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Very poor image quality from G1x MK 2 (in my opinion!)

Started Aug 31, 2014 | Questions
jaggedhorizon Veteran Member • Posts: 3,104
Re: OP has a very poor opinion. Needs education.
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I have the G1x MkII and I'm happy with it.

However, the tone of some of the responses (by no means all) seems to go too far in attacking the OP.

To the OP: could you give more info on what you compare the G1x Mk2 with? (DSLR, and if so which one and with what lens? other premium compacts?).  My experience is that the image quality, when processing RAWs, is heads and shoulders above that of small sensors.  I'd be happy if it comes close to that of a DSLR in this package.  I wouldn't expect it to equal a larger sensor with a good prime.

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David Franklin Senior Member • Posts: 1,692
Re: Very poor image quality from G1x MK 2 (in my opinion!)
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The images you showed were not very attractive representations of people who I assume were close to you, and I can understand your disappointment with the results. However, the camera itself does not seem to be the problem. The images, besides the already mentioned problems with over-sharpening, also feature some very unappealing highlights on your subjects skin, which make them appear to be "wet" in spots on their faces, necks, upper chests and shoulders. These are merely burned highlights caused by very out-of-DR natural lighting ratios on the high end and, more frequently, your direct flash. If one's subjects have ever so slightly damp skin, typical of times when the summer sun is strong and shining directly on them, then the inherent un-attractiveness of direct flash is magnified in it's ill affects. This ads to the "brittle" look of the over-sharpening to give an overall poor quality look to the images. The color pallet of your images either looks correct to you, or not, but can be varied by use of Jpeg settings, or, more importantly, various settings in a raw converter like DPP or Lightroom/Camera Raw. Shoot raw, experiment and use your best judgment.

Other fixes possible: Offer a dry towel to your subjects just before shooting and/or dry appearing make-up, usually for the ladies only; this helps, but is an incomplete solution, usually to be combined with one of the following ideas. Turn your subject so that the sun is, at most, only back/top lighting their hair, if it is dark hair, and front/side light their faces with a more diffused (read here: "bigger" and more evenly lit surface area and "closer") light source which will create broader and more transparent highlights on your subjects' skin. Or, shoot in the shade. with just a dollop of front flash, keeping in mind that the sunlit background is liable to be blown out, which is, in itself, most times good, but sometimes bad. There are lots of other solutions, and, with perseverance, you can find them. Keep working at it.

Your camera is a relatively good one. Coincidentally, I just browsed through the latest issue of Consumer Reports on my local news stand, and, lo and behold, the G1X Mark II was given the highest quality rating it has ever given any camera of any type, an amazing fact. It's true that Consumer Reports may not rate cameras the same way that enthusiast web sites and magazines do, but it does indicate that from a purely mass consumer viewpoint, the camera is truly excellent, in and of itself. Regardless, you will get results from it, if you develop the commensurate skills, that will yield scarcely less quality than a typical APS-C DSLR, while being much more compact and lightweight, when aperture and lens range are considered.

Good luck.

Regards,

David

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boogieboogie Regular Member • Posts: 199
Re: Very poor image quality from G1x MK 2 (in my opinion!)

oxon1 wrote:

Camera worth £700 , could have done better ?? I was going to buy it but ...... awaiting 1" sensor compact.

Wait for a camera with a smaller sensor?

Mark B.
Mark B. Forum Pro • Posts: 29,748
Re: Very poor image quality from G1x MK 2 (in my opinion!)
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1. Why are you viewing the images at 200%?

2. Why, in these situations, did you not shoot at ISO 100?  There wasn't any reason to shoot at 320 and 250.

B1ackhat Senior Member • Posts: 1,980
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OP,

I think the GIX M2 produces decent images, though perhaps not as good as I would expect for this size sensor.  If Canon had produced this exact camera with a Sony sensor, I think I would have been more impressed.  Also, Canon has a longstanding history of producing a somewhat soft focus so love it or hate it, it's one of Canon's signatures and is present on all of their cameras.  That said, I can see no purpose in enlarging the image to twice its maximum size.  Surely you're not going to print it like that or view it on your TV like that.  If your still unhappy with the prints or in whatever final viewing medium you're going to use, then perhaps sell it and cut your losses.

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Olga Johnson Forum Pro • Posts: 24,360
This thread is about specific issue
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This is not a thread for comparing cameras. The OP has a specific issue that he described. He has not asked for comparisons.  So don't lose sight of the thread's subject.

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Mark B. Forum Pro • Posts: 29,748
Re: This thread is about specific issue

Olga Johnson wrote:

This is not a thread for comparing cameras. The OP has a specific issue that he described. He has not asked for comparisons. So don't lose sight of the thread's subject.

Couldn't agree more.  Unfortunately the OP has not been back to address any of the questions or suggestions offered.

boogisha
boogisha Senior Member • Posts: 2,858
RAW files processed using Lightroom 5.4, a quick try

Graham Whiles wrote:

I'm also posting a dropbox link to the original JPEG files and also the .cr2 RAW files if anyone is interested to download them.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mzk61s7tl1cv6ku/AADGnfw3cQVKFpePJBCEoPzoa?dl=0

Hi Graham Whiles, while I don`t own the camera, and I`m still an amateur, I wanted to give a quick try to the RAW images you uploaded, using Lightroom 5.4.

In my humble opinion, and with my limited editing skills, RAW processed JPEGs still look much better to me than the original JPEGs - which I find to be expected.

Even though I understand and respect the idea of shooting JPEGs, I think that for getting the most (or at least much more than from straight-out-of-camera JPEGs) out of your equipment, and G1X MK2 sure is a capable piece, processing RAW files to your liking is still needed.

What do you think?

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OP Graham Whiles Forum Member • Posts: 90
Re: Very poor image quality from G1x MK 2 (in my opinion!)

Ranlee wrote:

I don't care for DPP. The default sharpening is too strong and I think NR is a bit heavy also. Try this in DPP - import the raw file and backoff the sharpening to #1. Zero out fineness and threshold and in NR back off luminance to #1 and see how that looks to you. For me, that comes pretty close to the default LR output with 20 luminance NR added since there is none to begin with.

Similarily, the OOC jpg's are also too sharp in my opinion. If you are not shooting RAW you can use custom colors to turn that down and also you can and should (again in my opinion) turn NR to the lowest level. Unfortunately, doing so will not affect jpg output when shooting both Raw and Jpg. Canon could use a swift kick in the ass for continuing that nonsense. There is no reason I can see that jpg preferences shouldn't be implemented even when Raw and jpg are both being shot.

Anyway, try that with DPP and see if you think its better.

Just getting around to replying to some of the replies to my original thread, apologies to all but I've just not had the time to get onto Dprevew recently.

Randy I concur with you 100% when you say the sooc JPEGS are too sharp, way too sharp in my opinion and they look a bit false. I've gone in via custom colours and nocked the sharpening back to the minimum with the result that out of camera result and much more to my liking. Like you I think you should be able to alter JPEG parameters even if shooting in RAW & JPEG simultaneously.

I followed your suggestion for DPP and liked the results, though from the general tone of feedback to my original post I'm guessing  that Lightroom is favoured over many for RAW conversion. I might make the investment. I've used DPP going right back to having my first DSLR, a 20d back in 2005 and haven't really considered anything else based on the fact I'd have to spend money for any other software.

Thanks for your thoughts/input.

Graham

OP Graham Whiles Forum Member • Posts: 90
Re: RAW files processed using Lightroom 5.4, a quick try

boogisha wrote:

Graham Whiles wrote:

I'm also posting a dropbox link to the original JPEG files and also the .cr2 RAW files if anyone is interested to download them.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mzk61s7tl1cv6ku/AADGnfw3cQVKFpePJBCEoPzoa?dl=0

Hi Graham Whiles, while I don`t own the camera, and I`m still an amateur, I wanted to give a quick try to the RAW images you uploaded, using Lightroom 5.4.

In my humble opinion, and with my limited editing skills, RAW processed JPEGs still look much better to me than the original JPEGs - which I find to be expected.

Even though I understand and respect the idea of shooting JPEGs, I think that for getting the most (or at least much more than from straight-out-of-camera JPEGs) out of your equipment, and G1X MK2 sure is a capable piece, processing RAW files to your liking is still needed.

What do you think?

Thanks for taking the trouble to have a tweek of the original files and yes I like the results, which just goes to strengthen the case for me buying Lightroom and ditching DPP ! Graham

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seri_art Veteran Member • Posts: 3,063
Re: Very poor image quality from G1x MK 2 (in my opinion!)

Here's a quick RAW conversion of #1 using DPP. No NR.

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Re: Very poor image quality from G1x MK 2 (in my opinion!)
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skyform Regular Member • Posts: 257
Re: RAW files processed using Lightroom 5.4, a quick try

boogisha wrote:

Graham Whiles wrote:

I'm also posting a dropbox link to the original JPEG files and also the .cr2 RAW files if anyone is interested to download them.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mzk61s7tl1cv6ku/AADGnfw3cQVKFpePJBCEoPzoa?dl=0

Hi Graham Whiles, while I don`t own the camera, and I`m still an amateur, I wanted to give a quick try to the RAW images you uploaded, using Lightroom 5.4.

In my humble opinion, and with my limited editing skills, RAW processed JPEGs still look much better to me than the original JPEGs - which I find to be expected.

Even though I understand and respect the idea of shooting JPEGs, I think that for getting the most (or at least much more than from straight-out-of-camera JPEGs) out of your equipment, and G1X MK2 sure is a capable piece, processing RAW files to your liking is still needed.

What do you think?

This just shows how poor Canon's JPG engine lately is, especialy for skin, way too much NR, the newer G7X is showing similar problems.

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