Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

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TroyMich
TroyMich Regular Member • Posts: 123
Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II
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I own the A77 and do not see the need obviously to upgrade. I surely would not if I had to sacrifice GPS for Wifi. GPS is a great feature for travel. For them to forego GPS for Wifi is a mistake. For me, the A77 is more valuable than the A77II.

They just updated the Sony RX100II with the RX100III which also does not have GPS. Now, this is probably one of the best small travel point and shoots on the planet and for Sony not to add this feature is a miss!

What's up with Sony and GPS?

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headfirst
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Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II
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There are parts of the world (like China, a major market) where GPS is not allowed. previously they had 2 SKUs with  the additional costs of that.

The A77 II battery life is already down on the original - what would it be with GPS enabled as well?

& that's before we've even discussed packaging, heat, cost etc.

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sybersitizen Veteran Member • Posts: 8,503
Re: Loss of GPS in the (name any new camera from Sony)
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TroyMich wrote:

What's up with Sony and GPS?

Simple, sad answer: It has been eliminated from all their recent cameras. They assume your smartphone will be the answer to all your GPS (and other) needs. That or some still-unannounced-and-unavailable GPS device that costs extra and has to sit on top of the new hot shoe.

SteveJnerChicago Regular Member • Posts: 384
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How does one not know nor remember where they took a photograph? I turned my battery draining GPS off on my A77 after one day.

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rio911
rio911 Contributing Member • Posts: 973
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II
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TroyMich wrote:

I own the A77 and do not see the need obviously to upgrade. I surely would not if I had to sacrifice GPS for Wifi. GPS is a great feature for travel. For them to forego GPS for Wifi is a mistake. For me, the A77 is more valuable than the A77II.

They just updated the Sony RX100II with the RX100III which also does not have GPS. Now, this is probably one of the best small travel point and shoots on the planet and for Sony not to add this feature is a miss!

What's up with Sony and GPS?

I don't know about Sony, but for me I have the GPS in my A77 on all the time.

That being said, I still haven't found a proper use for the GPS data stored in my images.  I have done the gimmicks of looking at where some image has been taken, but it is nothing more than that, a gimmick.  The way I see it: it is a good thing to have, but it is not a "must", there is no added value behind it.

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vw671 Contributing Member • Posts: 539
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Never used the GPS in my A77....don't miss it in my A77ii.

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Jim Funston Senior Member • Posts: 1,698
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II
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Agreed.... never enabled GPS on any of my camera's...... Nor have I ever shot a video on a still camera either. If I want to shoot a video I'd buy a video camera.

J.R.M.
J.R.M. Contributing Member • Posts: 680
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

rio911 wrote:

TroyMich wrote:

I own the A77 and do not see the need obviously to upgrade. I surely would not if I had to sacrifice GPS for Wifi. GPS is a great feature for travel. For them to forego GPS for Wifi is a mistake. For me, the A77 is more valuable than the A77II.

They just updated the Sony RX100II with the RX100III which also does not have GPS. Now, this is probably one of the best small travel point and shoots on the planet and for Sony not to add this feature is a miss!

What's up with Sony and GPS?

I don't know about Sony, but for me I have the GPS in my A77 on all the time.

That being said, I still haven't found a proper use for the GPS data stored in my images. I have done the gimmicks of looking at where some image has been taken, but it is nothing more than that, a gimmick. The way I see it: it is a good thing to have, but it is not a "must", there is no added value behind it.

The only use for GPS is that others know where the picture was taken.

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VirtualMirage
VirtualMirage Veteran Member • Posts: 3,924
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

headfirst wrote:

There are parts of the world (like China, a major market) where GPS is not allowed. previously they had 2 SKUs with the additional costs of that.

The A77 II battery life is already down on the original - what would it be with GPS enabled as well?

& that's before we've even discussed packaging, heat, cost etc.

I agree with this thought.  Sony previously had to have two different models and SKUs for all cameras that had GPS as an option.  For those countries that GPS was permitted, the GPS option was sold and for those where it was not permitted, the model without GPS was sold.

To reduce manufacturing costs, simplify production runs, and to make these other countries happy Sony decided to nix the built in GPS.  This probably also helps Sony's strategy in becoming profitable again too by following their ultimate goal of slimming down, reduce redundancy, and becoming more efficient.

They probably also saw it as not a huge loss or hit against them being that none of the competition have built in GPS (they rely on third party or external accessories).  I'd imagine Sony will be going that direction too.

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K E Hoffman
K E Hoffman Senior Member • Posts: 5,101
In camera GPS convenient but incomplete
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Camera GPS is a very lossy data system. You have the GPS, but it only encodes when an image is taken.

You are much better off GEOTAGGING with a device that captures the entire story. So when you open the log file in an application like Lightroom.. you get your path.. you can see how you got from point a to point b etc.    I have an A77.. with an GPS.. it was a check box feature.. I would rather Sony spend money on a better LCD, better focus, sensor improvements vs. tooling and inventory management of two versions of a camera.

I wrote this in another thread...

Use your Phone free apps galore.

There are a ton of free phone apps. (that will work on an used phone that is not even set up with a plan) they create a .GPX log that will track where you were. As long as you sync your phone and camera clock. It auto tags the photos and since it is logging all the time... you actually get path on the map of where you were which a camera GPS won't do.

Don't have smartphone.. don't want to run the battery down?

This ties voice notes to location..

http://www.amazon.com/Columbus-Bluetooth-Driverless-waypoints-Compatible/dp/B001JJRBU8/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1403375266&sr=8-12&keywords=gps+logger

Sony has not yet added a note taking feature like some camera have which would be useful.  This  + camera could be the perfect solution.  Geotagged images and voice notes.. like names etc.

cheaper tools

http://www.amazon.com/i-gotU-GT-120-Chipset-Software-Included/dp/B001IMJV0E/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1403375266&sr=8-9&keywords=gps+logger

http://www.amazon.com/Canmore-GT-730FL-S-Rechargeable-Waypoints-Compatible/dp/B002UWKUZQ/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1403375266&sr=8-7&keywords=gps+logger

How to use the log file

If you use Lightroom you can add tags to your images in the DB with included functions.

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/creative-suite-podcast-photographers/how-to-use-gpx-logs-to-geotag-your-photos-with-lightroom-4/

If you want the RAW tagged.. before Lightroom or other tool...

Free apps.

http://www.geotagphotos.net/user-guide#toc-supported-image-formats

http://www.dslrsoftware.com/gps_embedder.php

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Keith Hanlan
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Re: In camera GPS convenient but incomplete

That's a great collection of links. I've bookmarked your post. Thank you.

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Lensmate
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Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II
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I've never ever had the need for GPS.....drain on the system. Good riddance....

Never used the movie feature either.....would like to see that gone and other features added that are more related to photography. [I have a camcorder, don't need extra...]

The Sony A77m2 took away the remote feature that was on the A77 and I miss that a lot........even though I have the cable trigger, I found the wireless remote more useful.

C'est la vie...

PS useful links and help there Ken~

Martin P

https://www.flickr.com/photos/photosauraus_rex/

K E Hoffman
K E Hoffman Senior Member • Posts: 5,101
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

Lensmate wrote:

I've never ever had the need for GPS.....drain on the system. Good riddance....

Never used the movie feature either.....would like to see that gone and other features added that are more related to photography. [I have a camcorder, don't need extra...]

The Sony A77m2 took away the remote feature that was on the A77 and I miss that a lot........even though I have the cable trigger, I found the wireless remote more useful.

C'est la vie...

PS useful links and help there Ken~

Martin P

https://www.flickr.com/photos/photosauraus_rex/

Wireless trigger for wired cable..

http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Shutter-Receiver-S1R-Fancierstudio/dp/B004HR2W4E/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1403667586&sr=8-15&keywords=sony+wireless+trigger+shutter+Minolta

I didn't use the remote much.. but that is a shame.  I guess I need to take that tablet with me for detailed control of the system.

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eddiewood Contributing Member • Posts: 626
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

Lensmate wrote:

I've never ever had the need for GPS.....drain on the system. Good riddance....

Never used the movie feature either.....would like to see that gone and other features added that are more related to photography. [I have a camcorder, don't need extra...]

The Sony A77m2 took away the remote feature that was on the A77 and I miss that a lot........even though I have the cable trigger, I found the wireless remote more useful.

C'est la vie...

PS useful links and help there Ken~

Martin P

https://www.flickr.com/photos/photosauraus_rex/

"The Sony A77m2 took away the remote feature that was on the A77"

Are you sure?

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MikeNannie
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Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

eddiewood wrote:

Lensmate wrote:

I've never ever had the need for GPS.....drain on the system. Good riddance....

Never used the movie feature either.....would like to see that gone and other features added that are more related to photography. [I have a camcorder, don't need extra...]

The Sony A77m2 took away the remote feature that was on the A77 and I miss that a lot........even though I have the cable trigger, I found the wireless remote more useful.

C'est la vie...

PS useful links and help there Ken~

Martin P

https://www.flickr.com/photos/photosauraus_rex/

"The Sony A77m2 took away the remote feature that was on the A77"

Are you sure?

The remote control option is still there. It's on the setup menu, screen 3. I just looked at my camera. If I remember correctly, on my a580, it was on the drive menu, so maybe that is what is causing the confusion?

You can also use a wifi connection and your phone. My testing around the house however seemed to indicate a relatively short range. You have to use the Sony My Memories app on your phone for connectivity. Not sure if any other apps work, but it doubt it, it's probably a proprietary connection protocol.

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eddiewood Contributing Member • Posts: 626
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

You had to go and spoil it!

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MikeNannie
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Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

eddiewood wrote:

You had to go and spoil it!

Sorry

Had me worried so I had to go check. I like that feature.

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nandbytes Senior Member • Posts: 5,950
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

TroyMich wrote:

I own the A77 and do not see the need obviously to upgrade. I surely would not if I had to sacrifice GPS for Wifi. GPS is a great feature for travel. For them to forego GPS for Wifi is a mistake. For me, the A77 is more valuable than the A77II.

They just updated the Sony RX100II with the RX100III which also does not have GPS. Now, this is probably one of the best small travel point and shoots on the planet and for Sony not to add this feature is a miss!

What's up with Sony and GPS?

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SLT (and mirrorless especially) already have less battery life than a traditional DSLR. So if I am on travel and need to conserve battery guess what gets turned off first. the GPS...

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tbcass
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Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

Probably due to cost and the fact that few people actually use the feature. I keep it turned off to extend battery life. Unfortunately it's one of those features where a small number of people get screwed because the market place doesn't want it.

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Claudio Galli Contributing Member • Posts: 551
Re: Loss of GPS in the NEW A77II

tbcass wrote:

Probably due to cost and the fact that few people actually use the feature.

I think you are right

I keep it turned off to extend battery life

As it happens to me to travel around the world for tourism, the first thing I do when I buy a camera is to buy two additional batteries. Having the GPS on all day long has never been a problem. Why nobody suggests the simple solution of an additional battery? By the way, even with the GPS on, many times I arrive at the end of the day without the need to change the battery.

Unfortunately it's one of those features where a small number of people get screwed because the market place doesn't want it.

Unfortunately I am one of those! So for my RX100II I use the iPhone with gps4cam app.

Anyhow, thanks Tom for your always interesting comments on these forums, I rarely miss one!

Claudio

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