Did I over cook the pic

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Chuck_FL Contributing Member • Posts: 608
Did I over cook the pic

Here is one I did  in LR with a fair amount of PP

Here is same pic that was done PP in LR and then used PSP V6 to the one step photo fix. (Im a newbie to PSP and using under a trial for now. Lot to learn). It does certainly take the PP LR jpg and seems to do a fair amount of tweaking but with default settings of PSP is this to much?

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Chuck_FL wrote:

Here is one I did in LR with a fair amount of PP

Here is same pic that was done PP in LR and then used PSP V6 to the one step photo fix. (Im a newbie to PSP and using under a trial for now. Lot to learn). It does certainly take the PP LR jpg and seems to do a fair amount of tweaking but with default settings of PSP is this to much?

I think you've done very well in both tries. I prefer the 2nd with the suggestion of less sharpening of the water.

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giraffe Senior Member • Posts: 2,461
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Like them both - having trouble deciding which I like best but I think the 2nd one wins for me.

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I like the color better in the second one, although I agree with Sunshine_boy; I would soften the water somewhat.

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Jack Sofield Senior Member • Posts: 2,487
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Not only is the PP very acceptable, the capture is also great.

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I choose the Corel one as well, the Adobe looks too flat. But I would also consider the background as too busy, ot too much in focus ...

Chuck_FL wrote:

Here is one I did in LR with a fair amount of PP

Here is same pic that was done PP in LR and then used PSP V6 to the one step photo fix. (Im a newbie to PSP and using under a trial for now. Lot to learn). It does certainly take the PP LR jpg and seems to do a fair amount of tweaking but with default settings of PSP is this to much?

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OP Chuck_FL Contributing Member • Posts: 608
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Thank you all for your replies and suggestions, etc.. Just getting into PSP.

I really need to play with PSP more, I admit. But to little time per se. Good excuse... Wrong.. But these things do take time. Even though I do software for a living, but coding...

Tried to do a mask last week on a Osprey did not work out good. To change background. Was close but would have spent days I thing to fine tune around spread wings. Gave up on that test, least for now.

Don't want to pay for The "big boy" PS because I do not like the limited Cloud concept. Kind of feels they have you by the BA$$'s.

Just trying to figure out best workflow. Many say do a lot in LR and pass it on. Yes, I did not pass TIFF to it, could have. I did with Osprey background task.

But again, lots to learn...

Thanks again to all, appreciate reply's and comments. Off to bed... Need to get younger to stay up later... LOL. Boy the good old days.

DPer's are real great people. Cheers from Sunny FL.

Chuck

OP Chuck_FL Contributing Member • Posts: 608
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BTW, Mikes how did you easily replace the background? That's what I want to do also. You did a great job. So if you can do it easily what program. Let me guess - PS? boy, if so, guess I'll have to get into the cloud subscription thing.

Sorry for 2'nd response. Eyes tired. Should have been in my first. Me bad (as my kids would tell me... LOL...)

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PhotoShop, not in a million years! I use Corel. PhotoShop doesn't have the power where I need it most. The extraction was done in Vertus, took all of a minute. The other ospreys are just copies blurred more for a pseudo depth of field.

Chuck_FL wrote:

BTW, Mikes how did you easily replace the background? That's what I want to do also. You did a great job. So if you can do it easily what program. Let me guess - PS? boy, if so, guess I'll have to get into the cloud subscription thing.

Sorry for 2'nd response. Eyes tired. Should have been in my first. Me bad (as my kids would tell me... LOL...)

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Babine Veteran Member • Posts: 7,152
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Not over-cooked at all. In fact and IMHO, somewhat 'under-cooked' with regards to contrast, saturation and shadow relief.

Again, a subjective opinion.

Great shot... thanks for the post.

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Chuck_FL wrote:

BTW, Mikes how did you easily replace the background? That's what I want to do also.

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Michael Edward Rudge Veteran Member • Posts: 7,076
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I just fiddled with the Level sliders in cmyk, then back to RGB

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tony brown Veteran Member • Posts: 4,173
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No, there's lots left in your image - more if you shot RAW.

I have lifted the shadows amonst others:- (best at 'original size')

Chuck_FL wrote:

Here is one I did in LR with a fair amount of PP

Here is same pic that was done PP in LR and then used PSP V6 to the one step photo fix. (Im a newbie to PSP and using under a trial for now. Lot to learn). It does certainly take the PP LR jpg and seems to do a fair amount of tweaking but with default settings of PSP is this to much?

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OP Chuck_FL Contributing Member • Posts: 608
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Sunshine_boy wrote:

Chuck_FL wrote:

BTW, Mikes how did you easily replace the background? That's what I want to do also.

Sunshine - What did you use to extract the above? Same as Mike - Fluid Mask 3 or ?

OP Chuck_FL Contributing Member • Posts: 608
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tony brown wrote:

No, there's lots left in your image - more if you shot RAW.

I have lifted the shadows amonst others:- (best at 'original size')

Chuck_FL wrote:

Here is one I did in LR with a fair amount of PP

Here is same pic that was done PP in LR and then used PSP V6 to the one step photo fix. (Im a newbie to PSP and using under a trial for now. Lot to learn). It does certainly take the PP LR jpg and seems to do a fair amount of tweaking but with default settings of PSP is this to much?

Thanks Tony.

Yes, I always shoot RAW (14 bit, no compression). Kind of funny when I first move them from Camera to PC using ViewNX2 most pics look like sh.t...

Then I import them into LR and go from there. Make virtual copies and try my best at PP.

OP Chuck_FL Contributing Member • Posts: 608
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And added a nice catch of the day into the beak...

Thanks to the others that chimed in.

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Re: You can use this mask...

Chuck_FL wrote:

Sunshine_boy wrote:

Chuck_FL wrote:

BTW, Mikes how did you easily replace the background? That's what I want to do also.

Sunshine - What did you use to extract the above? Same as Mike - Fluid Mask 3 or ?

No, just the Quick Selection tool and Refine mask in CS6. Plus a few small touches on the mask itself

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OP Chuck_FL Contributing Member • Posts: 608
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We'll, I am a little afraid that CS6 is last cut of it, since they are moving to the Cloud and still not to cheap. Certainly PSP mask does not work well that I can tell with my limited experience for detailed subjects, such as birds. But if I am right about PSP and then needing Fluid Mask and then ... and ... maybe I should just get the stand alone CS6 and be done?

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Chuck_FL wrote:

We'll, I am a little afraid that CS6 is last cut of it, since they are moving to the Cloud and still not to cheap. Certainly PSP mask does not work well that I can tell with my limited experience for detailed subjects, such as birds. But if I am right about PSP and then needing Fluid Mask and then ... and ... maybe I should just get the stand alone CS6 and be done?

Well, I am perfectly happy with stand alone CS6+ACR but I know some of our friends perform miracles with PSP. Maybe somebody who used both can chime inn for advice.

I also use Topaz Remask which is quite good and probably as good as Fluid Mask, but again I cannot express an opinion as I never used FM. Having said that, I would urge you to read some tutorials on the use of channels to create good quality masks - if that is possible within PSP.

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OP Chuck_FL Contributing Member • Posts: 608
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Thanks Sunshine. I hope others will chime in as well. Don't want to have to purchase oodles of software...

BTW, I did a few other shots of same bird and posted to my Flickr acct. The ones that end in psp.jpg were done with PSP as last step. Just taking the LR PP pic and running it through PSP.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/118596665@N05/

Though the masking of the bird I tried (not this one, an Osprey) did not work out well.

So, besides really enhancing my photos overall, really need a good mask tool. Also inserting a morsel into the beak was pretty cool.

Thanks again.

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