Too much image noise after processing? please critique.

Started Aug 25, 2014 | Discussions
Mr McClicky
OP Mr McClicky Regular Member • Posts: 195
Re: Too much image noise after processing? please critique.

billythek wrote:

billythek wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

. Btw I do have the raw file.

If you want us to play with it, put it in a dropbox link.

If you don't mind, that would be very interesting to me, awesome! Im new to dpr so the dropbox is new one to me, but I'll figure it out, thanks.

Rafe

Dropbox is outside DPR. Just go to dropbox.com and they will give you instructions on how to get setup. It is free. Then after you have uploaded the RAW file to dropbox, they will give you a link that you can insert into a post here, and people can download the picture from the link. It is easy.

Oh ok, Great! I'll try it right now, thanks again.

Rafe

I'll look for it tomorrow. Time for bed for me.

Hey Bill, thanks again for your offer. In taking you up on your offer here is the link to the dragonfly image and I even through in a couple of other takes that you may find challenging. Thanks again for taking the time to work on the image, I hope that I'm posting it correctly here if not let me know and I'll correct it. I'm curious to see what you come with. Im learning so much from you guys and I truly appreciate all your help.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ulhci893u0pesq/dagonfly%20for%20dropbox.NEF?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kac9rprt4cyaaxl/DSC_1775.NEF?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvqi1umqsrd5f47/original%20dragonfly%20on%20fence.NEF?dl=0

Cheers

Rafe

OK, here is after conversion in DxO using PRIME noise reduction.

And this is after applying some Nik filters:

Are you a magician? AMAZING! I think its beautiful, both of them but the Nik filter is my favorite. Its like a photograph inside a painting. Recomposing it like that took a minute to grow on me but when it finally did I realize that its genius! Its given so much more depth to a depth of field less ? image. It almost looks 3dimentional.

How long did it take you? What is DxO and Nik filters, is that in photoshop? Even the back ground CA looks more appealing to me, I love it. Sorry if I gush but helping to capture a nice image like this 2 months after getting into dslr photography at my age feels great. I wish I would have been a bit steadier to avoid that bit of background vibration but with the image enhancements you made makes it so easy to overlook, it almost seems intentional. Its so cool how coincidentally the dragon's colors are basically the only ones found to some degree in the background, right down to the speck of blue down in the corner. Great job Bill Thanks!

Rafe

As for the composition, I just cropped to the rule of thirds. It's a compulsion I have that often works out.

I didn't spend much time doing this at all. From the time I downloaded the RAW file to when I posted was about 15 min.

I subscribe to the $10/month Photoshop+Lightroom package from Adobe, but I didn't use the capabilities of those programs much for this picture other than as a platform to launch plug-ins.

I recently purchased the stand alone PS element version about a week ago, do you think its worth me getting the online version? I really want learn to get better.

Nik, which is one such plug-in package took a big price drop about a year or two ago after being acquired by Google. It is well worth getting in my opinion.

DxO Optics Pro is a program that can be used either standalone or as a plug-in to Lightroom. I used DxO for the RAW conversion because it's "lens softness" sharpening method works well for sharpening without creating halos, and the PRIME noise reduction is great for eliminating noise while preserving detail. Also note that it completely eliminated the CA color band on the top edge of the wings that were in your original conversions.

I didn't really see it on the wings but I did see something going on with the background that is lessened now. What do you think would cause that CA? I seem to be getting it on several of the pictures I been taking, mainly the ones with shallow focus but sometimes even with deeper focused ones.

I didn't spend any time cleaning up extraneous details in Photoshop like I probably would if this were my own picture. I just wanted to show the effect using a different RAW conversion flow can make.

Can you elaborate a bit on this, what different conversion flow?

I might have also played with the colors and lighting some more in Lightroom, but that is just a matter of taste.
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- Bill

Thanks again Bill, BTW anyway I can get a file of this my gallery?

Rafe

I'm away from my computer at the moment, but I can do it over the weekend.
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- Bill

Great thanks again!

Rafe

billythek Veteran Member • Posts: 5,260
Re: Too much image noise after processing? please critique.

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

billythek wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

. Btw I do have the raw file.

If you want us to play with it, put it in a dropbox link.

If you don't mind, that would be very interesting to me, awesome! Im new to dpr so the dropbox is new one to me, but I'll figure it out, thanks.

Rafe

Dropbox is outside DPR. Just go to dropbox.com and they will give you instructions on how to get setup. It is free. Then after you have uploaded the RAW file to dropbox, they will give you a link that you can insert into a post here, and people can download the picture from the link. It is easy.

Oh ok, Great! I'll try it right now, thanks again.

Rafe

I'll look for it tomorrow. Time for bed for me.

Hey Bill, thanks again for your offer. In taking you up on your offer here is the link to the dragonfly image and I even through in a couple of other takes that you may find challenging. Thanks again for taking the time to work on the image, I hope that I'm posting it correctly here if not let me know and I'll correct it. I'm curious to see what you come with. Im learning so much from you guys and I truly appreciate all your help.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ulhci893u0pesq/dagonfly%20for%20dropbox.NEF?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kac9rprt4cyaaxl/DSC_1775.NEF?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvqi1umqsrd5f47/original%20dragonfly%20on%20fence.NEF?dl=0

Cheers

Rafe

OK, here is after conversion in DxO using PRIME noise reduction.

And this is after applying some Nik filters:

Are you a magician? AMAZING! I think its beautiful, both of them but the Nik filter is my favorite. Its like a photograph inside a painting. Recomposing it like that took a minute to grow on me but when it finally did I realize that its genius! Its given so much more depth to a depth of field less ? image. It almost looks 3dimentional.

How long did it take you? What is DxO and Nik filters, is that in photoshop? Even the back ground CA looks more appealing to me, I love it. Sorry if I gush but helping to capture a nice image like this 2 months after getting into dslr photography at my age feels great. I wish I would have been a bit steadier to avoid that bit of background vibration but with the image enhancements you made makes it so easy to overlook, it almost seems intentional. Its so cool how coincidentally the dragon's colors are basically the only ones found to some degree in the background, right down to the speck of blue down in the corner. Great job Bill Thanks!

Rafe

As for the composition, I just cropped to the rule of thirds. It's a compulsion I have that often works out.

I didn't spend much time doing this at all. From the time I downloaded the RAW file to when I posted was about 15 min.

I subscribe to the $10/month Photoshop+Lightroom package from Adobe, but I didn't use the capabilities of those programs much for this picture other than as a platform to launch plug-ins.

I recently purchased the stand alone PS element version about a week ago, do you think its worth me getting the online version? I really want learn to get better.

Nik, which is one such plug-in package took a big price drop about a year or two ago after being acquired by Google. It is well worth getting in my opinion.

DxO Optics Pro is a program that can be used either standalone or as a plug-in to Lightroom. I used DxO for the RAW conversion because it's "lens softness" sharpening method works well for sharpening without creating halos, and the PRIME noise reduction is great for eliminating noise while preserving detail. Also note that it completely eliminated the CA color band on the top edge of the wings that were in your original conversions.

I didn't really see it on the wings but I did see something going on with the background that is lessened now. What do you think would cause that CA? I seem to be getting it on several of the pictures I been taking, mainly the ones with shallow focus but sometimes even with deeper focused ones.

I didn't spend any time cleaning up extraneous details in Photoshop like I probably would if this were my own picture. I just wanted to show the effect using a different RAW conversion flow can make.

Can you elaborate a bit on this, what different conversion flow?

I might have also played with the colors and lighting some more in Lightroom, but that is just a matter of taste.
--
- Bill

Thanks again Bill, BTW anyway I can get a file of this my gallery?

Rafe

I'm away from my computer at the moment, but I can do it over the weekend.
--
- Bill

Great thanks again!

Rafe

Here is a full size JPEG at 100%

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y8p6a52x6gvvnak/dragon-3.JPG?dl=0

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- Bill

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billythek Veteran Member • Posts: 5,260
Re: Too much image noise after processing? please critique.

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

billythek wrote:

Mr McClicky wrote:

. Btw I do have the raw file.

If you want us to play with it, put it in a dropbox link.

If you don't mind, that would be very interesting to me, awesome! Im new to dpr so the dropbox is new one to me, but I'll figure it out, thanks.

Rafe

Dropbox is outside DPR. Just go to dropbox.com and they will give you instructions on how to get setup. It is free. Then after you have uploaded the RAW file to dropbox, they will give you a link that you can insert into a post here, and people can download the picture from the link. It is easy.

Oh ok, Great! I'll try it right now, thanks again.

Rafe

I'll look for it tomorrow. Time for bed for me.

Hey Bill, thanks again for your offer. In taking you up on your offer here is the link to the dragonfly image and I even through in a couple of other takes that you may find challenging. Thanks again for taking the time to work on the image, I hope that I'm posting it correctly here if not let me know and I'll correct it. I'm curious to see what you come with. Im learning so much from you guys and I truly appreciate all your help.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ulhci893u0pesq/dagonfly%20for%20dropbox.NEF?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kac9rprt4cyaaxl/DSC_1775.NEF?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvqi1umqsrd5f47/original%20dragonfly%20on%20fence.NEF?dl=0

Cheers

Rafe

OK, here is after conversion in DxO using PRIME noise reduction.

And this is after applying some Nik filters:

Are you a magician? AMAZING! I think its beautiful, both of them but the Nik filter is my favorite. Its like a photograph inside a painting. Recomposing it like that took a minute to grow on me but when it finally did I realize that its genius! Its given so much more depth to a depth of field less ? image. It almost looks 3dimentional.

How long did it take you? What is DxO and Nik filters, is that in photoshop? Even the back ground CA looks more appealing to me, I love it. Sorry if I gush but helping to capture a nice image like this 2 months after getting into dslr photography at my age feels great. I wish I would have been a bit steadier to avoid that bit of background vibration but with the image enhancements you made makes it so easy to overlook, it almost seems intentional. Its so cool how coincidentally the dragon's colors are basically the only ones found to some degree in the background, right down to the speck of blue down in the corner. Great job Bill Thanks!

Rafe

As for the composition, I just cropped to the rule of thirds. It's a compulsion I have that often works out.

I didn't spend much time doing this at all. From the time I downloaded the RAW file to when I posted was about 15 min.

I subscribe to the $10/month Photoshop+Lightroom package from Adobe, but I didn't use the capabilities of those programs much for this picture other than as a platform to launch plug-ins.

I recently purchased the stand alone PS element version about a week ago, do you think its worth me getting the online version? I really want learn to get better.

Of course, to each their own, but I could never go back to using elements.  The full version of photoshop is much better.  The biggest difference to me is 16bit color, but there are lots of other reasons.  And now that it is just $10/month for both it AND Lightroom, it seemed to me a no-brainer, even though I had already shelled out the cash to get the permanent license for CS5.

Nik, which is one such plug-in package took a big price drop about a year or two ago after being acquired by Google. It is well worth getting in my opinion.

DxO Optics Pro is a program that can be used either standalone or as a plug-in to Lightroom. I used DxO for the RAW conversion because it's "lens softness" sharpening method works well for sharpening without creating halos, and the PRIME noise reduction is great for eliminating noise while preserving detail. Also note that it completely eliminated the CA color band on the top edge of the wings that were in your original conversions.

I didn't really see it on the wings but I did see something going on with the background that is lessened now. What do you think would cause that CA? I seem to be getting it on several of the pictures I been taking, mainly the ones with shallow focus but sometimes even with deeper focused ones.

It is common to have CA on the edges of things, like wings or building edges or tree limbs and leaves.  Some post-processing tools do a lot better job of cleaning that up than others.  DxO does an excellent job of that, in my opinion.  To be fair, I saw the CA on the wings more in one of your other shots.

About the background, I'm not sure I know what you are referring too, but DxO PRIME noise reduction might have had something to do with it.

I didn't spend any time cleaning up extraneous details in Photoshop like I probably would if this were my own picture. I just wanted to show the effect using a different RAW conversion flow can make.

Can you elaborate a bit on this, what different conversion flow?

If I understood your original post correctly, you converted the RAW file using iPhoto.  I'm talking about the difference between doing that and using DxO to do the RAW conversion.  I think other converters could also do a good job.  Lightroom does a pretty good job of removing CA, although not quite as good as DxO on some pictures I've played with.  I normally use Lightroom, because it is quick and usually does a pretty good job.  I only use DxO in special cases.

I don't want to come across as a shill for DxO.  It is expensive (although you can often get it on sale), and it does have some drawbacks.  It is not the best in all departments.  But it works well for pictures like this where you want sharpness without artifacts, and noise reduction without losing details.  But there are several other RAW converters that people brag about.  If you get serious about post-processing, you should explore the options and make your own choices.

I might have also played with the colors and lighting some more in Lightroom, but that is just a matter of taste.
--
- Bill

Thanks again Bill, BTW anyway I can get a file of this my gallery?

Rafe

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- Bill

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Mr McClicky
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Re: Too much image noise after processing? please critique.

It is common to have CA on the edges of things, like wings or building edges or tree limbs and leaves. Some post-processing tools do a lot better job of cleaning that up than others. DxO does an excellent job of that, in my opinion. To be fair, I saw the CA on the wings more in one of your other shots.

Hey Bill, thanks for the dragon file BTW!  I hope you don't mind if display it, I'm kind of proud of the work you and I did on it.

The bokeh or defocused areas of leaves look over blurry and kind of like an animation to me, but maybe its just me. I like the way it looks, Im just not sure if it would be considered photographically normal if that makes sense.  But it looks awesome to me.  I want to get out of iPhoto and into PS but it intimidates me a bit.  Do you think its worth investing in the Adobe monthly plan if I already have the stand alone PS elements?  Thanks

Rafe

billythek Veteran Member • Posts: 5,260
Re: Too much image noise after processing? please critique.

Feel free to use however you want, it is your picture. As for your other questions, only you can decide if it is worth it. Most programs have free trial periods, so best to try yourself and see.
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