DPQ unofficial, rogue and pragmatical review

HBowman wrote:

As far as I can see, making a 39Mp foveon would be a non sens. If you bring back big pixels you bring back the pop, plain and simple.

So I rather want to see a 19 or 24 Mp full frame sensor. Files will be huge but not that huge and this camera would have the edge on many other actual and future dslr because of the bigger sensor. Bigger sensor is the way IMHO, not more MP.

Well I for one would LOVE to have a 117 MP (39x3) full-frame Merrill camera. It would have slightly smaller photo-sites than the Merrill has, but I think going to a slightly smaller pixel pitch would not make much difference, especially if they do a little more development, and reduce wall thickness by 5% or something like that. Remember that the 24 MP Nikon D7100 has a pixel pitch of 3.9 µm - smaller than what a 39 MP full-frame sensor would have, and 24 MP APS-C sensors have been around for quite some time now. They're working fine and getting better all the time (just look at the image quality from the cheap little D5300).

You might think Sigma couldn't make a camera with the speed to handle such a high resolution, but they've had years to double their processing speed, and with a larger camera they could put two of the new True III processors in it. Besides, even if the camera can only shoot at 5 fps and have only a 9 frame buffer it would be an amazing thing. The full-frame viewfinder would be GREAT! Such a camera with a 50mm f1.4 A on it would be the king. Even if the build quality is no better than the SD1 it would be fine. I'd like it to have live view though.

Now, imagine a full-frame Quattro with the same pixel pitch as the Nikon D7100 on the top layer. It would have about 48 MP top layer and 12 MP per layer under that. Not much difference from today's Quattro really. But boy would it capture some fine detail in photos! I'd LOVE such a camera with the amazing new Sigma 50mm f1.4 A and the, amazing Sigma 180mm f2.8 EX DG OS HSM APO Macro.

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Scottelly wrote:

mypic wrote:

I could but I don't want to have to deal with purple blotches. I know because I used to own an SD15, worst camera I ever owned.

I think it's telling that you say the SD15 is the worst camera you've ever owned, when there are a few Sigma shooters that say the SD15 is the best camera they've ever owned. Interesting, how polarizing Foveon sensor cameras can be, isn't it?

No, they probably mean SD15 is the best Sigma camera they've ever owned. Any Bayer camera is better operationally, just not in final results.

Scottelly wrote:

mypic wrote:

I could but I don't want to have to deal with purple blotches. I know because I used to own an SD15, worst camera I ever owned.

I think it's telling that you say the SD15 is the worst camera you've ever owned, when there are a few Sigma shooters that say the SD15 is the best camera they've ever owned. Interesting, how polarizing Foveon sensor cameras can be, isn't it?

Very telling, as I hated my SD14 and got rid of it, but am OK with the SD15.

mike earussi wrote:

Scottelly wrote:

mypic wrote:

I could but I don't want to have to deal with purple blotches. I know because I used to own an SD15, worst camera I ever owned.

I think it's telling that you say the SD15 is the worst camera you've ever owned, when there are a few Sigma shooters that say the SD15 is the best camera they've ever owned. Interesting, how polarizing Foveon sensor cameras can be, isn't it?

No, they probably mean SD15 is the best Sigma camera they've ever owned. Any Bayer camera is better operationally, just not in final results.

Have you ever USED a Sony camera?  They take nice images but the menu and controls I thought were awful (well, OK, the RX-7 anyway).

I would far rather use a Sigma DP and a QS menu.

All cameras are utterly awful compared to an iPhone though.

mike earussi wrote:

Scottelly wrote:

mypic wrote:

I could but I don't want to have to deal with purple blotches. I know because I used to own an SD15, worst camera I ever owned.

I think it's telling that you say the SD15 is the worst camera you've ever owned, when there are a few Sigma shooters that say the SD15 is the best camera they've ever owned. Interesting, how polarizing Foveon sensor cameras can be, isn't it?

No, they probably mean SD15 is the best Sigma camera they've ever owned. Any Bayer camera is better operationally, just not in final results.

Actually, many "Bayer" cameras have much smaller buffers, so the SD15 can go and go. You can shoot 20 raw photos with the SD15, before the buffer is full. Even my Canon 5 D couldn't do that (only about 15). Many new cameras have even smaller buffers than the 5 D had. The Nikon D7100 only has a 7 frame buffer. Pathetic.

I can see how some people would think the SD15 is the worst camera they've ever used, but isn't it the image quality that people really want? I love my SD14. In fact, though my Sony A55 was the best camera I had ever owned, I sold it and kept the SD14 . . . and the SD15 is better than the SD14 in many ways. It's probably the next Sigma camera I will buy.

Kendall Helmstetter Gelner wrote:

mike earussi wrote:

Scottelly wrote:

mypic wrote:

I could but I don't want to have to deal with purple blotches. I know because I used to own an SD15, worst camera I ever owned.

I think it's telling that you say the SD15 is the worst camera you've ever owned, when there are a few Sigma shooters that say the SD15 is the best camera they've ever owned. Interesting, how polarizing Foveon sensor cameras can be, isn't it?

No, they probably mean SD15 is the best Sigma camera they've ever owned. Any Bayer camera is better operationally, just not in final results.

Have you ever USED a Sony camera? They take nice images but the menu and controls I thought were awful (well, OK, the RX-7 anyway).

I would far rather use a Sigma DP and a QS menu.

All cameras are utterly awful compared to an iPhone though.

Yes, I owned an NEX 7 for a year and absolutely loved the EVF, especially all the info available. And the 11x mag made manual focus so much easier than using the SD15 with my 2x loupe. That's one of the main reasons I've never bought a DP series body, my eyes are old enough to require reading glasses in order to see the rear screen, a real PITA.

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It depends, what other camera they owned? And remember I stated camera not sensor but maybe I should have stated it was the worst DSLR I ever owned. It's not a judgement on the Foveon sensor. I do love the Foveon sensor for what is pretty good at, that's why I bought the DP2M. I think I'm going to complete the set by buying the DP1M and DP3M, for wide and close up shots.