Are my images Green?

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Powen New Member • Posts: 1
Are my images Green?
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I there I recently sent some images to be printed and they came back quite green and when I checked my settings they were not on S-RGB so changed them but they still appear green on my monitor but not in Photoshop. Can you help?

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TOF guy MOD Forum Pro • Posts: 12,840
Re: Are my images Green?

Have you calibrated your monitor, and / or using the proper profile for your printer ?

The image you show is find on my monitor, which is calibrated.

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Isn't Photoshop in your computer therefore in your monitor?

Not green on my monitor.

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Looks good on my calibrated monitor
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HollywoodPics Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Are my images Green?

Looks perfect on both a calibrated and uncalibrated monitor.

BTW, more importantly, what a lovely photo and child!

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Looks great on my Colormunki calibrated monitor and another vote for the cute baby

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Re: Are my images Green?

Beautiful photo! The only green I can see on my uncalibrated iMac screen is the iris of the monster's eyes in the hat - I have had photos printed by a camera store that uses a Canon printer with no problems and of course, pharmacy chain prints show poor color.

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Robert Palmqvist
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Re: Are my images Green?

@ the cottage right now so can't check on a color calibrated monitor but looks good on my iPad

Great shot by the way...

Robin Casady Forum Pro • Posts: 12,898
Looks green to me.

Powen wrote:

I there I recently sent some images to be printed and they came back quite green and when I checked my settings they were not on S-RGB so changed them but they still appear green on my monitor but not in Photoshop. Can you help?

I downloaded the image and opened it in Photoshop CS6. There was a lot of green in the shadows on the face. The charcoal kniting looked little off as well. RGB numbers indicated green was strong all over.

Go back to the RAW and change the WB by increasing magenta. When you do that, the white knit eye will look purple in the shadow, so something odd is going on.

What was the lighting like? Was it mixed incandescent and fluorescent?

Does your printer require sRGB? It is a rather narrow color space.

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Re: Looks green to me.
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I just downloaded the jpg original  and unlike the posted version, it does have an olive cast.

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AllanRinggaard Regular Member • Posts: 141
Re: Are my images Green?
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Hi

On my screen the preview on Dpreview looks correct. But when i select "original" size, the image appear to have a green tint.

So yes, i think you have some issues with color management.

I like the picture

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Abouna Senior Member • Posts: 1,093
Re: Are my images Green?
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AllanRinggaard wrote:

Hi

On my screen the preview on Dpreview looks correct. But when i select "original" size, the image appear to have a green tint.

So yes, i think you have some issues with color management.

I like the picture

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Ditto what Allan said.  Preview looks good, full size is green.

And yes, I'm calibrated.

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I'm not sure if everyone clicked through to the larger version of the image. The image that shows within the post looks fine, but when I click through, the baby's face takes on a green tint.

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Abouna wrote:

Ditto what Allan said. Preview looks good, full size is green.

And yes, I'm calibrated.

Full size looks green on iPad too.

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A profile issue

Robin Casady wrote:

Powen wrote:

I there I recently sent some images to be printed and they came back quite green and when I checked my settings they were not on S-RGB so changed them but they still appear green on my monitor but not in Photoshop. Can you help?

I downloaded the image and opened it in Photoshop CS6. There was a lot of green in the shadows on the face. The charcoal kniting looked little off as well. RGB numbers indicated green was strong all over.

Go back to the RAW and change the WB by increasing magenta. When you do that, the white knit eye will look purple in the shadow, so something odd is going on.

What was the lighting like? Was it mixed incandescent and fluorescent?

Does your printer require sRGB? It is a rather narrow color space.

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I downloaded the image also and opened it in PhotoShop CC 2014.

Assigned sRGB profile: image is the greenish color

Assigned Adobe RGB profile: Less green

Assigned ProPhoto RGB: not green, much more reddish

I also have a calibrated monitor.

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You applied color space instead of converting.
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OK I see what you are doing. I downloaded the original and opened in PS. It's tagged as sRGB and looks green and washed out. I "applied" (not converted) the proGB color space and the image looks like the preview/correct. I'm not sure what workflow you are using but you have to CONVERT to a profile, not assign them.

I uploaded the "fixed" file after I assigned proRGB and then -converted- back to sRGB. You will see now the click through original looks fine. (I downsampled it to save upload time).

Fixed-Not my image

And honestly, unless you really understand color space (and know why you really need a wider color space for a particular image), you're probably better off capturing and working in sRGB. Wider <> "better". For most images, even when used correctly, the difference is pretty subtle but the problems caused by incorrect color space use is not, as you have found out.

I understand color space but I still work in sRGB most of the time as that is what most of my images will end up in anyway. If it's a "special" images, I can always pull a aRGB etc. out of the RAW file to edit for printing on a wide gamut printer.

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Re: A profile issue

digital ed wrote:

Robin Casady wrote:

Powen wrote:

I there I recently sent some images to be printed and they came back quite green and when I checked my settings they were not on S-RGB so changed them but they still appear green on my monitor but not in Photoshop. Can you help?

I downloaded the image and opened it in Photoshop CS6. There was a lot of green in the shadows on the face. The charcoal kniting looked little off as well. RGB numbers indicated green was strong all over.

Go back to the RAW and change the WB by increasing magenta. When you do that, the white knit eye will look purple in the shadow, so something odd is going on.

What was the lighting like? Was it mixed incandescent and fluorescent?

Does your printer require sRGB? It is a rather narrow color space.

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I downloaded the image also and opened it in PhotoShop CC 2014.

Assigned sRGB profile: image is the greenish color

Assigned Adobe RGB profile: Less green

Assigned ProPhoto RGB: not green, much more reddish

Correct, (see my post below), the OP had the image as a proRGB or some other really wide gamut color space and then -assigned- sRGB rather than -converting- it to sRGB. If you assign proRGB to the original and then convert it to sRGB, it starts to look normal again.

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Photo Thoughts Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Are my images Green?

Extremely cute, but not much green on my calibrated screen. Feel free to post more cute pictures, just so we can be sure.  I do prefer the edited version someone posted, though.

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Re: You applied color space instead of converting.

Stacey_K wrote:

OK I see what you are doing. I downloaded the original and opened in PS. It's tagged as sRGB and looks green and washed out. I "applied" (not converted) the proGB color space and the image looks like the preview/correct. I'm not sure what workflow you are using but you have to CONVERT to a profile, not assign them.

I uploaded the "fixed" file after I assigned proRGB and then -converted- back to sRGB. You will see now the click through original looks fine. (I downsampled it to save upload time).

Nice catch Ed and Stacy. It never would have occurred to me that someone assigned a profile rather than converting.

And honestly, unless you really understand color space (and know why you really need a wider color space for a particular image), you're probably better off capturing and working in sRGB. Wider <> "better". For most images, even when used correctly, the difference is pretty subtle but the problems caused by incorrect color space use is not, as you have found out.

I disagree. Learning the difference between assigning a color space, and converting to a color space is not rocket science. Work in a wide color space; convert to sRGB when going to the web.

I understand color space but I still work in sRGB most of the time as that is what most of my images will end up in anyway. If it's a "special" images, I can always pull a aRGB etc. out of the RAW file to edit for printing on a wide gamut printer.

Working in sRGB can cause you to go out of gamut too easily.

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Re: You applied color space instead of converting.
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Robin Casady wrote:

Stacey_K wrote:

OK I see what you are doing. I downloaded the original and opened in PS. It's tagged as sRGB and looks green and washed out. I "applied" (not converted) the proGB color space and the image looks like the preview/correct. I'm not sure what workflow you are using but you have to CONVERT to a profile, not assign them.

I uploaded the "fixed" file after I assigned proRGB and then -converted- back to sRGB. You will see now the click through original looks fine. (I downsampled it to save upload time).

Nice catch Ed and Stacy. It never would have occurred to me that someone assigned a profile rather than converting.

It's just one of many problems working outside of sRGB that can happen.

And honestly, unless you really understand color space (and know why you really need a wider color space for a particular image), you're probably better off capturing and working in sRGB. Wider <> "better". For most images, even when used correctly, the difference is pretty subtle but the problems caused by incorrect color space use is not, as you have found out.

I disagree. Learning the difference between assigning a color space, and converting to a color space is not rocket science. Work in a wide color space; convert to sRGB when going to the web.

That is over simplifying the problems that can happen working even in aRGB, much less something like proRGB. A big one is VERY few monitors can display outside of sRGB and most can't even cover sRGB, so editing becomes a problem. You can't see what you are doing. You at least have to be checking for -out of monitor gamut- colors often to even have an idea of what is going on that you can't see.

Also, as the color space becomes wider, the chance of posterization increases.

And last, most places you send a file to be printed want sRGB files. Anything viewed or shared online needs to be sRGB. Unless you have had a custom profile made for your own printer, most "canned" profiles don't print far enough outside of sRGB for it to even be visible in the final print.

The only time I work outside sRGB is when I have an image I know has a color "being clipped" by the smaller color space (usually is something really brightly colored like a yellow flower) and I'm going to print on my custom profiled home printer. Then I pull an aRGB file out of the RAW, edit while checking the -out of monitor gamut- colors to make sure then they aren't also too far out for the printer profile gamut to deal with, and then print. Yes, there is a subtle difference in the final print but it isn't earth shattering.

IMHO there are just too many down sides to using a large color space vs the gain you can see in -any- final output for most images. For example, the image the OP posted is no where near the edges of sRGB. In my experience, most of the images I capture aren't either. Most people work in a large color space because of the belief "bigger is better", it really isn't true for most photographic uses.

I know this flies in the face of popular opinion but then again, I like shooting jpegs too *gasp*

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