170 head and shoulder shots with no pay

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TomBas Junior Member • Posts: 25
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My lovely daughter-in-law said she is looking for a photographer to shoot 170 head and shoulder shots of teachers for a year book. It needs to be done in one seven hour day and they cannot afford to pay anyone. I wished her luck but I was secretly glad we live 1,500 miles apart so I did not have to turn her down.

GarageBoy Contributing Member • Posts: 919
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I thought yearbook committees had budgets for this...

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I can do it if they set up the lighting and camera
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My lovely daughter-in-law said she is looking for a photographer to shoot 170 head and shoulder shots of teachers for a year book. It needs to be done in one seven hour day and they cannot afford to pay anyone. I wished her luck but I was secretly glad we live 1,500 miles apart so I did not have to turn her down.

I can show up after they have it set up.  Sipping my Starbucks coffee, I can scroll through the camera menu and set it to time lapse.  Say one shot every 30 seconds.  Then it is off to shopping and a theater for 7 hours.  After which, I can return to pop out the memory card and hand it to them.

That is how I roll

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Not a problem.  Have them at my studio in Kabul at 0800 tomorrow and we'll knock it out

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Maybe the money could be deducted from the teachers union pension fund?

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I don't get all this yearbook stuff. I avoided being in quite a lot of class photos when I was in school. I never ever bought a class photo and still have no interest in them. I know my school did do a year book but I don't think I ever bought one.

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Erik Magnuson Forum Pro • Posts: 12,237
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chiane wrote:

Maybe the money could be deducted from the teachers union pension fund?

Why? Is the yearbook mostly for the teachers?

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So these "smart" teachers can't figure out how to put a camera on a tripod, set the timer for 10 seconds, go sit on a chair/stool and smile?  Surely one of them has a camera?  They seem to be so resourceful for "teaching", they should be able to demonstrate some self help to do their own selfies...

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Erik Magnuson Forum Pro • Posts: 12,237
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they should be able to demonstrate some self help to do their own selfies...

Again, someone who has totally missed the point of who yearbooks are for. Sure, anyone with a camera (or phone) could take 170 photos, but the hope is probably for a bit more consistency. Yearbooks are not typically profit centers -- for the schools at least. So the options are likely cut something else, raise additional money, or get a volunteer to take the photos. I assume no one ever donated anything of value to any school you attended or you would be familiar with this option.

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Who took portraits of the students? Why didn't the teachers work in a deal for free yearbook sized portraits of themselves?
What happened last year?

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TomBas wrote:

My lovely daughter-in-law said she is looking for a photographer to shoot 170 head and shoulder shots of teachers for a year book. It needs to be done in one seven hour day and they cannot afford to pay anyone. I wished her luck but I was secretly glad we live 1,500 miles apart so I did not have to turn her down.

Are there no photographers in the student body, who'd do this for free to get extra credit in a course, maybe journalism or art?

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Your classmates probably thank you. P
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When I was in school, a yearbook company came to the school and took the photos. They then made a yearbook and sold them to the students.
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yooperguy wrote:

they should be able to demonstrate some self help to do their own selfies...

Again, someone who has totally missed the point of who yearbooks are for. Sure, anyone with a camera (or phone) could take 170 photos, but the hope is probably for a bit more consistency. Yearbooks are not typically profit centers -- for the schools at least. So the options are likely cut something else, raise additional money, or get a volunteer to take the photos. I assume no one ever donated anything of value to any school you attended or you would be familiar with this option.

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170 teachers sounds like a school with a budget that could do this.  Or, at least get help from the journalism class or photography club.  If they don't have a photography club, then they reap the rewards of that choice.  If they do, maybe pay them in bennies like snack bar access or a private session in the school's new indoor heated pool.

170 head shots over a full work day sounds like a job not a volunteer slot.

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Richard Weisgrau Veteran Member • Posts: 3,530
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TomBas wrote:

My lovely daughter-in-law said she is looking for a photographer to shoot 170 head and shoulder shots of teachers for a year book. It needs to be done in one seven hour day and they cannot afford to pay anyone. I wished her luck but I was secretly glad we live 1,500 miles apart so I did not have to turn her down.

After reading the mostly condescending posts in this thread I am bit turned off by them. The OP's daughter-in-law is a teacher. She is not an administrator or financier. She is a teacher.  They are the folks who help us become what we are. My wife was a teacher for 40+ years. She was the yearbook advisor for 2 years. She had no control over the the school's budget. Her job was to produce yearbook with students doing as much as possible. The senior portrait studio gave the school a 10% rebate on portrait sales. The admins spent that money on other budget items. The students sold yearbook ads, but they raise little $ these days.

My wife (now retired from teaching) gets letters, calls, and emails from past students who value what she taught them. Many of them were prompted to contact her when they took a look at their senior year Yearbook albeit many years later.

So before you dump on the needs of a teacher trying to get a job done in spite of not being given the resources to get that job done, ask yourself this:

What have you done this week to make some peoples' futures better?

I am willing to contribute $100 to help the OP's daughter-in-law get what she needs. If I were near her, I would do the work for her at no charge. I value teachers. Do you? Want to contribute to the need?  Sign up in this thread.

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Richard Weisgrau wrote:

What have you done this week to make some peoples' futures better?

My wife and I contribute yearly 12 charities, to a tune of somewhat more than $100 Perhaps you do also.

We also volunteer at the church and participate in missionary work on occasion. My wife volunteers at her old place of employment.

I suspect that most everyone on this site works just as hard at their job as teachers do. Many also support other organizations. Your statement strikes me as an implication they do otherwise. I not only find it condescending and insulting, I can't imagine how you could possibly have any information on which to base it. Perhaps I misunderstood your tone.

Yes, I appreciate teachers.  Also policemen and janitors.  Also food service workers and the guys who just put the new roof on my house.  All are necessary, and I certainly don't see one form of employement as being more or less deserving of appreciation than the next.  Well, maybe politicians………..  

Everybody seems to have their hand out these days. Many are deserving of assistance. Since you can't give to everybody you must prioritize. High school yearbooks, important though they may be to somebody, are simply not very high on my list of needy organizations.

By the way, I like your web site. Some nice work there.

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TomBas wrote:

My lovely daughter-in-law said she is looking for a photographer to shoot 170 head and shoulder shots of teachers for a year book. It needs to be done in one seven hour day and they cannot afford to pay anyone. I wished her luck but I was secretly glad we live 1,500 miles apart so I did not have to turn her down.

After reading the mostly condescending posts in this thread I am bit turned off by them. The OP's daughter-in-law is a teacher. She is not an administrator or financier. She is a teacher. They are the folks who help us become what we are. My wife was a teacher for 40+ years. She was the yearbook advisor for 2 years. She had no control over the the school's budget. Her job was to produce yearbook with students doing as much as possible. The senior portrait studio gave the school a 10% rebate on portrait sales. The admins spent that money on other budget items. The students sold yearbook ads, but they raise little $ these days.

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Oh, a teacher needs help changing her car brakes for 7 hours?  No problem.  Always glad to help a neighbor.

Help a bloated school system?  One that doesn't manage money well enough to provide a way to create a year book?  No way.  Pulling money from basics is an old school trick.  Then you can ask the community to provide those basics.  It is the oldest trick in the school management manual.

School leaders always throw out teachers to be the image when they grub for more money.  The education system is awash in money and it is never enough.  The prices just go up and money diverted.  So, schools give students laptops, iPads, and smart phones for education purposes.  Then build stadiums and indoor Olympic pools that cost hundreds of millions of dollars.  Always spending far more than tax payers can afford.  All in the name of education.

The plan from the beginning was to spend on other things and rely on freebies from the local photographers for the teacher photos.  The photographers would help them but they had to sell all their gear to pay their rising property taxes.  Good luck.

P.S.  I know there might be a school in real need but it is hard to separate it from my local rich schools that cry poor mouth just as hard.  Like separating the wheat from the chaff.

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Surely, someone she knows has a cell phone with a camera, right?

TomBas wrote:

My lovely daughter-in-law said she is looking for a photographer to shoot 170 head and shoulder shots of teachers for a year book. It needs to be done in one seven hour day and they cannot afford to pay anyone. I wished her luck but I was secretly glad we live 1,500 miles apart so I did not have to turn her down.

I mean, how large are those photos going to be printed?  1x1.5 inches?  A cell phone will do nicely.

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This is a dandy for my first post.  My graduating class (1969) was all of 98 kids...small school.  When we needed money for something, we had a car wash or spaghetti dinner or pancake breakfast to raise the needed cash.  If it's a worthy project, I would think that there would be enough interested students and teachers to come up with a plan to raise the funds and have it done quickly and efficiently by a pro.

Otherwise, go to Wallgreen's and buy a bunch of disposables and have at it.  There's free processing software out there as well.  It all comes down to priorities.  If this is really important, those involved will find a way.

David

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