Just joined the M4/3 cult....

Lucifigus wrote:

Barry Stewart wrote:

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/olyepl1/53-epl5-scp.html

Thanks for that. My my, if I knew it was that convoluted, I may have passed on the purchase. Guy's pages appear to be good resources on the menus. This is what I was looking for in third party material. There few things more frustrating than trying to learn a complex tool by reading the provided directions.

Well, I guess it's time for new neural pathways - this is the stuff that keeps your brain young. Perhaps I will have to buy a new camera more often just to keep my brain young!

Gary

Yes, it was new neural pathways for me too. As a result of a truly bizarre manual. But with an investment of maybe 4 hours spread over several days, I have the camera set up. Guy Parson's web site was a crucial element in mastering the menu. As my travails proceeded I began to feel that I was solving an intricate puzzle, a challenge to my ability to draw inferences from ambiguous data, so I began to feel triumph as I figured each thing out.

At this point I have it set up the way I want it,  with Fn1 for manual focus and Fn2 for focus peaking (I am using the camera for digitization of slides with the great Oly 60mm macro lens, and I have just begun; the results are already outstanding.)

I don't know if this will help you at all, but perhaps it will:

I have the camera set to Super Fine Large, Noise Reduction set at  Low,  and the camera set at Single Auto Focus, and Auto White Balance.

I have made the secret Super Control Panel accessible (Hit the button to the right  of the flash setting. Or I can hit  Info,  based on how I have set up the accessibility of the Super Control Panel.) This is a bit hard for me to explain clearly; I see why the idiots who wrote the manual were unable to explain it clearly.

I leave the mode dial on the top left of the camera set to A (Aperture priority), and leave the two top dials on the right set at the default: control of aperture and control of image compensation.

I have figured out how to easily adjust the ISO and a lot of other settings from the default LCD setting: hit OK and hold it for a second or two, to get the right margin menu, then arrow up and down, and hit OK after every step).

The only thing left for me to conquer is to adjust White Balance. The camera is insisting on Auto White Balance and  I can't figure out how to move it from that in cases where I need to, but I will figure it out.

The good news is that the camera is lovely to use when set up, it is truly excellent, small, compact, and the 20 Pan and the 45 Oly are wonderful lenses. In actual use this is the best camera I have owned since the Pen FT and the Oly OM1.  A delight to use, fast, unobtrusive, reliable, and with fine image quality, just what I want. (Some larger cameras will have slightly better image quality but their weight and bulk and obtrusiveness rules them out for my purposes of low key unobtrusive family and travel photos.)

So, I think you haven't made a mistake, you will likely really enjoy this camera. It really is worth the trouble to set it up.

Krugman

krugman wrote:

I have figured out how to easily adjust the ISO and a lot of other settings from the default LCD setting: hit OK and hold it for a second or two, to get the right margin menu, then arrow up and down, and hit OK after every step).

This seems overly complicated.  Once the Super Control Panel is enabled for the mode you are using (P, A, etc.), just about all the settings can be adjusted by hitting OK to pop up the SCP, navigating to the setting you want to change (tap the screen,rotate the rear dial, use the directional buttons -- your choicej), and then adjusting the setting with the front dial.  That's what the SCP is for.  Once you change the setting it is ready when you depress the shutter button to shoot, without the need to hit OK.  If you are changing multiple settings you just move to the next setting without the need to hit OK.

The only thing left for me to conquer is to adjust White Balance. The camera is insisting on Auto White Balance and I can't figure out how to move it from that in cases where I need to, but I will figure it out.

This is a setting you can change on your SCP.  It is the square right next to ISO.  If you have one of your buttons set to Multifunction (I use fn2), you press the button and either the front or rear dial controls WB and the other dial controls ISO.

This is all in the manual.

harvo wrote:

Even easier: Put the lever in 2 position. Rotate the front dial to change WB. Rotate the rear dial to change ISO. Half press the shutter after either to get back to shooting mode.

Harvo

Yes sorry, my description was for the lever-less E-M10. You press a function button instead of changing the lever, but then the rest is the same.  Either way, it's pretty simple.

mimritty wrote:

krugman wrote:

I have figured out how to easily adjust the ISO and a lot of other settings from the default LCD setting: hit OK and hold it for a second or two, to get the right margin menu, then arrow up and down, and hit OK after every step).

This seems overly complicated. Once the Super Control Panel is enabled for the mode you are using (P, A, etc.), just about all the settings can be adjusted by hitting OK to pop up the SCP, navigating to the setting you want to change (tap the screen,rotate the rear dial, use the directional buttons -- your choicej), and then adjusting the setting with the front dial. That's what the SCP is for. Once you change the setting it is ready when you depress the shutter button to shoot, without the need to hit OK. If you are changing multiple settings you just move to the next setting without the need to hit OK.

The only thing left for me to conquer is to adjust White Balance. The camera is insisting on Auto White Balance and I can't figure out how to move it from that in cases where I need to, but I will figure it out.

This is a setting you can change on your SCP. It is the square right next to ISO. If you have one of your buttons set to Multifunction (I use fn2), you press the button and either the front or rear dial controls WB and the other dial controls ISO.

This is all in the manual.

Thank  you for taking the time to explain this. I appreciate it.  Your explanation is clear.

My problem is that I have the F1 button set to MF and the F2 button set to  focus peaking. I need these for digitizing slides. I find this convenient, it works well and  I have found at least one source on the internet that recommends doing it this way.

(I find that using focus peaking as the Focus Assist for manual focusing does not work for me as an alternative, it is easier to use focus peaking as a separate control via Fn2.)

So I need to find an alternative way to modify WB when needed. Right now I seem stuck in Auto WB forever.

Krugman

en, at all. Take the time to set it up and make it yours, and I think you'll be pleased.

Well, I guess it's time for new neural pathways - this is the stuff that keeps your brain young. Perhaps I will have to buy a new camera more often just to keep my brain young!

Gary

The only thing left for me to conquer is to adjust White Balance. The camera is insisting on Auto White Balance and I can't figure out how to move it from that in cases where I need to, but I will figure it out.

You could set this to the down arrow button. I use the down arrow button for quick access to my drive mode settings, but WB is another option that's available.

See page 90 of the English E-M10 manual for more info on how to customize these buttons.

Both White Balance and ISO can be controlled in the super control panel, as well. I generally keep the SCP cursor on whatever setting I think I'll need access to most often, given the conditions and subject I'm shooting (and which setting isn't already programmed to another button), and all I have to do is hit OK, then start spinning the front wheel to adjust that setting.

Thank you for your help.

My problem is this: when I put the cursor on AWB icon on the SCP, I can't modify it no matter what I try. This is unlike any other icon on the SCP, I can always modify their settings once I have the yellow cursor on that icon on the SCP.

Your other suggestion was to use the procedure on p.90 of the manual. I have used this to set Fn1 to MF, and Fn2 to focus peaking. That leaves the dials to set. But they don't accept settings, they are still on the default of Image Compensation for the front dial, and aperture for the rear dial (which I find very convenient), but I still don't know how to modify AWB with either of your suggestions.

I did try to set the down button to AWB but it won't accept it, ir  just gives me a choice of "value" without telling me what it is a value of. It shows an up down value toggle and a side to side value toggle.

As in the John Prine song, "Dear Abby, Dear Abby," I am still "perplexed."  This truly is a menu system from hell.

But thanks for taking the time to try to render aid.

Krugman

texinwien wrote:

krugman wrote:

Lucifigus wrote:

Barry Stewart wrote:

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/olyepl1/53-epl5-scp.html

Thanks for that. My my, if I knew it was that convoluted, I may have passed on the purchase. Guy's pages appear to be good resources on the menus. This is what I was looking for in third party material. There few things more frustrating than trying to learn a complex tool by reading the provided directions.

To Lucifugus: It's highly configurable, and once you have it set up the way you like it, you really shouldn't have to confront the set-up complexity often, at all. Take the time to set it up and make it yours, and I think you'll be pleased.

Well, I guess it's time for new neural pathways - this is the stuff that keeps your brain young. Perhaps I will have to buy a new camera more often just to keep my brain young!

Gary

I have figured out how to easily adjust the ISO and a lot of other settings from the default LCD setting: hit OK and hold it for a second or two, to get the right margin menu, then arrow up and down, and hit OK after every step).

That seems overly complicated. I set ISO to my right arrow button (to the right of OK - caveat, E-M5). Press it once and the ISO settings come up. I can then change ISO by spinning the front wheel or using the right and left arrow buttons.

The only thing left for me to conquer is to adjust White Balance. The camera is insisting on Auto White Balance and I can't figure out how to move it from that in cases where I need to, but I will figure it out.

You could set this to the down arrow button. I use the down arrow button for quick access to my drive mode settings, but WB is another option that's available.

See page 90 of the English E-M10 manual for more info on how to customize these buttons.

Both White Balance and ISO can be controlled in the super control panel, as well. I generally keep the SCP cursor on whatever setting I think I'll need access to most often, given the conditions and subject I'm shooting (and which setting isn't already programmed to another button), and all I have to do is hit OK, then start spinning the front wheel to adjust that setting.

Thanks again for your help

But I have finally solved it, that is a way to  modify AWB since the methods you suggest don"t work for me at this point:

Go to SCP. Press OK to get to AWB icon. Press hard enough on OK buttont to bring  up a bar across the bottom of the screen with the WB choices on it. Arrow through them with the left/right arrows on the four-way control ring the back of the camera. These let you get to the WB setting you want.  Hit Ok to confirm it.

Krugman