Panasonic 14-140 II OIS jitters when shooting video

Vesku wrote:

I have made a same kind of topic in Digital video talk but there seems to be little interest.

Sorry for repeating my issue here but I dont know what I must do.

Vesku, you've been spraying threads and forums with this question for weeks now.   If anyone here was in a position to help you I think you'd have received a response by now.

Sean Nelson wrote:

Vesku, you've been spraying threads and forums with this question for weeks now. If anyone here was in a position to help you I think you'd have received a response by now.

That is true. But this is big issue for me. I have almost useless lens which I cant return because probably it works "normally". I just dont get it why people buy very expensive gear and then dont care if those works badly. I am pretty sure that this issue is global but people just dont figure it. Am I the only one in the world who watches critically videos.

I dont think that anyone can help me but if Panasonic sees that users are not happy with their gear they are in the position to make a FW fix. It was the case with 12-35mm lens. It has a ridiculous bug and people asked Panasonic for an update. They said for a long time that the 12-35mm lens is working properly. One day the FW fix occurred and the problem was solved. Thats how it works.

If someone buys a 200 dollars camcorder and video jitters it would be instantly a bad thing. Why is it not with 2000 dollars high end hybrid camera?

macropaul wrote:

http://vimeo.com/99947534 Shot most of this with gh4 and 14-140mm mk2 ,don't notice micro jitters ,just the usual movement of camera problems and some manual focus adjustments ,mind you filming next to a Indy car is enough to make any camera jitter?

Thanks for that info.

That vimeo 1280 version is kind of soft. It is hard to see that jitter and you seem to have very steady hand and shooting style. Jitter is not showing in moving camera shots. I can still see very little fast jitter in your stationary parts of that video. It is not disturbing.

If your lens is not jittering at all when shooting stationary (not moving camera) shots either you have some kind of rig or very steady hands or a working lens. I can not hold my GH4/lens so steady that it is not jittering. In tripod jittering stops.

I wish I could get another copy of that lens for my own tests.

macropaul wrote:

Sorry that video was shot on a monopod

Still a problem that panasonic should sort ,to be honest I've not noticed the jitter that pronounced that I've seen

Also seen some issues with the 35-100mm on other forums almost tempted to get the 45-175mm it seems less problematic

here s some hand held shots at duxford with 35-100mm don't have any with the 14-140mm mk2 on Vimeo handhelds

http://vimeo.com/106423021

Than you for telling me about monopod. I was thinking that my handheld shooting skills are bad.

Your 35-100mm example has so much camera motion that it is impossible to see jitter mixed with it. It shows in stationary shots.

Sean Nelson wrote:

Vesku wrote:

I have made a same kind of topic in Digital video talk but there seems to be little interest.

Sorry for repeating my issue here but I dont know what I must do.

Vesku, you've been spraying threads and forums with this question for weeks now.

He may be "spraying" this question, but it makes it easier for potential buyers of this lens to find reference to this potentially deal-killing problem.  It's called dissemination of useful information, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates it.  If he hadn't "sprayed" it here, I might never have seen it.

If anyone here was in a position to help you I think you'd have received a response by now.

This seems to be a widespread problem with various Panasonic zoom lenses.

Here's a comment on the f/2.8 35-100mm, by a B&H customer: "Optical is just as good as the 12-35 brother.However I am not as satisfied as with the 12-35 lens.The main reason is the OIS. When handheld, it produce some weird vibration in the footage. It does not look pleasing in video. I first thought I got a bad copy. But after tried second copy, it produce same effect. Kind disappointed of the OIS. It has no impact on photo side. But for video, it is definitely a drawback."

bs1946 wrote:

This note is from the user's guide that came with my Panasonic 35-100mm f/2.8 Power OIS lens. I'm sure the same applies to all of the Panasonic OIS lenses.

≥ The stabilizer function may not be effective in the

following cases.

–When there is a lot of jitter.

–When the zoom magnification is high.

–When using the digital zoom.

– When taking pictures while following a moving subject.

–When the shutter speed becomes slower to take

pictures indoors or in dark places.

Thanks for tips.

Unfortunately those instructions has nothing to do with the micro jitter we are seeing in certain POWER OIS lenses. The jitter we are complaining is present at widest end of the lens and in good light and when there is minimal amount of "hand jitter".

Panasonic is reacting for OIS jitter problems. They made a FW fix for 35-100mm. I hope they wiil also fix the Panasonic 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 jitter issue. Somehow the problem may be GH3/GH4 related.

FW fix for 35-100mm:

2015/1/21 Improved the stability of O.I.S.[Optical Image Stabilizer] in Motion Picture recording (When using DMC-GH3/GH4)

http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/dl/hs35100.html

Vesku wrote:

Panasonic is reacting for OIS jitter problems. They made a FW fix for 35-100mm. I hope they wiil also fix the Panasonic 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 jitter issue. Somehow the problem may be GH3/GH4 related.

FW fix for 35-100mm:

2015/1/21 Improved the stability of O.I.S.[Optical Image Stabilizer] in Motion Picture recording (When using DMC-GH3/GH4)

http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/dl/hs35100.html

...stop whining is aces in my book.

I finally got an answer from Panasonic factory about my questions of Panasonic 14-140 f3.5-5.6 OIS jittering in video. They said that my many jittering example videos looks normal and the OIS seems to work in factory standards (pretty low standards) and there is nothing wrong.

It is not a surprise, what else they can say. They said the same thing about 35-100 f2.8 but still they made the FW fix. Now they still cant say that they have not heard about the issue.

AdamT wrote:

...stop whining is aces in my book.

It`s the squeaky wheel which gets the grease ..... Shutting him up will only let Panasonic get away with it, the more people whine, the better chance of panny fixing it .... don't you want that ?

Keep Whining Vesku - it worked for the 35-100 !!

I find his views to be unbalanced. He personally uses Panasonic. He freely admits that he doesn't believe any other manufacturer competes for his purposes. Yet 90% or more of his posts are about how crappy Panasonic lenses are. He even used a generic thread about Panasonic lenses started by one of our mods to express his view that Panasonic produces crappy lenses.

I find this type of behavior obnoxious in all honesty. I have no problem with someone who takes a more balanced view, but this guy goes into every thread about the 35-100, 14-140 mark II, and every generic Panasonic lens thread and tries to convince people not to buy them.

He rarely, if ever, talks up Panasonic's good features, the way he talks down the things he doesn't like about a couple of their lenses. He routinely bumps threads that he started (such as this one) to keep them on the front page.

He's not simply going with the flow. He has a purposeful agenda to try to disrupt as many threads as he can.

And he personally had nothing to do with the 35-100 firmware update. That was handled by people who are generally more well-adjusted and who take a more balanced view. EVERY lens manufacturer has problems with a few of their lenses, but they don't all have a guy like Vesku around trying to convince people not to buy them at every turn.

From my perspective, Panasonic has quite a few lenses that are completely unmatched by any other manufacturer, and, as you've noted, the video jitter issue aside, I don't know of any other manufacturer that has a 10x zoom with the optical quality of the 14-140 mark II. This lens entirely unprecedented optically, and the overwhelming opinion we get on this lens is Vesku's slanted view of it's video jitter, which I don't believe is universal BTW. I think we deserve better than this, honestly.

This is a phenomenal lens, even with the video jitter present on some of them. Olympus has nothing like it, and neither does Sony or CaNikon.

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Bobby Rue Goldberg wrote:

AdamT wrote:

...stop whining is aces in my book.

It`s the squeaky wheel which gets the grease ..... Shutting him up will only let Panasonic get away with it, the more people whine, the better chance of panny fixing it .... don't you want that ?

Keep Whining Vesku - it worked for the 35-100 !!

I find his views to be unbalanced. He personally uses Panasonic. He freely admits that he doesn't believe any other manufacturer competes for his purposes. Yet 90% or more of his posts are about how crappy Panasonic lenses are. He even used a generic thread about Panasonic lenses started by one of our mods to express his view that Panasonic produces crappy lenses.

I find this type of behavior obnoxious in all honesty. I have no problem with someone who takes a more balanced view, but this guy goes into every thread about the 35-100, 14-140 mark II, and every generic Panasonic lens thread and tries to convince people not to buy them.

He rarely, if ever, talks up Panasonic's good features, the way he talks down the things he doesn't like about a couple of their lenses. He routinely bumps threads that he started (such as this one) to keep them on the front page.

He's not simply going with the flow. He has a purposeful agenda to try to disrupt as many threads as he can.

And he personally had nothing to do with the 35-100 firmware update. That was handled by people who are generally more well-adjusted and who take a more balanced view. EVERY lens manufacturer has problems with a few of their lenses, but they don't all have a guy like Vesku around trying to convince people not to buy them at every turn.

...overwhelming opinion we get on this lens is Vesku's slanted view of it's video jitter, which I don't believe is universal BTW. I think we deserve better than this, honestly.

I didnt know I am so bad person. I thought this is technical forum and for sharing information about camera gear. I have nothing against any people here. I want information about very annoying lens issue I have. If we will have the possible fix I think it benefits us all. Now I know that it is possible to make a FW fix because 35-100 POWER OIS is good now.