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Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

Started May 25, 2014 | Discussions
Howard
Howard Senior Member • Posts: 1,885
Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

Hi,

I am sure this topic has been discussed before, but the information I found seems to be a bit outdated.

I have been a long time SLR/DSLR user. But lately the idea of having a more portable system seems more and more appealing to me. To be sure, I will still keep my DSLR system. In fact, I will have to use my telephoto lens (a rather large 300mm f/2.8 lens with extenders). But for general purpose -- landscape, street scene, people, even macro -- a small camera with 1 lens sounds pretty good to me.

Which camera and lens kit would you recommend? I am looking at the Olympus E-PM2 with the 14-42 lens kit, would this be a good choice? Is the lens good?

Again, I mainly want this system to supplement rather than replace my DSLR system, please keep that in mind when you make recommendations.

Thanks in advance,

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Eric Nepean
Eric Nepean Veteran Member • Posts: 6,209
Re: Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

In addition to the EPM2 kit you mention I would also consider the GM1 with its kit zoom, for two reasons

1)The GUI interface of Panasonic and Olympus are vastly different - recommend that you check carefully and choose the one that best fits your personal style

2)The kits zoom on the GM1 is slightly wider (24mm FF equivalent) than the EPM2 kit you mention - one can always narrow FOV in PP, but wider FOV is something only the lens can give you.

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MAubrey
MAubrey Senior Member • Posts: 1,600
Re: Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

The E-PM2 is an excellent camera. It's main flaw is its lack of controls, but that also makes for its greatest strength: size. And it's IQ is as good as any μ43 camera. You won't be disappointed there.

As for the lens, it's good for a kit lens, but that's all it is.

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JacquesC
JacquesC Veteran Member • Posts: 4,139
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Howard wrote:

Again, I mainly want this system to supplement rather than replace my DSLR system, please keep that in mind when you make recommendations.

I was in the same situation and went for the E-M10 + 14-42 IIR kit-lens.

The reasons why this works well for me:

1. The controls are close to what I'm used to - two control dials and easy and quick changes to WB & ISO

2. EVF - not quite the same as an OVF, but excellent nonetheless, and in some respects even better.

3. Handling is much the same as a DSLR, just a lot smaller and lighter

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s_grins
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Re: Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom
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Howard wrote:

Hi,

I am sure this topic has been discussed before, but the information I found seems to be a bit outdated.

I have been a long time SLR/DSLR user. But lately the idea of having a more portable system seems more and more appealing to me. To be sure, I will still keep my DSLR system. In fact, I will have to use my telephoto lens (a rather large 300mm f/2.8 lens with extenders). But for general purpose -- landscape, street scene, people, even macro -- a small camera with 1 lens sounds pretty good to me.

Which camera and lens kit would you recommend? I am looking at the Olympus E-PM2 with the 14-42 lens kit, would this be a good choice? Is the lens good?

Again, I mainly want this system to supplement rather than replace my DSLR system, please keep that in mind when you make recommendations.

Thanks in advance,

For you, with all you knowledgement and experience, I'd recommend to refresh the information you have collected before.

Nobody can give you better advice than yourself.

Also, if you're looking for small camera with one lens, you have to search compact cameras department.

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Ulric Veteran Member • Posts: 4,559
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I have the GM1 and recommend it to anyone looking for a compact ILC. Both the camera and kit lens are smallest in their categories and produce excellent results.

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Allan Brown
Allan Brown Veteran Member • Posts: 3,179
Re: Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

MAubrey wrote:

The E-PM2 is an excellent camera. It's main flaw is its lack of controls, but that also makes for its greatest strength: size. And it's IQ is as good as any μ43 camera. You won't be disappointed there.

As for the lens, it's good for a kit lens, but that's all it is.

I think you should clarify your statement a bit.

I have the EPM1 and, like the EPM2, it has all the controls you need - if you use the super Control Panel and the menus.

They are fully functional cameras.

For the OP, I pair up my EPM1 and my EPL5 with the new Panasonic 12-32 pancake zoom.

Allan

Chris R-UK Forum Pro • Posts: 22,843
Re: Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

If you just want a small camera to carry with you at all times, consider the new Sony RX100 MkIII.

If you want to buy into a system that you can add additional bodies and lenses to in the future, go M4/3

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Lawrence W Contributing Member • Posts: 834
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E-PM2 at this price is unbeatable value for money. Pair it with a pancake prime and you will be very happy with the IQ.

I have been shooting Nikon for 40+ years, and still loves to use my D7100 for wildlife. But for casual shooting, E-PM2 is my camera of choice, above EM5 and G5. It has given my excellent pictures of my little grand daughter, especially with either 20/f1.7 or 45/f1.8, both lovely lenses.

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Howard
OP Howard Senior Member • Posts: 1,885
Thanks all, looks like the E-PM2 and GM1

have emerged as contenders. I will do more research. Meanwhile if anyone has more recommendations/thoughts, that's always welcome.

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jalywol
jalywol Forum Pro • Posts: 12,302
Re: Thanks all, looks like the E-PM2 and GM1
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Howard wrote:

have emerged as contenders. I will do more research. Meanwhile if anyone has more recommendations/thoughts, that's always welcome.

The EPM2 and GM1 are the contenders of choice for your purposes, for sure.

I have owned and used both cameras, and have some additional notes about them both:

The kit lens on the GM1 is, IMO a bit better than the kit lens on the EPM2 in terms of IQ.  It has better contrast, and I think the output overall is a bit more dynamic looking.  However, it is a 12-32mm lens, vs 14-42mm, so you'd have to decide whether the 12mm is more useful to you than 42mm.... (I personally never used the 14-42mm on the Oly as I never cared for it at all, but I use the 12-32mm all the time on the GM1).  Also, the lens IS on the 12-32mm works better than the IBIS on the EPM2.

The EPM2 has the ability to add an external viewfinder.  This is a very useful feature in bright shooting situations.  HOWEVER...the native rear screen on the EPM2 is smaller in useable size due to the 16:9 dimensions vs the 3:2 dimensions on the GM1.  If you are planning to use only the rear LCD, the GM1 wins in this category.   Also, the GM1 LCD is slightly more visible in bright sunlight than the EPM2's.

The GM1 has much more sophisticated touch screen functionality.  The EPM2 has the super control panel, but the GM1 allows tremendous control of function selection via programmable tabs.  I never cared one way or another about touch screen functions before the GM1, but it's done so well on the camera that it really adds to the usability of it.

The EPM2 rear wheel is a bit less touchy than the wheel on the GM1.  However, there is some sample to sample variation, as the first GM1 I tried was difficult to turn the wheel without selecting a function accidentally, but the second one I have now has no problems at all with the wheel control. My suggestion would be to try one in the store if you have the chance.

The GM1 has an interesting shutter setup.  It has electronic first curtain, which means no shutter shock, whereas the EPM2 can give you SS if you are in the target shutter speed range (if you set the camera on 1/8 sec anti shock and do not use IBIS, you can pretty much avoid it, though).  The only real drawback to the electronic shutter on the GM1, however is the flash synch speed is only 1/50s max.  If you do lots of flash work, the GM1 is not the right camera for you.  (However, for occasional light flash use, it does have a built-in flash vs the clip-on that comes with the EPM2).

The EPM2 is a nice little camera with excellent output.  The GM1 is a little gem of a camera with excellent output.  In terms of giving a product a bit of magic, Panasonic designers really outdid themselves with this one.

After using them both, I would actually highly recommend them both, but I am happier with the GM1 overall.

-J

ntsan Senior Member • Posts: 1,029
Re: Thanks all, looks like the E-PM2 and GM1

I use the PZ14-42 + Auto lens cap with E-PM2, the auto lens cap make it very convenient, no more take lens cap off and rotate the lens before you can shoot the first photo.

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bigley Ling Veteran Member • Posts: 4,490
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Ulric wrote:

I have the GM1 and recommend it to anyone looking for a compact ILC. Both the camera and kit lens are smallest in their categories and produce excellent results.

Hmm, wonder how well the GM1 would work with say the Panasonic 12-35 2.8. I would rate that as the best compact m43 camera with one of the best zooms out there.

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Howard
OP Howard Senior Member • Posts: 1,885
Thanks for the deailed comparison!

Thanks for the deailed comparison!

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Ulric Veteran Member • Posts: 4,559
Re: Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

bigley Ling wrote:

Ulric wrote:

I have the GM1 and recommend it to anyone looking for a compact ILC. Both the camera and kit lens are smallest in their categories and produce excellent results.

Hmm, wonder how well the GM1 would work with say the Panasonic 12-35 2.8. I would rate that as the best compact m43 camera with one of the best zooms out there.

I'm pretty sure it would be excellent, but the 12-35 is quite a bit larger than the kit zoom:

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Howard
OP Howard Senior Member • Posts: 1,885
Oh, no, 12-35 2.8 defeats the purpose

for me. I want a portable small kit.

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Michael_13 Regular Member • Posts: 365
Re: Thanks all, looks like the E-PM2 and GM1

Hello J,
Thanks for the interesting comparison, as I am also interested in the GM1.
There's one question I could not get answered by the manual.
Is it possible to trigger an external flash with GM1's built in flash?
If not, it will probably be a deal breaker for me.

Greetings,
Michael

photofan1986
photofan1986 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,841
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One more vote for the GM1 here. It's really a special camera. Since I bought mine, I barely use my E-M5.

I also have the E-PM2 (for sale), and while it's a very nice camera, certainly for the current price, I find the GM1 just better in most area I care for. That is:

- better built quality. This little gem is so sexy.

- better IQ in most cases. How so? The sensors are about on par, but I get NO shutter shock at all ( a breeze!), while my E-PM2 was pretty severely affected. Oh and the kit lens is better than the Oly 14-42II.

- built-in flash. I know, the Oly has a hot shoe, but I don't need it on my pocketable camera. On the other hand, it's always nice to have a (tiltable) flash in camera just in case.

Yes, if you do a lot of flash photography, it's not the best tool. But I don't.

And I really love the 1/16.000 shutter that allows me shooting wide open with my 20 1.7 and 45 1.8 in bright sunlight.

I recently bought a used 20 1.7. Man, this comb rocks! I'm sure my E-M5 and 25 1.4 will get some shelf time.

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(unknown member) Veteran Member • Posts: 3,010
Re: Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

Hi,

I am sure this topic has been discussed before, but the information I found seems to be a bit outdated.

I have been a long time SLR/DSLR user. But lately the idea of having a more portable system seems more and more appealing to me. To be sure, I will still keep my DSLR system. In fact, I will have to use my telephoto lens (a rather large 300mm f/2.8 lens with extenders). But for general purpose -- landscape, street scene, people, even macro -- a small camera with 1 lens sounds pretty good to me.

Which camera and lens kit would you recommend? I am looking at the Olympus E-PM2 with the 14-42 lens kit, would this be a good choice? Is the lens good?

Again, I mainly want this system to supplement rather than replace my DSLR system, please keep that in mind when you make recommendations.

Thanks in advance,

How much are you willing to spend. The E-PM2 two lens kit is an amazing bargain. Unlike the GX1 you can add a viewfinder if you are so inclined. The IQ is better than the Panasonic. However no PSAM mode dial. But value for money there is no contest. The kit lens is very good and the 40-150mm zoom makes this an extremely portable and versatile system. Even if the two lens kit was priced the same as the GX1 I would buy it for the better IQ and the extra lens. This is assuming you are shooting stills primarily.

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Re: Best compact 4/3 camera with quality zoom

Sorry about the typo I was referring to the GM1.

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