Panasonic 14-140 II OIS jitters when shooting video

Joe Foreman wrote:

Vesku wrote:

Is there new users with this problem?

I've been shooting a fair bit with this lens lately and I have noticed a variation in the frequency and intensity of the jittering from shot to shot. Unfortunately I can't pinpoint any correlation between settings/environment and the jitters.

Some observations: I think its been previously mentioned but slow pans seem to record with far less jitter than stationary shots with all other things equal. Using a monopod seems to reduce the number of shots that have excessive jittering. Using ExTeleConv exhibits vision with extreme jitter and cmos jello. This situation is improved significantly with power OIS turned off (however good luck holding that shot still at the long end without a tripod).

Generally now when I pull the video off the sd card I have a quick look through all the wilds and then drop the worst offenders in Mercalli V4 and just use quick repair for CMOS jitters or Intensive Repair for ExTeleConv shots + any general stabalizing as required. Not a bad solution but obviously an extra step that shouldn't really be necessary.

Joe.

Thanks for telling your experiences. Sometimes I wonder that I am the only one who sees that issue.

I must stabilize all my handheld clips with Mercalli V4. It is frustrating too because I cant set stabilizing settings before using batch stabilize feature (the batch is fully automatic and does wrong things). If I have to stabilize for example 400 clips it is a very slow process and there is also memory issues in Mercalli. It is very strange that Mercalli has no "save settings" feature. Mercalli also uses super high bitrates even with "medium" codec setting. I have seen almost 300Mbs bitrates with GH4 100Mbs source files. I wonder what "high" might do.

It is strange that I use 100-300mm lens handheld at 300mm and I have no need to stabilize those video clips. With 14-140mm II I must stabilize all the 14mm clips???

Dr_Jon wrote:

Never tried video at 600mm equiv - does it really not suck?

Video handheld with at 300mm (600mm eq) is just OK for me. It is impossible to hold image "locked" but the movement is natural and smooth and there is no horrible fast jitter like with 14-140mm even at 14mm.

I can even shoot 300mm + ex-tele (1440mm eq) handheld and prefer it to 14-140mm II.

When I stabilize 14-140mm II clips things change and the results are very good.

lacix wrote:

I don't have any jitter problem when shooting video with GM5 and the lens 14-140 II OIS!

I tried with different focal lenght!

Really? Handheld?

What shutter speed you use? My jittering issue is less visible at 1/30s-1/50s.

Have you tried to shoot very stationary clip (holding still) handheld?

Have you seen these jittering examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAKHpXpYffU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLNSg3Wz7ps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf1i3Prg8X0

https://vimeo.com/115764239

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLJcesfvNc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ev14Zn7a2I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO5DtFM9vkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwIj...p-ax4fLspsNtEp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlGSjthkgzo

So, after some deliberation, I settled for the older version 14-140 F/4.0-5.8. I got a pre-owned copy and it seems to be fine. I did not notice any jitter in the small test video that I took.

Fredrik Gløckner made an OIS comparison of 1 and 2 versions of that lens:

http://m43photo.blogspot.fi/2015/05/lumix-14-140mm-ois-jitter.html#more

He said that he cant see the difference of lenses or any significant vibration in mk2 version. " I don't see any adverse jitter effects with any of the lenses."

The Youtube sample is the new 1080P50 and the compression is so bad that there is no details to see any micro jitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAebHclAas

The sample is also shooted with constant panning and moving so the micro jitter which exists only in stationary clips cant be seen. I would be happy to see a stationary comparison with 4k 30P or at least 1080 30P in Youtube.

I watched my jittery GH4/ 14-140 II clips with 4k tv and I think the jitter was a bit less disturbing in 4k because tv showed native resolution without down scaling issues and because motion enhancement smoothed or averaged the jitter too.

I hope that now when G7 4k kits with that lens comes people would notice that issue and Panasonic will make a FW fix.

Fredrik Glckner wrote:

AdamT wrote:

Keep Whining Vesku - it worked for the 35-100 !!

Did the firmware update reallu change that much? I have before/after footage here, and there is a quite small difference in the video performance:

Why did you make a new test of 14-140mm lenses video OIS with panning and moving clips because the jitter issue is reported to occur just in stationary hand held video clips? Can you test also stationary clips?

http://m43photo.blogspot.fi/2015/05/lumix-14-140mm-ois-jitter.html#more

I just waded through this long thread and, to be honest, it spooked me a little bit. I realize it's an old thread and there may be updated versions of the 14-140 II on the G7.

I'm hoping someone can help me with a decision I have to make. I have a G7 on order, primarily to take advantage of the 4K photo modes. I have 4K in my FZ1000 and find that pulling stills from the 4K is just a great way to get the perfect attitude on animals and birds.

Right now, I have ordered the G7 w/14-140mm, but am seriously considering a change to the 14-42 and adding a zoom lens to the bundle. I used m43 several years ago and had the 45-175mm. I liked it fine. I have never used the 45-150mm or the 45-200mm, though both seem to get good reviews.

Question for users,....which of these lenses is most likely to give me good results with the 4K video. Another way of asking that is which lens has the best image stabilization?

I'll appreciate any input. Thanks!

Jack

Here, I have a rather long 4K video recorded with the GH4 and 14-140mm II and the 100-300mm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY0-GHGO2C4

Much of it was recorded on a tripod, but 2:05 - 2.40 is handheld, with the 14-140mm II. Do you see any jittering?

Corkcampbell wrote:

Note: I have the 45-175 and like it.

Hi Cork,...thanks for the 45-175mm comments. I enjoyed the lens when I had it several years ago. I strayed from M43 but am back now, waiting for the G7.

Jack

Fredrik Glckner wrote:

Here, I have a rather long 4K video recorded with the GH4 and 14-140mm II and the 100-300mm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY0-GHGO2C4

Much of it was recorded on a tripod, but 2:05 - 2.40 is handheld, with the 14-140mm II. Do you see any jittering?

Fredrik,.....thanks for posting that video. If it has any jitters in it, these old eyes sure can't see them. My buddy has the G7 on order with this lens. He'll be impressed and this will probably give him confidence that he's made the right choice.

Sure would be nice to find a You Tube or something showing the 14-140 shooting 4K with the G7 or maybe the GH4.

Jack

Setter Dog wrote:

Fredrik Glckner wrote:

Here, I have a rather long 4K video recorded with the GH4 and 14-140mm II and the 100-300mm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY0-GHGO2C4

Much of it was recorded on a tripod, but 2:05 - 2.40 is handheld, with the 14-140mm II. Do you see any jittering?

Fredrik,.....thanks for posting that video. If it has any jitters in it, these old eyes sure can't see them. My buddy has the G7 on order with this lens. He'll be impressed and this will probably give him confidence that he's made the right choice.

There are some "jitters" in the video that I can see, but they are from the sequences shot with the 100-300mm lens at 300mm on a tripod, and are due to using a too light tripod. At this very long focal length, a very sturdy tripod is needed for the ultimate stability.

Setter Dog wrote:

Fredrik Glckner wrote:

Here, I have a rather long 4K video recorded with the GH4 and 14-140mm II and the 100-300mm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY0-GHGO2C4

Much of it was recorded on a tripod, but 2:05 - 2.40 is handheld, with the 14-140mm II. Do you see any jittering?

I can see that rapid little vibration in your example. There is much subject movement in foreground but the background is not stable. The AF is breathing and there may even be some post stabilization but I can still see that familiar jittering.

Fredrik,.....thanks for posting that video. If it has any jitters in it, these old eyes sure can't see them. My buddy has the G7 on order with this lens. He'll be impressed and this will probably give him confidence that he's made the right choice.

Sure would be nice to find a You Tube or something showing the 14-140 shooting 4K with the G7 or maybe the GH4.

Jack

You dont need 4k to see that jittering. Try these links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAKHpXpYffU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLNSg3Wz7ps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf1i3Prg8X0

https://vimeo.com/115764239

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLJcesfvNc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ev14Zn7a2I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO5DtFM9vkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwIj...p-ax4fLspsNtEp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlGSjthkgzo

The jitters are there for sure. I have been using this lens as my primary lens while traveling for the past 6 months and you will see the jitters once you are trying to take a stationary video. I will link a clip so you can see it.

It took me a while to actually notice the jitter, but after I did I can see it in almost every clip people have posted. Vesku has a thread and picked random videos to show in it and when I first watched those clips prior to him posting about the jitter I thought they looked amazing and I never noticed it. Once I was made aware of the jitter I notice it ever time.

My question is in Photoshop for post editing, how are you guys fixing the jitter? Which settings are you finding you have to use to remove it?

Thank you

Look at all the shots in here : https://vimeo.com/129635294

What happens when those lenses are in the same tripod rig. Canon is very steady but Panasonic vibrates very ugly in TRIPOD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQlAvRuTYIQ