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very first impressions

Started Jul 7, 2014 | User reviews
1elementin7groups
1elementin7groups Veteran Member • Posts: 5,526
Re: very first impressions

Good review, and as you say, "very first impressions."  I'll bet you grow to love the lens in time.

Lensrentals did a tear down of the 16-35 IS and had some positive comments on it's construction. Also their optical/image testing was favorable. Seeing that, I ordered the lens and it will be here on Monday.

Reading your review, I will not be too quick to sell my 17-40mm. I have enjoyed it but to get the best out of it, I have had to stop it down to around f16 to get the corners sharp. My hope is that the 16-35 will be a superb performer at f5.6-8.

thanks for posting the review.

Dave

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Jay A Senior Member • Posts: 2,576
Re: very first impressions

Just some quick comments for whatever they are worth to anyone:

- It seems that the more I spend on a lens or body for that matter, they more in my own head I have a need to justify that expense and the more perfection I seem to be looking for. At the same time, I know that nothing is perfect and I am very often disappointed until I convince myself that I am being too critical and should just accept what I have purchased for what it is.

- IS seems to be questioned by some and embraced by others. I grew up in photography way before there was ever anything like image stabilization and I sometimes don't understand how or why people can insist that even a 200mm lens needs IS. I used to shoot sports before they had IS and never had any issuses. You just shoot with a faster shutter speed than the focal length of the lens and IS is actually rarely needed. HOWEVER, we must realize that all the cameras nowadays have video capabilities in them. Because of THIS, IS is a very very nice addition. Without it (even with a 16-35) videos will just not look steady. So, don't necessarily think that the IS was put into the lens just for still purposes.

- As far as build quality goes. I think that over the years that I have been doing photography (about 50 at this point) build quality has steadily gone downhill. Compare the 16-35 to a lens built during the 70s and you will see what I mean. So if someone quesitons the build quality of this lens...well by today's standards it's fine...but over the long term, it's just not up there compared to the older stuff.

Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,312
Re: very first impressions

IS is useful even if DSLRs had no video on them. Example...

Taken at 05:55 hours, about 20 minutes after sunrise but light is still blocked by the canopy overhead. Resulting image, ISO1000. No IS would have produced an image at ISO5000.

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GeoffreyH Regular Member • Posts: 340
Re: very first impressions

Lensrentals did a tear down of the 16-35 IS and had some positive comments on it's construction. Also their optical/image testing was favorable. Seeing that, I ordered the lens and it will be here on Monday.

Yes, I would suggest reading the review: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog

I think his teardown should mitigate any build quality concerns.

For what it's worth, he compares it to 16-35 f2.3, 17-40, as well as 17 TSE and Nikon 14-24. Draw your own conclusions.

stratobill Senior Member • Posts: 2,081
Re: very first impressions

1elementin7groups wrote:

Good review, and as you say, "very first impressions." I'll bet you grow to love the lens in time.

Lensrentals did a tear down of the 16-35 IS and had some positive comments on it's construction. Also their optical/image testing was favorable. Seeing that, I ordered the lens and it will be here on Monday.

Reading your review, I will not be too quick to sell my 17-40mm. I have enjoyed it but to get the best out of it, I have had to stop it down to around f16 to get the corners sharp. My hope is that the 16-35 will be a superb performer at f5.6-8.

thanks for posting the review.

Dave

Definitely read the lens rental article, the new lens pretty soundly whips the venerable 17-40 in the corners. Stopping down to f16- that is bad corners! My 16-35 F2.8II was nowhere near that bad!

BTW for what it's worth the build quality appears equal to other lenses, like the 24-105. It's nice to know that they've gone the extra mile on the internals.

PS the threads on mine work nice and smooth, to OP, are you sure it isn't the filter?

All in all, a really nicely constructed and performing lens in my experience.

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Re: very first impressions

paul simon king wrote:

rrccad wrote:

paul simon king wrote:

Picked it up today and first thing I noticed is that the BW protector filter I got for it ( yes Im one of those , get over it) is helluva site harder to thread onto the lens. Not usre if its cos the front is plastic not metal - dunno - feels plasticky.

the whole lens feels nicely made but not as reassuringly solid as some, I think Il feel a little more timid about scratching this one than other Ive had (virtually all of the Canon lenses under 200m)
the 17-40 was an extrenmely good copy that I had (sold) and I'l be interested to see whether theres any diffience in the centre, but as far as the corners are concerned, from a few preliminary shots it's no contest, the new lens does what we wanted, has sharp corners.

snip.

weird review. so it's sharper. has IS. even has smudge free coatings on the elements.most of canon lenses even kit lenses are sharp in the center - so not sure why that's even a factor. the corners and the absolute lack of CA should be been painfully apparent.

but you dont' think for some mythical reason that canon knows how to put together the lenses right to withstand any sort of wear.

and for that "feeling" it gets downgraded to 3.5 stars out of 5.

LOL .. and people wonder how come canon at times ignores it's userbase and population.

yeah thanks for that, not sure if you can read the title or not but I'll put it in bigger letters to help
VERY FIRST IMPRESSIONS

then don't give it a score? dolt...

paul simon king
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Re: very first impressions

Ad Hominem remarks and in German too! I'm impressed!

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well I have fiddled with it and all seesm to be in good working order and the filter is a brand new B+W.
Feel like there isn't quite as much 'meat' to the thread, I havent measured it might be that the 17-40 just had more of it - not sure
Its a pet beef of mine though that filters are hard to change in the cold ( which it normally is here)  and trying to get those B+W filter boxes open in the cold....oh well

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you mirror my thinking precisely

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stratobill Senior Member • Posts: 2,081
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paul simon king wrote:

well I have fiddled with it and all seesm to be in good working order and the filter is a brand new B+W.
Feel like there isn't quite as much 'meat' to the thread, I havent measured it might be that the 17-40 just had more of it - not sure
Its a pet beef of mine though that filters are hard to change in the cold ( which it normally is here) and trying to get those B+W filter boxes open in the cold....oh well

Not to mention that they get stuck!

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paul simon king
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at the moment my efforts are mainly concentrating on trying to find the best Hyperfocal distances that I can work with.. it's not the same set up as the 17-40 thats for sure but then thats to be expected perhaps with the asphericals etc being a different consruction etc, not so much marhg==gin for error it seesms to me, a more demanding lens, which is no bad thing.
Im getting used to the build but still don't feel it's as robust as the 17-40, feel Ive got to treat it with kid gloves but I gueess some of that is 'new lens syndrone'

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ah yes.. thatlittle problem , however for me that has always been less of a problem than changing them.
I try to avoid changing filters whenever possible but it happens anyway,, and really even if the camera's ona tripod it'sapain. trying to open the box without it flicking out is a cause for concern but then you've got to get the little blighter on before all the crap blows on the lens proper, and will that thread engage first time....? Never!

I often feel like John Cleese when doing it: "Right! That's it! - I've warned you once!"
lol

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1elementin7groups
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Re: very first impressions

paul simon king wrote:

well I have fiddled with it and all seesm to be in good working order and the filter is a brand new B+W.
Feel like there isn't quite as much 'meat' to the thread, I havent measured it might be that the 17-40 just had more of it - not sure
Its a pet beef of mine though that filters are hard to change in the cold ( which it normally is here) and trying to get those B+W filter boxes open in the cold....oh well

I gather you may still be writing about the protective filter?

Have you (or anyone else) tried a polarizer on the lens?  I seldom used mine (B+W slim) on the 17-40mm as I got blotchy areas of coverage. But I was wondering how the coverage is on the 16-35 IS? Or when mine arrives tomorrow, I'll try it out. ;>)

Dave

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yes, I am using the same B+W Polariser that I used on the 17-40 and there doesnt seem to be any vignetting -I did think I might need to get the slim version but it doesn't look like its needed
(unless you intend to stack filters which I never do so can't advise on that)
never had a blotchy area though - I'd send the filter straight back if that happened!

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yodermk Senior Member • Posts: 1,393
Just got mine

Yesterday.

Mainly so I can do with my 5D3 what I've been doing with my 60D+10-22.

So far I'm pretty happy. The build seems fine, and it is indeed sharp. I'm happy with the rendering of the sky with a sun star. I think my first attempt is better than I've ever got with the 10-22.

I've not had the 17-40 but based on reviews was never really tempted by it.

My main concern before buying was the fact that I already have the 24-70 f4L IS, so most of the zoom range is basically a duplicate.  However, if I carry both cameras and have the 16-35 on the 5D3 and the 24-70 on the 60D, they'll complement each other pretty well.   In any case, noting that the vast majority of my travel photos were shot with the 10-22, and a good number of them wider than 15mm, it was clear that I needed this lens on the 5D3.

I'll try to post a proper review at some point after I've been using it a while.

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oh, and bokeh

I was going to note that I was quite surprised by how much bokeh I could get at 16mm at f/4.  Definitely more than I've ever had from the 10-22.  Seems like reasonably nice bokeh too.

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