Finally a nail in the Leica coffin

Started Jun 19, 2014 | Discussions
eyeswideshut Regular Member • Posts: 320
Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.

Just another Canon shooter wrote:

Marty4650 wrote:

People buy Leicas for a lot of reasons, and image quality, which happens to be very high, is only one of those reasons. No one thinks a Sony is a luxury item or a status symbol. Even if you encrust it with jewels and call it a Hasselblad.

[...]

Leica, who really does have outstanding products, has become the benchmark for profligate spending. The problem is... while it might be 10% better it costs 1000% more. And that is just a problem for me, and not a problem for everyone.

I can understand this but not entirely. A luxury car turns heads any time. So does a luxury fur coat, etc. But only a small minority of people know what Leica means (today), and many of those who do, think it is terribly overpriced and not really worth the hype, just look at the responses here. If owning a Leica makes their owners feel good, for whatever reason, that is fine with me. But a luxury symbol (to the rest of the public) - I'd take this with a grain of salt. Most people would be more impressed to see you shooting with an iphone, and will take your Leica for an antique film camera.

That's why you are "just another canon shooter". You figured, might as well go with a brand even an ordinary chump knows

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Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.

eyeswideshut wrote:

That's why you are "just another canon shooter". You figured, might as well go with a brand even an ordinary chump knows

I own audiophile equipment that is less known to the public even than the Leica (and as expensive). But I did not buy it to impress my guests - they would be much more impressed by a cheap Sony receiver with a lot of whistles and bells. When my guests see my speakers, for example, they ask: Bose? I just smile.

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steelhead3 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,248
Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.

They maybe can't tell the difference?

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SeeRoy Senior Member • Posts: 1,666
Re: Finally a nail in the Leica coffin

Help Steve feed his growing family...

Oh no, sorry, that's the other guy.

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eyeswideshut Regular Member • Posts: 320
Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.
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Just another Canon shooter wrote:

eyeswideshut wrote:

That's why you are "just another canon shooter". You figured, might as well go with a brand even an ordinary chump knows

I own audiophile equipment that is less known to the public even than the Leica (and as expensive). But I did not buy it to impress my guests - they would be much more impressed by a cheap Sony receiver with a lot of whistles and bells. When my guests see my speakers, for example, they ask: Bose? I just smile.

Can you still impress people with stereo equipment? I thought that pretty much went out with the hip huggers and bell bottoms.

Anyway, enough of that 'I can impress people' nonsense. I just hope you don't waste it on Beats earphones 

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HussH Junior Member • Posts: 34
Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.
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Just another Canon shooter wrote:

Most people would be more impressed to see you shooting with an iphone, and will take your Leica for an antique film camera.

Funny how far off you are. The older the camera looks, the more people are impressed from my experience. No one thinks it's a big deal taking pics with an iphone. everyone has them and they require no skill to use. People either ignore me or seem annoyed when i used a big DSLR.
If I use a Leica they pay far more attention. They want to know about the process. If I use my old Rolleiflex they freak out and crowd around me to get their photos taken. Same reaction if I use an old Zeiss Ikon or Voigtlander.
Cameras like this, that require more of an investment in the process by the photographer, get more respect from the subject as they know you are working for the result.

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Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.

HussH wrote:

Just another Canon shooter wrote:

Most people would be more impressed to see you shooting with an iphone, and will take your Leica for an antique film camera.

Funny how far off you are. The older the camera looks, the more people are impressed from my experience. No one thinks it's a big deal taking pics with an iphone. everyone has them and they require no skill to use. People either ignore me or seem annoyed when i used a big DSLR.
If I use a Leica they pay far more attention. They want to know about the process.

C-41?

If I use my old Rolleiflex they freak out and crowd around me to get their photos taken.

So they take your Leica as a compact version of your old Rolleiflex? So they do take your Leica for an antique film camera?

I bet most people would not be able to tell your Leica from a Sony mirrorless. But if you can, that is OK, and this is all that counts, I have no problem with that. I have my toys, too.

Same reaction if I use an old Zeiss Ikon or Voigtlander.
Cameras like this, that require more of an investment in the process by the photographer, get more respect from the subject as they know you are working for the result.

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Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.

HussH wrote:

Just another Canon shooter wrote:

Most people would be more impressed to see you shooting with an iphone, and will take your Leica for an antique film camera.

Funny how far off you are. The older the camera looks, the more people are impressed from my experience. No one thinks it's a big deal taking pics with an iphone. everyone has them and they require no skill to use. People either ignore me or seem annoyed when i used a big DSLR.
If I use a Leica they pay far more attention. They want to know about the process. If I use my old Rolleiflex they freak out and crowd around me to get their photos taken. Same reaction if I use an old Zeiss Ikon or Voigtlander.
Cameras like this, that require more of an investment in the process by the photographer, get more respect from the subject as they know you are working for the result.

Is anyone impressed by a camera these days?  Other than sad individuals like us of course.

HussH Junior Member • Posts: 34
Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.

meland wrote:

HussH wrote:

Just another Canon shooter wrote:

Most people would be more impressed to see you shooting with an iphone, and will take your Leica for an antique film camera.

Funny how far off you are. The older the camera looks, the more people are impressed from my experience. No one thinks it's a big deal taking pics with an iphone. everyone has them and they require no skill to use. People either ignore me or seem annoyed when i used a big DSLR.
If I use a Leica they pay far more attention. They want to know about the process. If I use my old Rolleiflex they freak out and crowd around me to get their photos taken. Same reaction if I use an old Zeiss Ikon or Voigtlander.
Cameras like this, that require more of an investment in the process by the photographer, get more respect from the subject as they know you are working for the result.

Is anyone impressed by a camera these days? Other than sad individuals like us of course.

Yes. People arent impressed by the current auto everything jobs as the avg person thinks that no skill is involved.
People are impressed if you use an older camera where you are involved directly in the process.
The work on my website has sold really well, and not a single shot was taken with autofocus cameras. The majority are with full mechanical film cameras, with the digital Leica ME being my only 'modern' camera.
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Kids flipped when i took their photos with a Leica rangefinder while they were skateboarding, while they ignored the dslrs present. The results of those can be seen under Art of the Grind.
The work is currently being sold at Hamilton Galleries on Ocean in Santa Monica, CA. A shameless plug to be sure, but not bad considering it was apparently taken with my "toys"...

Peace out
Huss

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Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.

HussH wrote:

meland wrote:

HussH wrote:

Just another Canon shooter wrote:

Most people would be more impressed to see you shooting with an iphone, and will take your Leica for an antique film camera.

Funny how far off you are. The older the camera looks, the more people are impressed from my experience. No one thinks it's a big deal taking pics with an iphone. everyone has them and they require no skill to use. People either ignore me or seem annoyed when i used a big DSLR.
If I use a Leica they pay far more attention. They want to know about the process. If I use my old Rolleiflex they freak out and crowd around me to get their photos taken. Same reaction if I use an old Zeiss Ikon or Voigtlander.
Cameras like this, that require more of an investment in the process by the photographer, get more respect from the subject as they know you are working for the result.

Is anyone impressed by a camera these days? Other than sad individuals like us of course.

Yes. People arent impressed by the current auto everything jobs as the avg person thinks that no skill is involved.
People are impressed if you use an older camera where you are involved directly in the process.
The work on my website has sold really well, and not a single shot was taken with autofocus cameras. The majority are with full mechanical film cameras, with the digital Leica ME being my only 'modern' camera.
husshardan.com
Kids flipped when i took their photos with a Leica rangefinder while they were skateboarding, while they ignored the dslrs present. The results of those can be seen under Art of the Grind.
The work is currently being sold at Hamilton Galleries on Ocean in Santa Monica, CA. A shameless plug to be sure, but not bad considering it was apparently taken with my "toys"...

Peace out
Huss

Wow, I bet your Mum is proud of You..

When I stand outside my home I can hear You Blowing Your Trumpet...........

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HussH Junior Member • Posts: 34
Re: Put the coffin away. Leica is doing fine.
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Wetzlarkid wrote:

HussH wrote:

meland wrote:

HussH wrote:

Just another Canon shooter wrote:

Most people would be more impressed to see you shooting with an iphone, and will take your Leica for an antique film camera.

Funny how far off you are. The older the camera looks, the more people are impressed from my experience. No one thinks it's a big deal taking pics with an iphone. everyone has them and they require no skill to use. People either ignore me or seem annoyed when i used a big DSLR.
If I use a Leica they pay far more attention. They want to know about the process. If I use my old Rolleiflex they freak out and crowd around me to get their photos taken. Same reaction if I use an old Zeiss Ikon or Voigtlander.
Cameras like this, that require more of an investment in the process by the photographer, get more respect from the subject as they know you are working for the result.

Is anyone impressed by a camera these days? Other than sad individuals like us of course.

Yes. People arent impressed by the current auto everything jobs as the avg person thinks that no skill is involved.
People are impressed if you use an older camera where you are involved directly in the process.
The work on my website has sold really well, and not a single shot was taken with autofocus cameras. The majority are with full mechanical film cameras, with the digital Leica ME being my only 'modern' camera.
husshardan.com
Kids flipped when i took their photos with a Leica rangefinder while they were skateboarding, while they ignored the dslrs present. The results of those can be seen under Art of the Grind.
The work is currently being sold at Hamilton Galleries on Ocean in Santa Monica, CA. A shameless plug to be sure, but not bad considering it was apparently taken with my "toys"...

Peace out
Huss

Wow, I bet your Mum is proud of You..

When I stand outside my home I can hear You Blowing Your Trumpet...........

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She is and it is a French horn not a trumpet.
People aren't impressed by a trumpet, but pull out a French horn...

digicosmos Regular Member • Posts: 116
Re: Finally a nail in the Leica coffin

First, a normal lens with an f1.8 aperture isn't terribly difficult to design.  Does Sony have a 21mm f1.4?

Second, sharpness doesn't mean everything.  There are plenty of famous lenses that are not the sharpest but still worshiped.

Third, Leica is the whole package.  Rangefinders are still the best option for street photography.  At least, for A7r, the shutter noise is the deal breaker for most people.

Most importantly, Leica and the A7 series are aimed at different people.  It doesn't have to be one or the other.  Sometimes a Leica user will get a A7 just to play with...

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I had a look at both of the photos and both look like crap. Doesn't matter how sharp or not sharp they are. They are embarrassing to call them photographs. Of what?

Pretty much like all of the photos in "Just another Canon shooter"s gallery.

Close the thread and move on, there's absolutely nothing noteworthy to see here except gear masturbation.

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Andrewteee Senior Member • Posts: 2,746
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Ron A 19 wrote:

These comparisons are few and far between. Seems to me the Leica lenses are just not as good as they claim they are. Also, that Sony 55 is incredibly sharp and has less noisy bokeh.

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2014/06/19/crazy-comparison-sony-a7s-551-8-vs-leica-m-240-50-apo/

I'm sure it was nice for the camera companies before they all had to deal with blog readers who get all worked over such blog posts. But it seems all these camera companies are still in business even though each one has been predicted to fail at least once a day since the birth of the Internet. How do they manage to do that?

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Re: Finally a nail in the Leica coffin

TheChefs wrote:

I had a look at both of the photos and both look like crap. Doesn't matter how sharp or not sharp they are. They are embarrassing to call them photographs. Of what?

Pretty much like all of the photos in "Just another Canon shooter"s gallery.

LOL! The only two actual photos there are taken with the smartphone in my signature! But they still have better bokeh than the Leica one!

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From my experience they are both really good and I use the 50 for all my low light portraits and when I feel the need to manual focus for fun.  The 55 is for my automatic purposes, but I haven't used the  55 for portraits just yet.

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It's hard to tell them apart wide open in portrait head shots.

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Bill Donnell Senior Member • Posts: 1,016
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Leica is like designer jeans. Pay more for the name.

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Leica is like designer jeans. Pay more for the name.

Using your theory:- we should all drive Yugo's or Geo's.
Nah" I don't think so..Leica's are real cameras,
not toys like some of the other krapp peddled by the so called major camera manufacturers­čś│
I use Gold Amex, Leica cameras and drive a Jaguar,
am I happy - You Bet...

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