200mm f/2 VRI, am I crazy?

Started Jul 23, 2014 | Discussions
Dennis Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
Re: 200VR; Deja Vu all Over Again (pics).

RBFresno wrote:

As I mentioned previously, I'm an amateur , and there are better examples of what the 200VR can do. But using great equipment like the 200VR, can be more fun than just about anything you can do with your clothes on!

Nice collection of images to demonstrate that you put your 200/2 to great use ! I hope the OP gets the same joy out of it.

exRhodesian Contributing Member • Posts: 710
Re: 200mm f/2 VRI, am I crazy?

Hi,

Fully agree about getting a Cap for protection - I bought this one for my 600mm :

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618333-REG/Aqua_Tech_1400_ASCN_6_SoftCap.html

and it gives one a peace of mind knowing there's protection infront of the lens.

I’ve got a Safe for my equipment.  A good Safe is worth investing for your lifetime.

Enjoy it,

Adrian

TwistaCatz
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Re: 200mm f/2 VRI, am I crazy?

exRhodesian wrote:

Hi,

Fully agree about getting a Cap for protection - I bought this one for my 600mm :

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618333-REG/Aqua_Tech_1400_ASCN_6_SoftCap.html

and it gives one a peace of mind knowing there's protection infront of the lens.

I’ve got a Safe for my equipment. A good Safe is worth investing for your lifetime.

Enjoy it,

Adrian

Thanks for the heads up Adrian. This cap seems a little more affordable then other one we discussed earlier in this thread and it's available on Amazon Prime so I think I'm going to go ahead and pull the trigger.

On another note I'm starting to really appreciate the focus speed of this guy. It's quite impressive.

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RickD Contributing Member • Posts: 888
Re: 200mm f/2 VRI, am I crazy?

The arguments posted here (and the awesome pictures) have totally convinced me that this lens is not only highly desirable, its also cost-effective - a bargain even.  Now I just have to convince my wife.....

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Martin Huisman Forum Member • Posts: 97
Difference between VRI and VRII, optically?

How does the VR I actually differ from the VR II, except for the VR?
I see someone offering a VR I for 3000 and he's claiming all of the optics of the VR II is the same as the VR I.

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TwistaCatz
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Re: Difference between VRI and VRII, optically?

Martin Huisman wrote:

How does the VR I actually differ from the VR II, except for the VR?
I see someone offering a VR I for 3000 and he's claiming all of the optics of the VR II is the same as the VR I.

The newer version also has nano coating as well but I believe that's about it.

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RBFresno
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Re: Difference between VRI and VRII, optically?

Martin Huisman wrote:

How does the VR I actually differ from the VR II, except for the VR?
I see someone offering a VR I for 3000 and he's claiming all of the optics of the VR II is the same as the VR I.

Hi!

My understanding is that the newer version ("II") has improved VR and Nano coat, which may translate to 1) a little better ability to hand hold with slow shutter speeds and 2)under selected circumstances, less flare respectively.

I haven't heard of anything that convinces me that the differences are anything other than minor. The primary thing that was "improved" with the "II" version was probably the price.

Without checking prices, $3000 for a 200 VR I in good shape seems like a bargain to me. I wouldn't sell mine for that!

RB

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Big Ga Forum Pro • Posts: 18,621
Re: 200mm f/2 VRI, am I crazy?

MartynD2oo wrote:

Yeah maybe my sarcasm went a bit far there but the difference in IQ is big, maybe not €3000 worth but it's definately there.

The next time i'm out on a shoot and have time I willl wipe the dust off the 70-200 and do a comparison for all to see.

I imagine there are many people who are eagerly waiting to see and evaluate the big IQ difference between the 200/2 and the 70-200VR2.

Please don't let us down.

And hurry up

MartynD2oo
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Re: 200mm f/2 VRI, am I crazy?

Big Ga wrote:

MartynD2oo wrote:

Yeah maybe my sarcasm went a bit far there but the difference in IQ is big, maybe not €3000 worth but it's definately there.

The next time i'm out on a shoot and have time I willl wipe the dust off the 70-200 and do a comparison for all to see.

I imagine there are many people who are eagerly waiting to see and evaluate the big IQ difference between the 200/2 and the 70-200VR2.

Please don't let us down.

And hurry up

Sure..I'm going away to Almería this weekend for a short break, I'll pack the 70-200 too as I'm gonna have some spare time to put these boys up against each other. Expect something from me by the middle of next week

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For those of you who want one...
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Landsandgrooves Regular Member • Posts: 244
Re: For those of you who want one...
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I have the 200mm f/2 V1, the 135mm f/2 DC, 70-200mm f/2.8 (and a dozen others).  D7000, D700, D800, etc.

Absolutely LOVE the 135mm.  Never do move the DC off the 0 centerpoint.  Crazy sharp lens.

I use the 70-200 f/2.8 all the time.  Incredible lens.

I use the 200mm f/2 much less than either of those.  But . . . it's PFM.  Pure Fricking Magic.  It's much more than the sharpness, or the bokeh, or whatever.  It's a sense . . . a feeling . . . a texture . . . a creamyness (while at the same time being tack sharp).  More than the 55 f/1.5, the 85, the . . . well, really, anything.   I've had a bunch of Leicas, Nikons, Pentaxes, Olympuses, with the best lenses they all make.  Nothing, ever, had the look of this lens.

Sometimes I think of selling it because it doesn't get used much.  I really should.

But then, I look at the images.  OMG.  PFM.

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Landsandgrooves Regular Member • Posts: 244
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200mm f/2.

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200f2 v. 70-200vr2 comparison
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Coming very soon at the link below, don't miss it!

https://www.facebook.com/Nikkor200f2

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Re: For those of you who want one...

Landsandgrooves wrote:

200mm f/2.

The standard look on peoples faces when the 200f2 gets pulled from the bag.

Great capture!

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Not the same optically

Martin Huisman wrote:

How does the VR I actually differ from the VR II, except for the VR?
I see someone offering a VR I for 3000 and he's claiming all of the optics of the VR II is the same as the VR I.

See photozone's reviews on both. The VR1 is 21 elements in 15 groups with 5 ED elements, the VR2 is 21 elements in 16 grounds with 7 ED elements. Looking at the results, the VR is sharper, especially in the corners, has less vignetting and smoother bokeh. The VR1 is said to be OK for DX, for FX the VR2 is better.

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Martin Huisman Forum Member • Posts: 97
Re: Not the same optically

Thank you for clarifying on that
I will head on to Photozone to see what else they have to say about the two.
Cheers,

Martin

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200VR I and 200VR II have same optical formula
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Stacey_K wrote:

Martin Huisman wrote:

How does the VR I actually differ from the VR II, except for the VR?
I see someone offering a VR I for 3000 and he's claiming all of the optics of the VR II is the same as the VR I.

See photozone's reviews on both. The VR1 is 21 elements in 15 groups with 5 ED elements, the VR2 is 21 elements in 16 grounds with 7 ED elements. Looking at the results, the VR is sharper, especially in the corners, has less vignetting and smoother bokeh. The VR1 is said to be OK for DX, for FX the VR2 is better.

Hi!

Just to be clear, I assume that for $3000 used, that we are talking about the 200VR not the 70-200VR zooms.

Both of the 200VR's have 13 elements in 9 groups.

The II version has a newer VR and a Nano coated element, as I mentioned above

RB

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Martin Huisman Forum Member • Posts: 97
Re: 200VR I and 200VR II have same optical formula

Oh wait I think I see...so Stacey was talking about the 70-200 VR 1 vs 2 instead?
I was talking about the 200 f/2 VR 1 vs 2 indeed.
Sorry for the confusement!
Cheers,
Martin

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xtm Senior Member • Posts: 1,155
Re: 180 2.8

munro harrap wrote:

Every shot here could have been made as easily with the 180mm f2.8, and would have been as sharp and clear. The mountain better because less flair, well, I just do not know what to say. But on a D7100 you get a 300mm f2.8 lens and 24MP, and remember the little 135mm f2? That is a 200mm on 24MP at a fraction of the size and cost with greater resolution, and the same possibilities with extenders. If ever I need an extra stop of speed , thanks for reminding me of its existence. You just do not need VR with it or the 180mm at all- not in that light anyway.

Funny you bring up the 180. I also have that cute little lens. It's a great lens, but other than being dimunitive, I don't see where else it can hang with the 200 f/2:

CA? nope

AF speed? hells naw

Sharpness? In its dream

Aperture speed? Yes, if you stop down the 200 f/2 to f/4.

Color? Nope

Bokeh? Nope

Usability with TC's? Nope. the 180 only works with Kenko with mechanical linkage.. the 200/2 works with *ALL* AF-S TC's.

Bottom line is You can't compare a lens that costs $350 to a $4,000 one. You just can't.

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Landsandgrooves Regular Member • Posts: 244
Re: 180 2.8

There were exchanges about insurance and leaving the lens or even camera bag in the car.

Yes, I know that we shouldn't leave the cameras in the car, but sometimes that's going to happen.

I like to use a beat-up ice chest (think picnic type).  Drop the camera bag or lens bag into the ice chest (no ice or water!).  1. It will help keep it cool. 2. Few people will break in to steal a soft drink. 3. Even if they do break in, it's possible they won't look inside a beat-up ice chest.

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