Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

ambercool wrote:

I went street shooting in NY for a total of 17 hours last weekend with the A7 and it's quite loud. I am thinking the V3 will be much faster and quieter to use. Yet... I can't seem to get over the fact the V3 is way above what I would want to pay. I'd even do $700-800 without the bundle. I already have the 18.5 and 32 I can use and I don't need the viewfinder or grip for my street purposes.

My feeling here is this- if it does what you want then be willing to put up with the price. Yes, it is overpriced, but if it's the one that "does it" it may be worth the extra even if you know it is overpriced.

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Re: Or the best of both worlds

Kevin Omura wrote:

You got to try it out and get a good feel for it, now you just sit back and see if Nikon follows their pattern of blowing these things out a year after they were released.

Btw not sure you want to dip your toe into the Leica pond an M digital is just under $7,000 and the Noctilux is just under $11,000 At B&H.

Not interested in Leica.

That Nikon 1 f1.2 is starting to look like a downright bargain.

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

myzel wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

…At the moment I sold I was simply undecided and I felt like since it is a full system switch, it's $2800 USD the way I want it, and it starts looking like Leica or Sony FF money at that point.

Where can I get a new Leica M with 28mm f/2.8, 50mm f/2 and a 90mm f/2.8 for $2800

Leica T type is cheaper...

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Re: Or the best of both worlds

Raist3d wrote:

Kevin Omura wrote:

You got to try it out and get a good feel for it, now you just sit back and see if Nikon follows their pattern of blowing these things out a year after they were released.

Btw not sure you want to dip your toe into the Leica pond an M digital is just under $7,000 and the Noctilux is just under $11,000 At B&H.

Not interested in Leica.

That Nikon 1 f1.2 is starting to look like a downright bargain.

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Um you did in your opening post, but you were talking about a Leica T weren't you. In which case I wonder how much Panasonic DNA is hiding under the hood.

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Re: Or the best of both worlds

Kevin Omura wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Kevin Omura wrote:

You got to try it out and get a good feel for it, now you just sit back and see if Nikon follows their pattern of blowing these things out a year after they were released.

Btw not sure you want to dip your toe into the Leica pond an M digital is just under $7,000 and the Noctilux is just under $11,000 At B&H.

Not interested in Leica.

That Nikon 1 f1.2 is starting to look like a downright bargain.

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Um you did in your opening post, but you were talking about a Leica T weren't you. In which case I wonder how much Panasonic DNA is hiding under the hood.

Supposedly not Panasonic, but another Japanese vendor.  The betting on the Micro 4/3 forum is Sigma.

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Re: Or the best of both worlds

Its a Sony sensor, we know that much.

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)
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Raist3d wrote:

I have come to discover that one of the biggest hold backs is simply I don't see Nikon caring for the 1 system user. It's like the V3 is a good match for my needs not because they thought about it, but by accident. And they don't seem to care. - that Nikon 1 V1 issue of previewing every picture taken and no firmware upgrade for that- what the hell Nikon?

Again, in the context of spending so much cash, it really gives one pause.

The other thing I do miss is in-camera raw development. It allows me to play with a file in -camera and get an idea what can I do and some sort of instant feedback for exposures. And given the camera has wifi it just makes sense to be able to convert files to share. But I think I can deal with this.

I am struggling to understand why you would give up on a camera so soon. The V3 might be accidently ideal but you say it's a good match for your needs, so why abandon it? I have seen your shots and I can tell you haven't gone anywhere near the potential of the camera, not that the camera is so fantastic but more that your images are ordinary at best. And ordinary is a term I am using generously.

As for RAW development why would anyone want to poke around menu's and tiny buttons for RAW processing? You might say this because your knowledge of RAW processing is limited but nobody I have come across would want to work this way. As for instant RAW processing and immediate sharing using wifi, what is the time critical application that you have exactly? Why not just make a custom JPEG setting and use that if time critical sharing is required? Or are you going to tell me you also need high detail large RAW files of night scenes on the street or for random shots of the mundane? C'mon please, think things through before you make these junk posts.

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I dunno - I usually find I Love / Hate a new camera pretty quickly...

....and if you don't warm to it - sell it. 

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

Sonyshine wrote:

I dunno - I usually find I Love / Hate a new camera pretty quickly...

....and if you don't warm to it - sell it.

I agree! Why keeping a piece of equipment if unsure and later try to sell it as used if can get the full refund on it. He can always change his mind again and rebuy it

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Sonyshine wrote:

I dunno - I usually find I Love / Hate a new camera pretty quickly...

....and if you don't warm to it - sell it.

I agree! Why keeping a piece of equipment if unsure and later try to sell it as used if can get the full refund on it. He can always change his mind again and rebuy it

Oh and folks wonder why camera's cost so much in the first place..... WC

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Mr.NoFlash Senior Member • Posts: 2,374
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Thank you for your interresting V3 reports.

Currently the decision is "made" for me because I have spent a lot of money last week for the most expensive Samsung lens, so I cannot afford nikon-1 anyway.

I looked at advantages and disadvantages of the nikon-1 system, i counted about 5 advantages and 5 disadvantages, but one thing is really, as you wrote: Nikon-1 is a bit a system where Nikon wants to throw stones between the users to let them pay maximum for the honor to use mirrorless instead the holy Nikon DSLRs: The many batteries, the strange external flash, the Non-TTL flash, this model has no EVF that model has no Flash that model has nothing of all but is watersealed..

Many of these strange things are turned into positive of you already own a nikon system and this way can use Nikon DSLR glass, but we both are not in that category

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

Well, you've had a great opportunity to 'put it through its paces', and now, to compare it to some others.

I'm glad you did, and that you chose to share.

Thanks Raist3d!

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JL Salvignol wrote:

"Hope that makes sense" : absolutely, your decision is very consistent and the fate of the V3 stays open.

To follow the advice of Joe Marquez otherwise the radical option CX / FX seems to be a reasonable solution for me, say:

* V1/S1 + V3 on one side for dynamic photos,

* Sony Alpha 7/7R on the other side for landscape and quiet portrait with my nice collection of MF Takumars, Pentax and Nikkors, + Hasselblad Zeiss also maybe....

In this perspective DX makes very little sense.

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That's basically the set-up I have/use (Sony A7 + Nikon1 V2)

Admittedly, A7+A6000 or D610+V3 would be the more 'logical' combo... but unfortunately neither of those quite work for me.  So it's a Romeo & Juliette Nikon/Sony life for me  

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i meant non-HSS flash [nt]

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

Raist3d wrote:

I have come to discover that one of the biggest hold backs is simply I don't see Nikon caring for the 1 system user. It's like the V3 is a good match for my needs not because they thought about it, but by accident. And they don't seem to care. - that Nikon 1 V1 issue of previewing every picture taken and no firmware upgrade for that- what the hell Nikon?

Again, in the context of spending so much cash, it really gives one pause.

A long long time ago i wrote this post regarding the 1 system:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/40864517

- you wanted to do fast sports photography or wildlife? Win

But nowadays i think the 1 system is for Nikon Dslr users and that is it. The guy suddenly decide to buy something small that changes lenses. Instead of buying into a new system, you can buy a new system but use your nikon lenses to shoot things like sports, wildlife and etc. BUT, others, not nikon users, prefer other options on the market and i would bet that the upcoming sony rX100III 24-70mm 1.8-2.8 will outsell the 1 system easily.

- you like any of the Nikon 1 bodies (Or J's) and wanted better overall operation/controls/size? In spite of the price? Win. Price an issue? Consider a V2.

- You want a QSF camera? (quiet/small/fast) - Win.

If you ever decide to sell the X-E1 (including lens) to upgrade, let me know... 

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

carlos roncatti wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

I have come to discover that one of the biggest hold backs is simply I don't see Nikon caring for the 1 system user. It's like the V3 is a good match for my needs not because they thought about it, but by accident. And they don't seem to care. - that Nikon 1 V1 issue of previewing every picture taken and no firmware upgrade for that- what the hell Nikon?

Again, in the context of spending so much cash, it really gives one pause.

A long long time ago i wrote this post regarding the 1 system:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/40864517

Hah! How interesting huh. :-\

- you wanted to do fast sports photography or wildlife? Win

But nowadays i think the 1 system is for Nikon Dslr users and that is it. The guy suddenly decide to buy something small that changes lenses. Instead of buying into a new system, you can buy a new system but use your nikon lenses to shoot things like sports, wildlife and etc. BUT, others, not nikon users, prefer other options on the market and i would bet that the upcoming sony rX100III 24-70mm 1.8-2.8 will outsell the 1 system easily.

- you like any of the Nikon 1 bodies (Or J's) and wanted better overall operation/controls/size? In spite of the price? Win. Price an issue? Consider a V2.

- You want a QSF camera? (quiet/small/fast) - Win.

If you ever decide to sell the X-E1 (including lens) to upgrade, let me know...

Haha, goog to know  I am keeping either a K-5 or X-E1 but selling one of them.  Both are gray and would be my "go to" camera for anything else the V3 I feel would not suffice or I don't feel confident yet to shoot w/paid event.  But won't be my main camera.

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VertigonA380 wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

I have come to discover that one of the biggest hold backs is simply I don't see Nikon caring for the 1 system user. It's like the V3 is a good match for my needs not because they thought about it, but by accident. And they don't seem to care. - that Nikon 1 V1 issue of previewing every picture taken and no firmware upgrade for that- what the hell Nikon?

Again, in the context of spending so much cash, it really gives one pause.

The other thing I do miss is in-camera raw development. It allows me to play with a file in -camera and get an idea what can I do and some sort of instant feedback for exposures. And given the camera has wifi it just makes sense to be able to convert files to share. But I think I can deal with this.

I am struggling to understand why you would give up on a camera so soon. The V3 might be accidently ideal but you say it's a good match for your needs, so why abandon it?

Did you bother reading what I said on this? Maybe you missed on good faith what I said but you will note my main issue boiled down not to the camera, and more about the company with the asking price= that as a system- demands a certain cash investment- and that me still being undecided, I took on the offer of someone of allowing me to potentially save myself the trouble of losing big cash.

I do not believe what I wrote can be characterized as "giving up on the V3".

I have seen your shots and I can tell you haven't gone anywhere near the potential of the camera, not that the camera is so fantastic but more that your images are ordinary at best. And ordinary is a term I am using generously.

I sincerely wonder what is behind such an assessment by you and what your intent really is. Given the context it reads like an attempt to discredit me as a photographer, therefore, discredit somehow the opinion I may have about a photography tool- which you seem to have misinterpreted anyway. It is difficult to comprehend because as far as cameras and brands go at this point- these are mere tools, and I never claimed I fulfilled the potential of the camera.

But, photographic assessments like these are to be taken as seriously as I can see any evidence that you possess such skill to make it- so on a cursory look through your posts here I am not seeing anything that suggests I should take your assessment seriously- but if you do have a good set of photos or awesome portfolio somewhere, I would welcome the link so I can apply the appropriate weight to your assessment.

You may want to note that I started different threads- one with snaps and tests and another with photo graphic attempts. Maybe you confused one with the other or cannot tell the difference. That's ok.

I cannot agree with you, for example, that these Nikon 1 shots I took are "ordinary at best"

And for further reference, here's other photography I have done in relatively recent times from a much wider set of photographs:

As for RAW development why would anyone want to poke around menu's and tiny buttons for RAW processing?

I believe I explained this partially- because it gives a certain play ground to try different ideas. It's also a good way to share (see below) photographs on the spot given the camera WiFI features that work so well, as I have reviewed in another thread.

You might say this because your knowledge of RAW processing is limited but nobody I have come across would want to work this way.

How are you to make such an assessment? How can you tell? Are you even reading the workflow i mentioned of sharing a photograph editing from the camera using WiFi to your phone? Do you understand the type of real world business case this workflow has? Do you have any experience selling photographs that could benefit from this work flow as part of the sale or lack of?

As for instant RAW processing and immediate sharing using wifi, what is the time critical application that you have exactly? Why not just make a custom JPEG setting and use that if time critical sharing is required?

Do you understand the difference between the two workflows? Which one you think is more flexible and lends itself to experimentation? Would you complain if Nikon allowed us to create custom profile curves in -camera without the need for a computer and have to connect/upload/export?

Better yet- do I really have to explain anything to you? You are even missing some rather basic statements I made in my OP and seem to have nor skill nor attitude in properly reading them.

Or are you going to tell me you also need high detail large RAW files of night scenes on the street or for random shots of the mundane? C'mon please, think things through before you make these junk posts.

It seems to me you don't know what you are talking about, bear ill faith because you perceived I shot your favorite toy (which I did not) and have other issues given that last paragraph.

Nobody is forcing you to read anything, so moving forward, please skip my junk posts accordingly. Thanks.

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Re: Or the best of both worlds

Kevin Omura wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Kevin Omura wrote:

You got to try it out and get a good feel for it, now you just sit back and see if Nikon follows their pattern of blowing these things out a year after they were released.

Btw not sure you want to dip your toe into the Leica pond an M digital is just under $7,000 and the Noctilux is just under $11,000 At B&H.

Not interested in Leica.

That Nikon 1 f1.2 is starting to look like a downright bargain.

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Um you did in your opening post, but you were talking about a Leica T weren't you.

No. You are confusing interest in Leica as a purchase and a monetary comparison.

That said, my only interest in the Leica Type -T is from a point of view of usability because of the bold interface Leica did (but that's an entirely unrelated point).  Not as a possible purchase.

In which case I wonder how much Panasonic DNA is hiding under the hood.

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

Sonyshine wrote:

I dunno - I usually find I Love / Hate a new camera pretty quickly...

....and if you don't warm to it - sell it.

Yup. Some people are in the business of pretending they know better than you for sure. Well, their problem

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Re: Sold my V3 (but there's more to it)

WCguy wrote:

igzy wrote:

Sonyshine wrote:

I dunno - I usually find I Love / Hate a new camera pretty quickly...

....and if you don't warm to it - sell it.

I agree! Why keeping a piece of equipment if unsure and later try to sell it as used if can get the full refund on it. He can always change his mind again and rebuy it

Oh and folks wonder why camera's cost so much in the first place..... WC

Why exactly the camera would cost so much because I would sell it used to someone who wants it? (and then me buy another?) Can you please explain that one to me.

And if we go with refund scenarios, it seems that this consequence only affects Nikon 1 V3? How come?

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