E-P5 shutter shock ...

Seems I have it.  I just came home from a brief vacation with my new E-P5 and kit lenses 14-42 R II & 40-150. I'm aware of the limitations of these lenses and will be replacing them at some point ... although the 14-42 is surprisingly good when shutter schlock doesn't rear its ugly head.

That's the big disappointment with my new E-P5.  I'd say roughly a third or more of the shots have that "shutter shock" look, and most of those were shot in the range that would create the shutter shock (according to all the reports I've read).

I'd already loaded the latest firmware and had set the camera to 0 seconds in the shutter shock menu. IS has been set to I.S. 1.

Bought the camera direct from Olympus as a refurbish. Send it back? Exchange it for another of the same model (only to have the problem reoccur!)? I'd be curious to know how others have handled this problem .... which, by the way, doesn't seem to be an issue with my E-PM2.

It might not be shutter shock. What were shutter speeds you were using with your lenses. If you used your 40-150 at 150mm image blur is very easily introduce to images unless you are using appropriate shutter speeds. Post some sample images of this problem with both lenses.

Paulmorgan wrote:

veroman wrote:

Seems I have it. I just came home from a brief vacation with my new E-P5 and kit lenses 14-42 R II & 40-150. I'm aware of the limitations of these lenses and will be replacing them at some point ... although the 14-42 is surprisingly good when shutter schlock doesn't rear its ugly head.

That's the big disappointment with my new E-P5. I'd say roughly a third or more of the shots have that "shutter shock" look, and most of those were shot in the range that would create the shutter shock (according to all the reports I've read).

I'd already loaded the latest firmware and had set the camera to 0 seconds in the shutter shock menu. IS has been set to I.S. 1.

Bought the camera direct from Olympus as a refurbish. Send it back? Exchange it for another of the same model (only to have the problem reoccur!)? I'd be curious to know how others have handled this problem .... which, by the way, doesn't seem to be an issue with my E-PM2.

I doubt its shutter shock.

It IS shutter shock. I've been shooting professionally for many years and have owned and used a wide variety of cameras and lenses.  I'm no newcomer to this or to Micro Four Thirds.  I've owned several M4:3 cameras, including the first one, the Panasonic G1.

I tested my E-P5 for shutter shock this morning by turning off IS, mounting it on a tripod and shooting between 1/60 and 1/200. The results were the same as shooting hand held: the "ghosting" otherwise know as "shutter shock."

James Pilcher wrote:

.... I cannot advise you how to handle a return, repair, or exchange. I can suggest that you review your shooting habits to be 100% sure the problem is not your technique ...

If and when technique is responsible, problems exist at nearly all shutter speeds, not just within the range of 1/60 to 1/200, as has been reported by others. At higher and lower shutter speeds I do not see the ghosting.

I'd be the first one to know if the problems I'm experiencing are a matter of technique.

SteveG
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Paulmorgan wrote:

veroman wrote:

James Pilcher wrote:

.... I cannot advise you how to handle a return, repair, or exchange. I can suggest that you review your shooting habits to be 100% sure the problem is not your technique ...

If and when technique is responsible, problems exist at nearly all shutter speeds, not just within the range of 1/60 to 1/200, as has been reported by others. At higher and lower shutter speeds I do not see the ghosting.

I'd be the first one to know if the problems I'm experiencing are a matter of technique.

SteveG
'When love and skill work together, expect a masterpiece.'
— Found in a Chinese Fortune Cookie
www.stephenmichaelgarey.com

I'd be the first one to know if the problems I'm experiencing are a matter of technique.

Really

Yes, really. Why is that so hard to understand? After many years of shooting professionally and as an enthusiast, one develops a rather reliable objectivity about one's own work ... including the ability to distinguish between problems caused by gear issues and those caused by technique. If I thought or even suspected that my "shutter shock" issue had to do with my own technique, I never would have posted. Again, why is this so hard to understand?

veroman wrote:

Seems I have it. I just came home from a brief vacation with my new E-P5 and kit lenses 14-42 R II & 40-150. I'm aware of the limitations of these lenses and will be replacing them at some point ... although the 14-42 is surprisingly good when shutter schlock doesn't rear its ugly head.

That's the big disappointment with my new E-P5. I'd say roughly a third or more of the shots have that "shutter shock" look, and most of those were shot in the range that would create the shutter shock (according to all the reports I've read).

I'd already loaded the latest firmware and had set the camera to 0 seconds in the shutter shock menu. IS has been set to I.S. 1.

Bought the camera direct from Olympus as a refurbish. Send it back? Exchange it for another of the same model (only to have the problem reoccur!)? I'd be curious to know how others have handled this problem .... which, by the way, doesn't seem to be an issue with my E-PM2.

Steve,

I see you have a hot discussion with Paul. May I interrupt you?

Shutter shock on my EM1 is 100% cured with "AntiShock=0" in the menu and "AntiShock Single" in the ControlPanel's shutter mode. See my famous thread about this ...

Either your EP5 sample behaves very different from any other camera or you fell into the same pit as others:

It is not enough to set AntiShock=0 in the menu, additinally you have to change your shutter mode to "Single Frame AntiShock" (in your SuperControlpanel grid, it is the rectangle symbol with the caret to the left, like this <>[]  instead of this [] )

Maybe you already knew this before and did it like this, but you did not mention shutter mode at all in your text and this makes me wondering ....

Christof

CrisPhoto wrote:

I see you have a hot discussion with Paul. May I interrupt you?

Shutter shock on my EM1 is 100% cured with "AntiShock=0" in the menu and "AntiShock Single" in the ControlPanel's shutter mode. See my famous thread about this ...

Either your EP5 sample behaves very different from any other camera or you fell into the same pit as others:

It is not enough to set AntiShock=0 in the menu, additinally you have to change your shutter mode to "Single Frame AntiShock" (in your SuperControlpanel grid, it is the rectangle symbol with the caret to the left, like this <>[] instead of this [] )

Maybe you already knew this before and did it like this, but you did not mention shutter mode at all in your text and this makes me wondering ....

Well ... I wouldn't call it a "hot" discussion, but I guess if allowed to continue, it could indeed get heated up.  Anyway ... yes, that is how my camera is set up.  After some further testing this afternoon with different lenses, I can safely say the following:

1) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 14-54 w/adapter (although the AF, expectedly, is incredibly slow)

2) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 25mm f/2.8 w/adapter (the AF is on the quick side with this lens)

3) It occurs with the Zuiko 14-42 w/adapter

4) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 50mm f/2 Macro w/adapter

5) It happens 100% of the time when I use my Zuiko 18-180 w/adapter, although this has to be the worst choice of lens to use with an M4:3 camera. It's great on my E-5, though.

I beginning to suspect a possible problem with the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II and its interaction with the camera as well as a possible problem with the camera itself.  Not sure at the moment.  I need to shoot more and get the know the camera even better.  The interesting thing ... to me anyway ... is that I'm not experiencing the ghosting at all when the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II is mounted to my E-PM2.

Post some sample photos?

The short delay that is introduced by setting 0s anti-shock (reported to be around 1/40s) may not be enough for all vibration and resonance to die down. It depends on the complete unit of camera + lens + anything else attached.

So I can easily believe that while people with an E-M1 say shutter shock has been cured it may not be cured on the smaller and lighter E-P5 with some lenses.

Don't despair that nobody seems to believe you. The first one to report a problem is always blamed for user error. It will take more people to claim and demonstrate that the shutter shock problem has not magically disappeared under all circumstances by the 0s anti-shock setting. And in the end some people will never believe it because for them it's a matter of opinion and not of fact.

From all the camera's that received the 0s anti-shock setting through a firmware update the E-P5 was the worst offender so it is the most likely candidate to not be fully cured.

Paul De Bra wrote:

The short delay that is introduced by setting 0s anti-shock (reported to be around 1/40s) may not be enough for all vibration and resonance to die down. It depends on the complete unit of camera + lens + anything else attached.

So I can easily believe that while people with an E-M1 say shutter shock has been cured it may not be cured on the smaller and lighter E-P5 with some lenses.

Don't despair that nobody seems to believe you. The first one to report a problem is always blamed for user error. It will take more people to claim and demonstrate that the shutter shock problem has not magically disappeared under all circumstances by the 0s anti-shock setting. And in the end some people will never believe it because for them it's a matter of opinion and not of fact.

From all the camera's that received the 0s anti-shock setting through a firmware update the E-P5 was the worst offender so it is the most likely candidate to not be fully cured.

Thank you for your support and for the information.  I didn't know that the E-P5 was the "worst offender."  On that basis, I might decide to return it for a refund.  What a shame.  It's an otherwise fine camera, from handling to build to IQ.  Thanks again.

veroman wrote:

CrisPhoto wrote:

I see you have a hot discussion with Paul. May I interrupt you?

Shutter shock on my EM1 is 100% cured with "AntiShock=0" in the menu and "AntiShock Single" in the ControlPanel's shutter mode. See my famous thread about this ...

Either your EP5 sample behaves very different from any other camera or you fell into the same pit as others:

It is not enough to set AntiShock=0 in the menu, additinally you have to change your shutter mode to "Single Frame AntiShock" (in your SuperControlpanel grid, it is the rectangle symbol with the caret to the left, like this <>[] instead of this [] )

Did you verify that you didn't forget to do what CrisPhoto describes above? This has turned out to be the problem in other cases where people have reported continued problems with SS after turning 0-second AS on.

Maybe you already knew this before and did it like this, but you did not mention shutter mode at all in your text and this makes me wondering ....

Well ... I wouldn't call it a "hot" discussion, but I guess if allowed to continue, it could indeed get heated up. Anyway ... yes, that is how my camera is set up. After some further testing this afternoon with different lenses, I can safely say the following:

1) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 14-54 w/adapter (although the AF, expectedly, is incredibly slow)

2) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 25mm f/2.8 w/adapter (the AF is on the quick side with this lens)

3) It occurs with the Zuiko 14-42 w/adapter

4) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 50mm f/2 Macro w/adapter

5) It happens 100% of the time when I use my Zuiko 18-180 w/adapter, although this has to be the worst choice of lens to use with an M4:3 camera. It's great on my E-5, though.

I beginning to suspect a possible problem with the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II and its interaction with the camera as well as a possible problem with the camera itself. Not sure at the moment. I need to shoot more and get the know the camera even better. The interesting thing ... to me anyway ... is that I'm not experiencing the ghosting at all when the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II is mounted to my E-PM2.

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veroman wrote:

CrisPhoto wrote:

I see you have a hot discussion with Paul. May I interrupt you?

Shutter shock on my EM1 is 100% cured with "AntiShock=0" in the menu and "AntiShock Single" in the ControlPanel's shutter mode. See my famous thread about this ...

Either your EP5 sample behaves very different from any other camera or you fell into the same pit as others:

It is not enough to set AntiShock=0 in the menu, additinally you have to change your shutter mode to "Single Frame AntiShock" (in your SuperControlpanel grid, it is the rectangle symbol with the caret to the left, like this <>[] instead of this [] )

Maybe you already knew this before and did it like this, but you did not mention shutter mode at all in your text and this makes me wondering ....

Well ... I wouldn't call it a "hot" discussion, but I guess if allowed to continue, it could indeed get heated up. Anyway ... yes, that is how my camera is set up. After some further testing this afternoon with different lenses, I can safely say the following:

1) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 14-54 w/adapter (although the AF, expectedly, is incredibly slow)

2) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 25mm f/2.8 w/adapter (the AF is on the quick side with this lens)

3) It occurs with the Zuiko 14-42 w/adapter

4) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 50mm f/2 Macro w/adapter

5) It happens 100% of the time when I use my Zuiko 18-180 w/adapter, although this has to be the worst choice of lens to use with an M4:3 camera. It's great on my E-5, though.

I beginning to suspect a possible problem with the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II and its interaction with the camera as well as a possible problem with the camera itself. Not sure at the moment. I need to shoot more and get the know the camera even better. The interesting thing ... to me anyway ... is that I'm not experiencing the ghosting at all when the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II is mounted to my E-PM2.

Is the 14-42 R II the new pancake zoom? I read about an issue that it can cause backfocus when it is zoomed to max (42mm).

By the way, I can confirm that AntiShock=0 does not always help. My 40-150mm zoom was the worst lens in my ShutterShock test environment, even on tripod (especially on MY tripod).

While all other lenses are cured, the 40-150 tripod combo still shows some blur.

Maybe the 14-42 is similar in this regard?

Anyhow, I would also like to see a test shot ....

Christof

CrisPhoto wrote:

veroman wrote:

CrisPhoto wrote:

I see you have a hot discussion with Paul. May I interrupt you?

Shutter shock on my EM1 is 100% cured with "AntiShock=0" in the menu and "AntiShock Single" in the ControlPanel's shutter mode. See my famous thread about this ...

Either your EP5 sample behaves very different from any other camera or you fell into the same pit as others:

It is not enough to set AntiShock=0 in the menu, additinally you have to change your shutter mode to "Single Frame AntiShock" (in your SuperControlpanel grid, it is the rectangle symbol with the caret to the left, like this <>[] instead of this [] )

Maybe you already knew this before and did it like this, but you did not mention shutter mode at all in your text and this makes me wondering ....

Well ... I wouldn't call it a "hot" discussion, but I guess if allowed to continue, it could indeed get heated up. Anyway ... yes, that is how my camera is set up. After some further testing this afternoon with different lenses, I can safely say the following:

1) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 14-54 w/adapter (although the AF, expectedly, is incredibly slow)

2) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 25mm f/2.8 w/adapter (the AF is on the quick side with this lens)

3) It occurs with the Zuiko 14-42 w/adapter

4) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 50mm f/2 Macro w/adapter

5) It happens 100% of the time when I use my Zuiko 18-180 w/adapter, although this has to be the worst choice of lens to use with an M4:3 camera. It's great on my E-5, though.

I beginning to suspect a possible problem with the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II and its interaction with the camera as well as a possible problem with the camera itself. Not sure at the moment. I need to shoot more and get the know the camera even better. The interesting thing ... to me anyway ... is that I'm not experiencing the ghosting at all when the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II is mounted to my E-PM2.

Is the 14-42 R II the new pancake zoom? I read about an issue that it can cause backfocus when it is zoomed to max (42mm).

By the way, I can confirm that AntiShock=0 does not always help. My 40-150mm zoom was the worst lens in my ShutterShock test environment, even on tripod (especially on MY tripod).

While all other lenses are cured, the 40-150 tripod combo still shows some blur.

Interesting. Do you see this in tripod shots only or when shooting hand-held as well. Haven't yet tested my 40-150 with 0-second AS. I have just veririfed that the SS problem is gone with the other lenses where it used to be the most troubling (75/1.8, 100-300, and the 75-300 II that I just bought).

Maybe the 14-42 is similar in this regard?

Anyhow, I would also like to see a test shot ....

Christof

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Anders W wrote:

CrisPhoto wrote:

veroman wrote:

CrisPhoto wrote:

I see you have a hot discussion with Paul. May I interrupt you?

Shutter shock on my EM1 is 100% cured with "AntiShock=0" in the menu and "AntiShock Single" in the ControlPanel's shutter mode. See my famous thread about this ...

Either your EP5 sample behaves very different from any other camera or you fell into the same pit as others:

It is not enough to set AntiShock=0 in the menu, additinally you have to change your shutter mode to "Single Frame AntiShock" (in your SuperControlpanel grid, it is the rectangle symbol with the caret to the left, like this <>[] instead of this [] )

Maybe you already knew this before and did it like this, but you did not mention shutter mode at all in your text and this makes me wondering ....

Well ... I wouldn't call it a "hot" discussion, but I guess if allowed to continue, it could indeed get heated up. Anyway ... yes, that is how my camera is set up. After some further testing this afternoon with different lenses, I can safely say the following:

1) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 14-54 w/adapter (although the AF, expectedly, is incredibly slow)

2) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 25mm f/2.8 w/adapter (the AF is on the quick side with this lens)

3) It occurs with the Zuiko 14-42 w/adapter

4) It doesn't happen at all when I use my Olympus Zuiko 50mm f/2 Macro w/adapter

5) It happens 100% of the time when I use my Zuiko 18-180 w/adapter, although this has to be the worst choice of lens to use with an M4:3 camera. It's great on my E-5, though.

I beginning to suspect a possible problem with the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II and its interaction with the camera as well as a possible problem with the camera itself. Not sure at the moment. I need to shoot more and get the know the camera even better. The interesting thing ... to me anyway ... is that I'm not experiencing the ghosting at all when the M. Zuiko 14-42 R II is mounted to my E-PM2.

Is the 14-42 R II the new pancake zoom? I read about an issue that it can cause backfocus when it is zoomed to max (42mm).

By the way, I can confirm that AntiShock=0 does not always help. My 40-150mm zoom was the worst lens in my ShutterShock test environment, even on tripod (especially on MY tripod).

While all other lenses are cured, the 40-150 tripod combo still shows some blur.

Interesting. Do you see this in tripod shots only or when shooting hand-held as well. Haven't yet tested my 40-150 with 0-second AS. I have just veririfed that the SS problem is gone with the other lenses where it used to be the most troubling (75/1.8, 100-300, and the 75-300 II that I just bought).

Maybe the 14-42 is similar in this regard?

Anyhow, I would also like to see a test shot ....

Christof

Don't see the double blur this often since the firmware update.

The only time I saw it again was from tripod when doing some macro shots with the 40-150 fully extended and a macro lens in front. Maybe the macro lens adds to the problem with it's weight ...

Christof

Anders W wrote:

veroman wrote:

CrisPhoto wrote:

I see you have a hot discussion with Paul. May I interrupt you?

Shutter shock on my EM1 is 100% cured with "AntiShock=0" in the menu and "AntiShock Single" in the ControlPanel's shutter mode. See my famous thread about this ...

Either your EP5 sample behaves very different from any other camera or you fell into the same pit as others:

It is not enough to set AntiShock=0 in the menu, additinally you have to change your shutter mode to "Single Frame AntiShock" (in your SuperControlpanel grid, it is the rectangle symbol with the caret to the left, like this <>[] instead of this [] )

Did you verify that you didn't forget to do what CrisPhoto describes above?....

As I've posted, my settings are what is described above.