>>> Street Photography eXchange #98 <<<

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solveproblems Contributing Member • Posts: 877
Re: i'm sure it wasn't meant that way

Oh, thank you!

But don't worry, being a bit of troll myself, I will not suffer too much anyway.

xtoph wrote:

solve, having followed sal's comments here for quite a while, i feel pretty confident in saying that i don't see any indication that she meant the comment to be a criticism or to be offensive in any way. certainly not to musicians, or to you. {and she went out of her way to say that she was presenting a subjective perspective, not an authoritative pronouncement of universal relevance.)

on the contrary, i think that the comment is focussed on communicating to you what she thinks you've done unusually well--which is to go beyond what could have been a much more cliche'd shot depicting merely what the performers presented to a general audience, and contribute something of some more particular and photographically creative interest, in this case by including the anomalous figure of the woman.

i am not sure if that is also how you understood the comment, and you felt that it was unintentionally, potentially offensive, or whether you were unsure of sal's intent--but i hope that you'll extend her the good faith to assume that she was speaking in a friendly and well-intentioned manner, and trying to convey an honest reaction.

this can be one of the most difficult aspects of communicating on the internet--with so many different backgrounds and languages people are coming from, with a dearth of communication cues (expression, tone, etc), and with the unfortunate reality that there are trolls around who deliberately try to muck things up, it can sometimes be hard to sort out what people are really trying to say. but for the most part, the people who take the time to comment in this thread are i think genuinely engaged and honest--and it helps communication generally when we start from that presumption.

anyway, interesting group, with the color array and the sign in the bg, and indeed, with the woman sitting amidst them.

solveproblems wrote:

Spent some time thinking whether your comment is offensive or not

Sal18 wrote:

Thank heavens for the girl sitting there. Without her, the sax quartet would have had musical interest only. Maybe. If they are really good. But the gal grounds this pic and makes it hold our interest and curiosity. For me.

Sal

xtoph OP Veteran Member • Posts: 9,714
i have a suggestion

frank--and anyone for that matter--when you want to say something to one photographer about the pictures they show, maybe it will tend to be more successful if you speak directly to that photographer, rather than talking about how their photos stack up, or not, against other photographers, and especially to avoid broad characterizations about the failings (in your estimation) of those other photographers.

frank, it was perfectly reasonable for gerald to find your remarks personally insulting, and given your past interactions on this forum, baffling as to why you would expect otherwise. instead of protesting that he has somehow misconstrued you, why not resolve to try to avoid doing this (yet) again, and simply move on. sal's picture should be the main subject here, not your asides to other forum members.

please, let's drop the extraneous stuff.

xtoph OP Veteran Member • Posts: 9,714
Re: Abstract

if you are obscuring the writing because you don't want to intrude on the privacy of the writers, i guess there's an argument for that. but if it is a purely aesthetic choice, i prefer the unfiltered version, myself. i may not be a good gauge, however, since i don't read hebrew and therefor it doesn't distract me the way a language i know would.

still, i think that most of the text is small enough to function mainly as texture, rather than main subject.

xtoph OP Veteran Member • Posts: 9,714
Re: Downhill

this looks a bit like something from a 70's sci-fi show. odd, but interesting.

Sal18 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,152
Re: i'm sure it wasn't meant that way

Thank you, Chris. You said it exactly. Thank you for the rescue. I confess I was bewildered and wondering what on earth I'd said to cause offense. More especially because Solve knows I am an admirer of his work and have frequently said so.

So often there is one ingredient that lifts an otherwise ordinary image into a whole new realm, and without that there isn't a lot of interest. In this case, it is the woman. (I mean, think of Erwitt without the dogs.)

In any event, I am far too much of a beginner to take anyone down here or elsewhere, (Aside from which, it's not my nature) and am normally careful to mention reminders that I know my opinions are my subjective ones only. If I have been insufficiently careful...I apologize. And I'll refrain from commenting on Solve's pics lest I be a 'fool rushing in where angels fear to tread'.

Sal

Still Young Senior Member • Posts: 1,584
Re: Abstract

xtoph wrote:

if you are obscuring the writing because you don't want to intrude on the privacy of the writers, i guess there's an argument for that. but if it is a purely aesthetic choice, i prefer the unfiltered version, myself. i may not be a good gauge, however, since i don't read hebrew and therefor it doesn't distract me the way a language i know would.

still, i think that most of the text is small enough to function mainly as texture, rather than main subject.

Hi Xtoph

My intention was to imitate a kind of abstract painting. This style is based on pure shapes and colors. So, writings can be distracting. I do leave the middle writing as a graphic object [besides its meaning in Hebrew].

Thanks

Still

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Expressions

the second before

think!

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solveproblems Contributing Member • Posts: 877
Re: i'm sure it wasn't meant that way

And I'll refrain from commenting on Solve's pics lest I be a 'fool rushing in where angels fear to tread'.

No, please, please

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Re: i have a suggestion

xtoph wrote:

frank--and anyone for that matter--when you want to say something to one photographer about the pictures they show, maybe it will tend to be more successful if you speak directly to that photographer, rather than talking about how their photos stack up, or not, against other photographers, and especially to avoid broad characterizations about the failings (in your estimation) of those other photographers.

frank, it was perfectly reasonable for gerald to find your remarks personally insulting, and given your past interactions on this forum, baffling as to why you would expect otherwise. instead of protesting that he has somehow misconstrued you, why not resolve to try to avoid doing this (yet) again, and simply move on. sal's picture should be the main subject here, not your asides to other forum members.

please, let's drop the extraneous stuff.

You are completely wrong, Chris. I am disappointed.

Nothing I said was in the least bit insulting.  You have both completely misread what I said and Gerald has attributed words to me that no one has ever said on this forum.

I am tired of apologizing for other people's projections that are not anchored in reality.

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Ken Christie Senior Member • Posts: 1,278
Re: Time Travelers

fad wrote:

Ken Christie wrote:

I wonder if it might benefit from a crop to make the figures larger in the frame, making the faces, which are full of character, and a little mystery, more prominent?

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KenC

Well, I did experiment with making them larger in the frame. I was surprised at how that weakened the photo.

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That's why I posed it as a question. I wasn't convinced myself, although I hadn't tried  it other than scrolling on my tablet.

Additionally, Zubu's later reference to Herzog, of whom I had no previous knowledge, instigsted a search, and that in turn established your shot perfectly. Overall a very worthwhile experience.

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Emotion in a street photo is not just the emotions displayed by the subject, by also, and more importantly, the dynamic flow of emotion in the photographer, and the viewer.

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Alternative title with ironic overtones: "Heading home" -
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In bloom

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jacwashere Senior Member • Posts: 1,191
Re: black and white

Clever title, think it has a double meaning? at least the first thing in my mind was the guys' black clothing and the girls' white car

anyway perfect timing caughting those girls great expressions. a joy to take the time to look at this image.

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Thank you & also for the crop suggestion -nt

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Followed by languor

Botticelli - Venus and Mars - National Gallery, London

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xtoph OP Veteran Member • Posts: 9,714
Re: >>> Street Photography eXchange #98 <<<

Daniel74 wrote:

interesting echo of sal's shot, above. i like the hand and the alternation of profile/head on alignments. not really loving the green (or red) bag.

i might have gone for a simpler composition--the pole isn't doing much for me. the subdued colors are pretty.

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