generally in response to anyone else asking about it.

Aberaeron

I just don't understand how you seem to consistently get such awful results from this lens when I have no problem with two of them and in combination with any of the compatible cameras I use.

Most people seem to have quite low video quality standards. Maybe they have small monitors with bad motion sharpness or they watch videos from living room sofa and the distance is so big that no issues can be seen. This issue is still so widely reported that is is real.

Further, I cannot understand why you keep bringing the same thing up month after month and not generally in response to anyone else asking about it.

Many people has thanked me about telling this issue and thus avoided buying a lens not suitable for hand held video. I have hoped that Panasonic could do something about it by firmware update. The previous version 14-140mm I had 4 FW updates and 3 was about improving OIS. Why they wont/cant do anything for this lens OIS issues?

P.S. I think that my lens OIS has improved a bit after 2 years of use. Maybe the OIS system has wearing or my skills has improved. It still has that rapid sideways vibrating. Tip: Take grip of lens hood and move the camera just a little to mask that vibrating.

Vesku wrote:

Aberaeron

I just don't understand how you seem to consistently get such awful results from this lens when I have no problem with two of them and in combination with any of the compatible cameras I use.

Most people seem to have quite low video quality standards. Maybe they have small monitors with bad motion sharpness or they watch videos from living room sofa and the distance is so big that no issues can be seen. This issue is still so widely reported that is is real.

So it is people's low standards now. Well well!

Yes, the main reporter is yourself, who raises the topic from dead with monotonous regularity

Further, I cannot understand why you keep bringing the same thing up month after month and not generally in response to anyone else asking about it.

Many people has thanked me about telling this issue and thus avoided buying a lens not suitable for hand held video. I have hoped that Panasonic could do something about it by firmware update. The previous version 14-140mm I had 4 FW updates and 3 was about improving OIS. Why they wont/cant do anything for this lens OIS issues?

P.S. I think that my lens OIS has improved a bit after 2 years of use. Maybe the OIS system has wearing or my skills has improved. It still has that rapid sideways vibrating. Tip: Take grip of lens hood and move the camera just a little to mask that vibrating.

Yes, they may well thank you for saving them from an issue that they have never experienced and only trust your word. Panasonic probably have not done anything because, like me, they cannot duplicate the alleged issue and don't see it as being a problem. It could well be a problem under some circumstances, but I can honestly say that I have not experienced those circumstances.

Some proof of this is provided in the ad-hock video that I made and whose link I posted earlier and which you try and dismiss because, variously, you claim it isn't 4K, or isn't 1080 and is 'smoothed' and seemingly because I have 'low standards' in this post. Ridiculous!

Have you tried different shutter speed, because I can cause a stutter-like issue with both the G series and Sony A57 with any lens if the shutter speed is inappropriate for the frame rate?