New RX100 to have 24-70mm f1.8-2.8 lens!

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Samaistuin
Samaistuin Contributing Member • Posts: 598
Re: New RX100 to have 24-70mm f1.8-2.8 lens!

Ron AKA wrote:

The distortion problem is at the wide end, not the long end. The RX100 has essentially zero distortion at 100 mm. At 28 mm however it is really bad. It of course was part of the lens design and the JPEG engine takes it out, and so does the better RAW developers. Time will tell which is worse, but this is what a 28 mm shot looks like from the RX100 without correction. And, yes, the shot is of normal graph paper with straight lines.

Yes, this is what we are saying: that Sony may have cut the long end to improve the wide end.

If the lens no longer has to reach 100mm, the engineers have more leeway to optically correct the 24mm part of the zoom.

zxaar Veteran Member • Posts: 3,942
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jintoku wrote:

This deserves its own thread: SAR link

I for one am exited about this as I value the 24-28 range slightly higher than the 70-100 range.

If this indeed going to have 24 mm lens this is the camera i would want. I did not buy rx00 just for the reason that it did not open wide enough

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jintoku OP Contributing Member • Posts: 621
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Sony delayed the announcement to May 15. Bastards!

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Dale Cotton Senior Member • Posts: 1,937
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Ron: beautiful shot! Reminds me of the screen on the TV set I grew up with in the 1950s.

jintoku OP Contributing Member • Posts: 621
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Sony delayed the announcement to May 15. Bastards!

They probably got word that MkII inventory still needs cleaning out.

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Ron AKA Veteran Member • Posts: 4,875
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Dale Cotton wrote:

Ron: beautiful shot! Reminds me of the screen on the TV set I grew up with in the 1950s.

Yes, and believe it or not, that piece of paper was lying on a flat table, and not glued to a wooden barrel!

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Sean Nelson
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jintoku wrote:

Sony delayed the announcement to May 15. Bastards!

I don't think that Sony ever made any commitment to announcing anything on May 1.   It's the SAR and other rumor sites that are getting everyone fired up...

If and when the announcement finally does happen, no doubt people will blame Sony for anything that doesn't live up to the rumor sites' expectations.

Dandrewk Senior Member • Posts: 1,094
Too expensive?

SAR estimates a price of $800-$850 USA.  The same estimates in Euros as well, which is a tad confusing as €800 equates to roughly $1100.

In any case, that's REAL high for a compact camera, even at the highest end.  Since I use my m2 mostly as a stealth street camera, I don't really need the wider angle, and I always shoot at the widest FL anyway, so maximum aperture will be the same.  EVF is a non-issue.

Even though I am moronically inclined to have the latest/best, I think I will be passing.

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Samaistuin
Samaistuin Contributing Member • Posts: 598
Re: Too expensive?

Dandrewk wrote:

SAR estimates a price of $800-$850 USA. The same estimates in Euros as well, which is a tad confusing as €800 equates to roughly $1100.

It's always like that. Tax difference between USA and countries in other continents.

technic Veteran Member • Posts: 8,932
Re: Too expensive?

Samaistuin wrote:

Dandrewk wrote:

SAR estimates a price of $800-$850 USA. The same estimates in Euros as well, which is a tad confusing as €800 equates to roughly $1100.

It's always like that. Tax difference between USA and countries in other continents.

about 20% VAT difference, plus usually a 20% penalty for EU customers to subsidize the US market ...

Sony is usually one of the few exceptions though, their EU prices are often closer to the US price (for Nikon and Canon a EU customer often pays 20-30% extra, taking exchange rate and taxes into account).

jintoku OP Contributing Member • Posts: 621
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jintoku wrote:

Sony delayed the announcement to May 15. Bastards!

I don't think that Sony ever made any commitment to announcing anything on May 1.   It's the SAR and other rumor sites that are getting everyone fired up...

If and when the announcement finally does happen, no doubt people will blame Sony for anything that doesn't live up to the rumor sites' expectations.

You need to lighten up, Sean!

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Gunnlaugur Gudmundsson
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Tapper123 wrote:

jintoku wrote:

This deserves its own thread: SAR link

I for one am exited about this as I value the 24-28 range slightly higher than the 70-100 range.

Agreed. This could be amazing.

And I just sold my RX100M2 a few days ago, so I'm all set to upgrade.

I will buy this camera, if the specs hold. Had the original RX100 ... fine camera but none tilting screen and aperture quickly up to f/4.9.... so, sold it.... exciting news!

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jintoku OP Contributing Member • Posts: 621
Re: Too expensive?

Dandrewk wrote:

In any case, that's REAL high for a compact camera, even at the highest end. Since I use my m2 mostly as a stealth street camera, I don't really need the wider angle, and I always shoot at the widest FL anyway, so maximum aperture will be the same. EVF is a non-issue.

Even though I am moronically inclined to have the latest/best, I think I will be passing.

The statements that you're always using the m2 at the widest angle but never need a wider angle seem to have some tension between them...or you should change your user name to 28mm man

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Sean Nelson
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jintoku wrote:

jintoku wrote:

Sony delayed the announcement to May 15. Bastards!

I don't think that Sony ever made any commitment to announcing anything on May 1. It's the SAR and other rumor sites that are getting everyone fired up...

If and when the announcement finally does happen, no doubt people will blame Sony for anything that doesn't live up to the rumor sites' expectations.

You need to lighten up, Sean!

Sorry, but it really annoys me when people pass rumors off as fact as has been happening with some posters talking about this announcement (if that's what it does turn out to be).   And then when they start blaming Sony for not living up to the rumors....   ...well that's just plain wrong.

Samaistuin
Samaistuin Contributing Member • Posts: 598
Re: Too expensive?

technic wrote:

Samaistuin wrote:

Dandrewk wrote:

SAR estimates a price of $800-$850 USA. The same estimates in Euros as well, which is a tad confusing as €800 equates to roughly $1100.

It's always like that. Tax difference between USA and countries in other continents.

about 20% VAT difference, plus usually a 20% penalty for EU customers to subsidize the US market ...

Sony is usually one of the few exceptions though, their EU prices are often closer to the US price (for Nikon and Canon a EU customer often pays 20-30% extra, taking exchange rate and taxes into account).

Interesting, I never paid attention to those surplus you're mentioning. I guess I should be breaking the costs down more often... though it's not like I often buy cameras.

Tonkotsu Ramen
Tonkotsu Ramen Senior Member • Posts: 1,937
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Sean Nelson wrote:

jintoku wrote:

jintoku wrote:

Sony delayed the announcement to May 15. Bastards!

I don't think that Sony ever made any commitment to announcing anything on May 1. It's the SAR and other rumor sites that are getting everyone fired up...

If and when the announcement finally does happen, no doubt people will blame Sony for anything that doesn't live up to the rumor sites' expectations.

You need to lighten up, Sean!

Sorry, but it really annoys me when people pass rumors off as fact as has been happening with some posters talking about this announcement (if that's what it does turn out to be). And then when they start blaming Sony for not living up to the rumors.... ...well that's just plain wrong.

jintoku is right though Sean. A large number of your recent posts are just complaining about rumors.

You should back away from the keyboard until this blows over imo. Complaining about the rumors is just as bad as participating in them. There's no value added in your negative posts. At least allow people to get excited, even if it is detrimental to them (and others) if the rumors end up being untrue.

Samaistuin
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Tonkotsu Ramen wrote:

Sorry, but it really annoys me when people pass rumors off as fact as has been happening with some posters talking about this announcement (if that's what it does turn out to be). And then when they start blaming Sony for not living up to the rumors.... ...well that's just plain wrong.

jintoku is right though Sean. A large number of your recent posts are just complaining about rumors.

You should back away from the keyboard until this blows over imo. Complaining about the rumors is just as bad as participating in them. There's no value added in your negative posts. At least allow people to get excited, even if it is detrimental to them (and others) if the rumors end up being untrue.

There's that other poster who makes duplicate threads in different forums about such rumoured camera versus such commercialised camera on the grounds that "we know all their features"; these kinds of threads are idiotic and it is right to call them out.

Discussing probabilities, whilst keeping in mind that they are mere probabilities and not hard facts, like we do here, is another thing. Nothing wrong with this, as we are on a gear-oriented site and we do not go around derailing other threads and forums with our conversations.

Dandrewk Senior Member • Posts: 1,094
Re: Too expensive?

jintoku wrote:

Dandrewk wrote:

In any case, that's REAL high for a compact camera, even at the highest end. Since I use my m2 mostly as a stealth street camera, I don't really need the wider angle, and I always shoot at the widest FL anyway, so maximum aperture will be the same. EVF is a non-issue.

Even though I am moronically inclined to have the latest/best, I think I will be passing.

The statements that you're always using the m2 at the widest angle but never need a wider angle seem to have some tension between them...or you should change your user name to 28mm man

I get it, but just to be clear(er):  The (rumored!) difference in the lens is that it will have a wider zoom setting and faster at the telephoto extreme.  For my major m2 usage (stealthy street photography) I alway shoot at the shortest focal length.  For the m2, 28mm is perfect.  24mm is a bit too wide.

Since I always shoot at the shortest FL, my maximum aperture for the m2 or m3 remains the same (assuming the m3 @28mm remains F1.8).

But not everyone is like me.    My main point is $800 is a huge amount for a compact camera.  That's the same msrp for the A6000 w/kit lens.  Different camera, I know, but the comparison will exist.

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doctorxring Senior Member • Posts: 1,332
Re: Too expensive?

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Sony only charges that because they can get it.  No other reason.

If the RX100 I II or III were like cameras that go for less, then that is what Sony would charge because they would have to.

What people think is "expensive" for an item varies by the person.

Myself, I'm always happy about over achievers in the market place and not just a company that makes only "me too" items.

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Dennis Forum Pro • Posts: 16,444
Re: Too expensive?

Dandrewk wrote:

SAR estimates a price of $800-$850 USA.

In any case, that's REAL high for a compact camera, even at the highest end.

If you look at it as nothing more than an RX100M2 with a built in EVF, it's $800-850 versus $700 and I'd pay $150 for a built in EVF.  You can argue that the M2 is expensive and the M1 before it, but apparently, there's a good market for them.

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