Sony a6000 Build Quality

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

pixelpushing wrote:

captura wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

marc petzold wrote:

andye53 wrote:

Oh boy I said the same thing in another thread and my head almost got chewed off LOL.

It definitely has a lower build quality compared to all other NEX, except the 3N. It 's roughly the same build as the 3N, same plain plastic finish.

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But the A6000 is made out of mag-alloy, not plastic.

It is not, Sony removed that part of the marketing. There may have been some preproduction models that were but it isn't now. The shell is poly/plastic/composite and supported at least in part by a metal infrastructure/frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53554186

Just curious where the actual facts are on this, rather than Sony pulling the reference in their video.

The facts? On which part?

Its not difficult to see the unpainted underside of the front/back plates, port/battery cover, and grip. The top plate could be I guess but based on unscientific acousitics/ thermal properties/feel compared to the obviously metal parts (flash/LCD hinge, dials, mount surround, screws, metal substructure) that is pretty unlikely.

As for the metal substructure you can open the battery compartment and see the grip is fully supported and a plate continues across the back.

All that said I have no problem with the build quality at all.

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

Metallic objects, like the NEX-5 & NEX-7 feel cool to the touch. Plastic objects ( A5000, A6000, NEX-3) feel warmer less solid and subjectively less pleasant. I am amazed that you don't know that. Even a 10 year old can differentiate between the two, by touch and feel.

1). Painted aluminum can rapidly assume ambient temperature. Some alloys are more or less resistant to heat exchange, it depends on composition.

2). Plastics are not created equal. Polymers and various other composite materials can have radically different weight, durability and appearance. Indeed, 'less pleasant' would be an entirely subjective interpretation, here.

3). I am being entirely civil, if not bobbing my head in fervent agreement. There was absolutely zero provocation for your 10 year old comment (the irony of which is not subtle).

NOT meaning to be rude. Dealing with frustration because if you would only choose to personally examine an A6000 you would immediately realize that this thing has a plastic body. Why do I even bother?

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

jtyoung wrote:

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pixelpushing wrote:

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

Metallic objects, like the NEX-5 & NEX-7 feel cool to the touch. Plastic objects ( A5000, A6000, NEX-3) feel warmer less solid and subjectively less pleasant. I am amazed that you don't know that. Even a 10 year old can differentiate between the two, by touch and feel.

That's odd actually. I'm holding my NEX-7 and my A6000 side by side and I'm surprised at how difficult it is to tell the difference in build between the two. The USB door on the A6000 feels more solid and securely in place compared to the 7. Aside from the tri-navi controls, they feel pretty much identical in hand.

Others besides myself have also commented about the N7's cool, metallic construction vs the A6000's cheaper-feeling plastic. Take your cameras out on a cold day for an hour then put them to your face. One will feel cold and the other not.

The other thing for me personally is my major preference for the much smaller shape and handling of my NEX-5R. It's so easy...to shoot on-handed, even. It has a touch-screen. And I can removre the EVF to make the camera so small it will fit in my pocket. (with a small lens attached.) That is MY personal preference to which I am entitled.

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

Euell wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

Euell wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

marc petzold wrote:

andye53 wrote:

Oh boy I said the same thing in another thread and my head almost got chewed off LOL.

It definitely has a lower build quality compared to all other NEX, except the 3N. It 's roughly the same build as the 3N, same plain plastic finish.

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But the A6000 is made out of mag-alloy, not plastic.

It is not, Sony removed that part of the marketing. There may have been some preproduction models that were but it isn't now. The shell is poly/plastic/composite and supported at least in part by a metal infrastructure/frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53554186

Just curious where the actual facts are on this, rather than Sony pulling the reference in their video.

The facts? On which part?

Its not difficult to see the unpainted underside of the front/back plates, port/battery cover, and grip. The top plate could be I guess but based on unscientific acousitics/ thermal properties/feel compared to the obviously metal parts (flash/LCD hinge, dials, mount surround, screws, metal substructure) that is pretty unlikely.

As for the metal substructure you can open the battery compartment and see the grip is fully supported and a plate continues across the back.

All that said I have no problem with the build quality at all.

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

and my point was to stop the spread of misinformation. I'm not bashing the build quality as I'd rate it quite high. It was just a dumb move by Sony marketing to say the shell was mag alloy and then have it not be a month later

Agreed!

I think Sony said the frame was mag allowy. Wrong?

AFAIK only time Sony made a claim either way was in the promo video from the linked post from earlier in the quote tree. In it the "host" says, "The actual camera looks different (comparing to the nex-6) as far as the make. This isn't plastic its...?"(referencing the body/shell she is tapping on). The Sony representative replies, "It's magnesium alloy"

It's all moot now the two sections referencing the mag alloy were later removed.

The top plate and bottom plate are definitely metal and the front plate may be. The frame is represented to be mag alloy.

You still insist on carrying on this disinformation...for what purpose? You keep supporting a premise that this is a mostly metallic body when anyone with any savvy would either look at the reviews and/or vist a store to examine the A6000. It is OBVIOUSLY and BLATANTLY plastic!

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality
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captura wrote:

Euell wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

Euell wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

marc petzold wrote:

andye53 wrote:

Oh boy I said the same thing in another thread and my head almost got chewed off LOL.

It definitely has a lower build quality compared to all other NEX, except the 3N. It 's roughly the same build as the 3N, same plain plastic finish.

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But the A6000 is made out of mag-alloy, not plastic.

It is not, Sony removed that part of the marketing. There may have been some preproduction models that were but it isn't now. The shell is poly/plastic/composite and supported at least in part by a metal infrastructure/frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53554186

Just curious where the actual facts are on this, rather than Sony pulling the reference in their video.

The facts? On which part?

Its not difficult to see the unpainted underside of the front/back plates, port/battery cover, and grip. The top plate could be I guess but based on unscientific acousitics/ thermal properties/feel compared to the obviously metal parts (flash/LCD hinge, dials, mount surround, screws, metal substructure) that is pretty unlikely.

As for the metal substructure you can open the battery compartment and see the grip is fully supported and a plate continues across the back.

All that said I have no problem with the build quality at all.

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

and my point was to stop the spread of misinformation. I'm not bashing the build quality as I'd rate it quite high. It was just a dumb move by Sony marketing to say the shell was mag alloy and then have it not be a month later

Agreed!

I think Sony said the frame was mag allowy. Wrong?

AFAIK only time Sony made a claim either way was in the promo video from the linked post from earlier in the quote tree. In it the "host" says, "The actual camera looks different (comparing to the nex-6) as far as the make. This isn't plastic its...?"(referencing the body/shell she is tapping on). The Sony representative replies, "It's magnesium alloy"

It's all moot now the two sections referencing the mag alloy were later removed.

The top plate and bottom plate are definitely metal and the front plate may be. The frame is represented to be mag alloy.

You still insist on carrying on this disinformation...for what purpose? You keep supporting a premise that this is a mostly metallic body when anyone with any savvy would either look at the reviews and/or vist a store to examine the A6000. It is OBVIOUSLY and BLATANTLY plastic!

I would hold off on that judgment, Steve.  I had thought the same initially...  but closer inspection has muddled the issue.

And yes, I have it now.

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

captura wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

captura wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

marc petzold wrote:

andye53 wrote:

Oh boy I said the same thing in another thread and my head almost got chewed off LOL.

It definitely has a lower build quality compared to all other NEX, except the 3N. It 's roughly the same build as the 3N, same plain plastic finish.

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But the A6000 is made out of mag-alloy, not plastic.

It is not, Sony removed that part of the marketing. There may have been some preproduction models that were but it isn't now. The shell is poly/plastic/composite and supported at least in part by a metal infrastructure/frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53554186

Just curious where the actual facts are on this, rather than Sony pulling the reference in their video.

The facts? On which part?

Its not difficult to see the unpainted underside of the front/back plates, port/battery cover, and grip. The top plate could be I guess but based on unscientific acousitics/ thermal properties/feel compared to the obviously metal parts (flash/LCD hinge, dials, mount surround, screws, metal substructure) that is pretty unlikely.

As for the metal substructure you can open the battery compartment and see the grip is fully supported and a plate continues across the back.

All that said I have no problem with the build quality at all.

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

Metallic objects, like the NEX-5 & NEX-7 feel cool to the touch. Plastic objects ( A5000, A6000, NEX-3) feel warmer less solid and subjectively less pleasant. I am amazed that you don't know that. Even a 10 year old can differentiate between the two, by touch and feel.

1). Painted aluminum can rapidly assume ambient temperature. Some alloys are more or less resistant to heat exchange, it depends on composition.

2). Plastics are not created equal. Polymers and various other composite materials can have radically different weight, durability and appearance. Indeed, 'less pleasant' would be an entirely subjective interpretation, here.

3). I am being entirely civil, if not bobbing my head in fervent agreement. There was absolutely zero provocation for your 10 year old comment (the irony of which is not subtle).

NOT meaning to be rude. Dealing with frustration because if you would only choose to personally examine an A6000 you would immediately realize that this thing has a plastic body. Why do I even bother?

Not meaning to be rude, but have you read the post in this thread where pixelpushing showed YOU (captura) a picture of his A6000. I think he probably has examined it.

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality
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captura wrote:

jtyoung wrote:

That's odd actually. I'm holding my NEX-7 and my A6000 side by side and I'm surprised at how difficult it is to tell the difference in build between the two. The USB door on the A6000 feels more solid and securely in place compared to the 7. Aside from the tri-navi controls, they feel pretty much identical in hand.

Others besides myself have also commented about the N7's cool, metallic construction vs the A6000's cheaper-feeling plastic. Take your cameras out on a cold day for an hour then put them to your face. One will feel cold and the other not.

You realize you're telling someone that owns a NEX-7 and an A6000 what they should think about the respective build quality of each?

The other thing for me personally is my major preference for the much smaller shape and handling of my NEX-5R. It's so easy...to shoot on-handed, even. It has a touch-screen. And I can removre the EVF to make the camera so small it will fit in my pocket. (with a small lens attached.) That is MY personal preference to which I am entitled.

You're totally entitled to your preferences. Just don't tell me what my camera feels like.

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

captura wrote:

Sabud wrote:

captura wrote:

Sabud wrote:

I have the NEX5 / 5N, Richo GR, X-T1 and you are right. the a6000 looks and feel like a low budget camera. But I think it's all right, why over do it when most of them vill be upgraded within 2-3 years.

How do you like the Ricoh GR?

I like the GR very much. It's my easy to bring `street camera´and mainly for B/W. The X-T1 will be for hiking/travel and the a6000 have I bought to replace the NEX5n. Use it only with manual lenses as a digital back.

Thank you, Sabud; good to know.

As if I don't have enough cameras already, I was thinking about getting a used Fuji X100. These became very much improved AFTER they were discontinued! via a huge Firmware Update. They're available for as low as $550 on the used market now, and if a poll were taken of pros/enthusiasts for a walkabout fixed-lens camera, the X100 is so popular it might win the popularity contest.

But the GR is a comparable alternative.

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

captura wrote:

Euell wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

Euell wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

marc petzold wrote:

andye53 wrote:

Oh boy I said the same thing in another thread and my head almost got chewed off LOL.

It definitely has a lower build quality compared to all other NEX, except the 3N. It 's roughly the same build as the 3N, same plain plastic finish.

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But the A6000 is made out of mag-alloy, not plastic.

It is not, Sony removed that part of the marketing. There may have been some preproduction models that were but it isn't now. The shell is poly/plastic/composite and supported at least in part by a metal infrastructure/frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53554186

Just curious where the actual facts are on this, rather than Sony pulling the reference in their video.

The facts? On which part?

Its not difficult to see the unpainted underside of the front/back plates, port/battery cover, and grip. The top plate could be I guess but based on unscientific acousitics/ thermal properties/feel compared to the obviously metal parts (flash/LCD hinge, dials, mount surround, screws, metal substructure) that is pretty unlikely.

As for the metal substructure you can open the battery compartment and see the grip is fully supported and a plate continues across the back.

All that said I have no problem with the build quality at all.

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

and my point was to stop the spread of misinformation. I'm not bashing the build quality as I'd rate it quite high. It was just a dumb move by Sony marketing to say the shell was mag alloy and then have it not be a month later

Agreed!

I think Sony said the frame was mag allowy. Wrong?

AFAIK only time Sony made a claim either way was in the promo video from the linked post from earlier in the quote tree. In it the "host" says, "The actual camera looks different (comparing to the nex-6) as far as the make. This isn't plastic its...?"(referencing the body/shell she is tapping on). The Sony representative replies, "It's magnesium alloy"

It's all moot now the two sections referencing the mag alloy were later removed.

The top plate and bottom plate are definitely metal and the front plate may be. The frame is represented to be mag alloy.

You still insist on carrying on this disinformation...for what purpose? You keep supporting a premise that this is a mostly metallic body when anyone with any savvy would either look at the reviews and/or vist a store to examine the A6000. It is OBVIOUSLY and BLATANTLY plastic!

I've got one, shmuck, and am looking at it right now.  You don't know what you are talking about !

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

DtEW wrote:

captura wrote:

Euell wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

Euell wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

marc petzold wrote:

andye53 wrote:

Oh boy I said the same thing in another thread and my head almost got chewed off LOL.

It definitely has a lower build quality compared to all other NEX, except the 3N. It 's roughly the same build as the 3N, same plain plastic finish.

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But the A6000 is made out of mag-alloy, not plastic.

It is not, Sony removed that part of the marketing. There may have been some preproduction models that were but it isn't now. The shell is poly/plastic/composite and supported at least in part by a metal infrastructure/frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53554186

Just curious where the actual facts are on this, rather than Sony pulling the reference in their video.

The facts? On which part?

Its not difficult to see the unpainted underside of the front/back plates, port/battery cover, and grip. The top plate could be I guess but based on unscientific acousitics/ thermal properties/feel compared to the obviously metal parts (flash/LCD hinge, dials, mount surround, screws, metal substructure) that is pretty unlikely.

As for the metal substructure you can open the battery compartment and see the grip is fully supported and a plate continues across the back.

All that said I have no problem with the build quality at all.

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

and my point was to stop the spread of misinformation. I'm not bashing the build quality as I'd rate it quite high. It was just a dumb move by Sony marketing to say the shell was mag alloy and then have it not be a month later

Agreed!

I think Sony said the frame was mag allowy. Wrong?

AFAIK only time Sony made a claim either way was in the promo video from the linked post from earlier in the quote tree. In it the "host" says, "The actual camera looks different (comparing to the nex-6) as far as the make. This isn't plastic its...?"(referencing the body/shell she is tapping on). The Sony representative replies, "It's magnesium alloy"

It's all moot now the two sections referencing the mag alloy were later removed.

The top plate and bottom plate are definitely metal and the front plate may be. The frame is represented to be mag alloy.

You still insist on carrying on this disinformation...for what purpose? You keep supporting a premise that this is a mostly metallic body when anyone with any savvy would either look at the reviews and/or vist a store to examine the A6000. It is OBVIOUSLY and BLATANTLY plastic!

I would hold off on that judgment, Steve. I had thought the same initially... but closer inspection has muddled the issue.

And yes, I have it now.

Of course, it has some metal components like the NEX-6. But not the metal body panels of the NEX-7 and 5N. I should have said so.

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

pixelpushing wrote:

captura wrote:

Sabud wrote:

captura wrote:

Sabud wrote:

I have the NEX5 / 5N, Richo GR, X-T1 and you are right. the a6000 looks and feel like a low budget camera. But I think it's all right, why over do it when most of them vill be upgraded within 2-3 years.

How do you like the Ricoh GR?

I like the GR very much. It's my easy to bring `street camera´and mainly for B/W. The X-T1 will be for hiking/travel and the a6000 have I bought to replace the NEX5n. Use it only with manual lenses as a digital back.

Thank you, Sabud; good to know.

As if I don't have enough cameras already, I was thinking about getting a used Fuji X100. These became very much improved AFTER they were discontinued! via a huge Firmware Update. They're available for as low as $550 on the used market now, and if a poll were taken of pros/enthusiasts for a walkabout fixed-lens camera, the X100 is so popular it might win the popularity contest.

But the GR is a comparable alternative.

Steve

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Likewise early serial numbers 14xxxx +  with the Fuji X10, which had a sensor problem resulting in "white orbs."

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

Here's Marla? on the topic,

" Let’s talk build for a second. Build is a huge deal to me. I’m a long time NEX7 user and lover, and its full metal case has a very specific weight and feel in the hand, that is in no way equalled by the semi plastic construction of the N6, which feels too light, and a bit hollow, for my taste. The A7 was better, but not quite there. I hear the A7R is yet a bit superior, and very similar to the 6K. It makes sense, as I’d rate the latter at around 90 (or maybe 85%) of the N7′s sturdiness and tactile enjoyment."

http://itsnotthecamera.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/sony-a6000-very-first-impressions/

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

I said not necessarily an upgrade that does not mean it is not. In the light of the A57 to A58 and Nex 3 to A3000 it just should not be automatically assumed. Time will tell.

Dropping the level guide is one pretty obvious downgrade.

Euell wrote:

Greynerd wrote:

The transition from the Nex 6 to the A6000 is not necessarily an upgrade as the A6000 is a far cheaper camera than the Nex 6 at start pricing. The A6000 probably has a lot of firmware bugs sorted out and operational improvements but it is a lower cost model so do not be fooled by the 6 designation in terms of construction quality. Sony did this in A mount naming the entry level as the A58 which was really the A37 in many respects.

woodsjo3 wrote:

I'm no where close to claiming I'm a photographer. But I'm addicted to photography. I've tansitioned from my first camera the nex-3 to a nex-5 to a nex-5r to a nex 6 and finally to an a6000. Every time I've upgraded I've been happy with the build quality. But the a6000 feels like a toy in comparison to the nex 6. It feels almost bloated... just my thoughts, definitely not a deal breaker. I'm sure a real photographer would prefer a lighter body that the the plastic offers. I just thought it would feel morr durable.

Disagree completely. I own both and the use of metal top and bottom plates is an upgrade in build.

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

Greynerd wrote:

I said not necessarily an upgrade that does not mean it is not. In the light of the A57 to A58 and Nex 3 to A3000 it just should not be automatically assumed. Time will tell.

There may be others, too. And the original NEX-3 was a solid camera; maybe a thicker polycarbonate.

I also prefer my 5R to the 6 because of the touchscreen which I use a lot. And the smaller size as well as the metallic build. The 5R is just as capable as the 6. It is a shame that (barring the NEX-5T) there is no replacement model for the 5 line.

The A5000 is another cheaper plastic body with fewer features than the 5R/5T and is a replacement for the 3N.

So it looks like Sony have done some cost cutting (but added features) to enable them to bring the A6000 in at $649 body-only.

In contrast the Fuji XT1 is a far-better constructed camera, with similar performance. The two marques are not really competing with these models. Their target markets are completely different. Instead of the A6000, I would have preferred Sony bringing in an A7000 metal-body replacement for the NEX-7. That would have been the direct competitor to the XT1. I'd have paid the extra cost.

PS: Interestingly it seems that Fuji may very soon announce a new XT2, which will be a Full Frame competitor to the A7 series!

Steve

Euell wrote:

Greynerd wrote:

The transition from the Nex 6 to the A6000 is not necessarily an upgrade as the A6000 is a far cheaper camera than the Nex 6 at start pricing. The A6000 probably has a lot of firmware bugs sorted out and operational improvements but it is a lower cost model so do not be fooled by the 6 designation in terms of construction quality. Sony did this in A mount naming the entry level as the A58 which was really the A37 in many respects.

woodsjo3 wrote:

I'm no where close to claiming I'm a photographer. But I'm addicted to photography. I've tansitioned from my first camera the nex-3 to a nex-5 to a nex-5r to a nex 6 and finally to an a6000. Every time I've upgraded I've been happy with the build quality. But the a6000 feels like a toy in comparison to the nex 6. It feels almost bloated... just my thoughts, definitely not a deal breaker. I'm sure a real photographer would prefer a lighter body that the the plastic offers. I just thought it would feel morr durable.

Disagree completely. I own both and the use of metal top and bottom plates is an upgrade in build.

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality
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andye53 wrote:

Oh boy I said the same thing in another thread and my head almost got chewed off LOL.

It definitely has a lower build quality compared to all other NEX, except the 3N. It 's roughly the same build as the 3N, same plain plastic finish.

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But the A6000 is made out of mag-alloy, not plastic.

It is not, Sony removed that part of the marketing. There may have been some preproduction models that were but it isn't now. The shell is poly/plastic/composite and supported at least in part by a metal infrastructure/frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53554186

Just curious where the actual facts are on this, rather than Sony pulling the reference in their video.

The facts? On which part?

Its not difficult to see the unpainted underside of the front/back plates, port/battery cover, and grip. The top plate could be I guess but based on unscientific acousitics/ thermal properties/feel compared to the obviously metal parts (flash/LCD hinge, dials, mount surround, screws, metal substructure) that is pretty unlikely.

As for the metal substructure you can open the battery compartment and see the grip is fully supported and a plate continues across the back.

All that said I have no problem with the build quality at all.

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

and my point was to stop the spread of misinformation. I'm not bashing the build quality as I'd rate it quite high. It was just a dumb move by Sony marketing to say the shell was mag alloy and then have it not be a month later

Agreed!

I think Sony said the frame was mag allowy. Wrong?

AFAIK only time Sony made a claim either way was in the promo video from the linked post from earlier in the quote tree. In it the "host" says, "The actual camera looks different (comparing to the nex-6) as far as the make. This isn't plastic its...?"(referencing the body/shell she is tapping on). The Sony representative replies, "It's magnesium alloy"

It's all moot now the two sections referencing the mag alloy were later removed.

The top plate and bottom plate are definitely metal and the front plate may be.  The frame is represented to be mag alloy.

There is no bottom plate. The main shell has a front, back, top, and grip piece. The grip is definitely a plastic but screws directly onto the metal box that is the battery compartment. The molding techniques, thermal properties, acoustics, and a bit of internal paint chipping (for the front and back) of the other three pieces heavily imply they are too.

Additionally there is the battery door, port cover, and LCD surround. All are a unarguably plastic.

Finally there is a thin and textured piece behind the LCD which is likely a plastic or at least not metal. However it does sit directly on top of a piece of metal substructure that runs from the battery compartment along at least a potion of the back.

Once again I feel the need to say I don't find the body cheap/plasticy/hollow/boxy in the hand. Once a battery was inserted and lens put on it i thought it felt quite nice/solid and had little to no flex. I am not in anyway disappointed in the feel of the construction.

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I'm a bit disappointed with the a6000, to be honest. I was very excited about the much improved video quality and AF performance to begin with, and was just about ready to order one to replace my NEX-5N, but the more I think about it, the more the a6000 seems too heavily compromised. I want Sony to put all of their best features into one APS-C rangefinder-style camera - an 'a7000' with a touchscreen and the better EVF from the NEX-6/7... There seems to be some debate about the build of the a6000 too - I presume at least the top and front plate are Mag alloy like the 5N? It would be crazy for them to go backwards in regards to build quality too...

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Azurael wrote:

I'm a bit disappointed with the a6000, to be honest. I was very excited about the much improved video quality and AF performance to begin with, and was just about ready to order one to replace my NEX-5N, but the more I think about it, the more the a6000 seems too heavily compromised. I want Sony to put all of their best features into one APS-C rangefinder-style camera - an 'a7000' with a touchscreen and the better EVF from the NEX-6/7... There seems to be some debate about the build of the a6000 too - I presume at least the top and front plate are Mag alloy like the 5N? It would be crazy for them to go backwards in regards to build quality too...

For what it's worth, I too have an a6000 (and a NEX-5N, 5R and 6 available for comparison).  It has seemed to me from the outset that the a6000's external bodywork is largely plastic/polycarbonate.  I find it relatively easy to test the thermal properties of cameras thanks to a pretty cold house and usually cool fingers(!).  When I handle a camera that's not been in use, I can easily detect the differences in temperature between metal and polycarbonate parts - the latter tend to feel warmer.  There are some metals/alloys that feel a little less cold than others, but not generally to the extent that polycarbonate feels warmer.  So far, it seems to me that most of the parts of the a6000 I can touch are polycarbonate (obviously not the flash shoe and strap lugs though). Tonight I'll really closely inspect the part running along the back above the LCD as another poster suggested that it seemed to be metal. The NEX-6 seems to me to have a metal top cap but the rest of the bodywork in polycarbonate, whilst the 5N has a metal top cap and front half, with a polycarbonate rear.  The 5R is similar except that the top cap is polycarbonate, unlike its predecessor.

I have the sort of eyesight that allows me to notice even very fine moulding seams if I look carefully and that usually indicates polycarbonate also.  Of course, nothing's ever 100% certain - for example, many examples of Fuji's X-E1 and X-E2 do appear to have vertical moulding seams near the strap lugs, yet they also seem to be metal castings for that component (the top cap) - however, the seams do have a different look to them compared with the fine moulding lines on polycarbonate parts and are presumably left from part of the casting process.  However, there's always the extra confusion possibility caused by manufacturers historically having used metal-plated polycarbonate - which they may well still do.  Then a component can feel like metal (as the material you are touching actually IS metal), but it's actually polycarbonate underneath.  A lot of the late 70's onwards more affordable SLRs were like this - the Canon AE-1 was the first well-known model to have that construction on its top plate, but the earliest example I've seen was Canon's EX Auto, which replaced the almost-identical EX EE (which had an all-metal top plate).  Strange but true.  Going back (kind of) into Sony's history via Minolta, most of the Minolta XG SLRs of that time had this hybrid construction, whilst the XD's used metal top plates (at least the bulk of the production, it's possible that the very late, new-style logo ones may have changed).

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Did a quick search on Google but couldn't find exactly the construction materials on the a6000 but typically, the frame would be magnesium alloy & the exterior would be a composite/metal skin.....which both is durable. It is not weather sealed.

To my eyes, the shell of the a6000 looks metal. The only thing plastic or rubbery is the buttons, eyecup and grip. Everything else is metal. It's a very nice construction and the camera is well balanced and feels great in my hands. Not sure why it matters as this a6000 is a well built camera & the electronics on this body are ingenious. I own one.

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captura wrote:

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Euell wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

Euell wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

pixelpushing wrote:

ryan92084 wrote:

marc petzold wrote:

andye53 wrote:

Oh boy I said the same thing in another thread and my head almost got chewed off LOL.

It definitely has a lower build quality compared to all other NEX, except the 3N. It 's roughly the same build as the 3N, same plain plastic finish.

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But the A6000 is made out of mag-alloy, not plastic.

It is not, Sony removed that part of the marketing. There may have been some preproduction models that were but it isn't now. The shell is poly/plastic/composite and supported at least in part by a metal infrastructure/frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53554186

Just curious where the actual facts are on this, rather than Sony pulling the reference in their video.

The facts? On which part?

Its not difficult to see the unpainted underside of the front/back plates, port/battery cover, and grip. The top plate could be I guess but based on unscientific acousitics/ thermal properties/feel compared to the obviously metal parts (flash/LCD hinge, dials, mount surround, screws, metal substructure) that is pretty unlikely.

As for the metal substructure you can open the battery compartment and see the grip is fully supported and a plate continues across the back.

All that said I have no problem with the build quality at all.

My point being, nobody really knows exactly what the build composition of the A6000 is.

Until someone tears one apart or Sony publishes a cutaway or something, what do we really know, and what difference does it make? A paper thin aluminum skin in front of the very same metal and other parts inside doesn't make much difference to me, at least. I know having a metal top plate on my NX300 doesn't give it a better quality feel than my new A6000.

THAT SAID, if you find a worn Leica M9 or an older all-metal film camera from the 60's, they tend to 'brass' around the edges and that's kind of cool - but we're talking very old, or very expensive. Pretty much everything else these days is a super thin skin over a tight tangle of innards.

and my point was to stop the spread of misinformation. I'm not bashing the build quality as I'd rate it quite high. It was just a dumb move by Sony marketing to say the shell was mag alloy and then have it not be a month later

Agreed!

I think Sony said the frame was mag allowy. Wrong?

AFAIK only time Sony made a claim either way was in the promo video from the linked post from earlier in the quote tree. In it the "host" says, "The actual camera looks different (comparing to the nex-6) as far as the make. This isn't plastic its...?"(referencing the body/shell she is tapping on). The Sony representative replies, "It's magnesium alloy"

It's all moot now the two sections referencing the mag alloy were later removed.

The top plate and bottom plate are definitely metal and the front plate may be. The frame is represented to be mag alloy.

You still insist on carrying on this disinformation...for what purpose? You keep supporting a premise that this is a mostly metallic body when anyone with any savvy would either look at the reviews and/or vist a store to examine the A6000. It is OBVIOUSLY and BLATANTLY plastic!

I would hold off on that judgment, Steve. I had thought the same initially... but closer inspection has muddled the issue.

And yes, I have it now.

Of course, it has some metal components like the NEX-6. But not the metal body panels of the NEX-7 and 5N. I should have said so.

It's got metal top and bottom plates. The NEX 6 does not.  The front plate makes a noise like metal, but I suspect it is plastic.  The NEX 6 is pretty much all plastic, except for the frame.

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Euell Senior Member • Posts: 2,319
Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

captura wrote:

Here's Marla? on the topic,

" Let’s talk build for a second. Build is a huge deal to me. I’m a long time NEX7 user and lover, and its full metal case has a very specific weight and feel in the hand, that is in no way equalled by the semi plastic construction of the N6, which feels too light, and a bit hollow, for my taste. The A7 was better, but not quite there. I hear the A7R is yet a bit superior, and very similar to the 6K. It makes sense, as I’d rate the latter at around 90 (or maybe 85%) of the N7′s sturdiness and tactile enjoyment."

http://itsnotthecamera.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/sony-a6000-very-first-impressions/

I've written on the subject of functionality vs. cameras as status symbols.  In many areas plastic will serve as well as metal. Speaking of the NEX 7, while these bodies are still functional, specifications have moved on a bit since its design, particularly as affects IQ.  That is just the way of the world.  If you had to choose between a metal body and superior IQ, which would you choose?

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Re: Sony a6000 Build Quality

Helen wrote:

The NEX-6 seems to me to have a metal top cap....

It does, Helen. You are correct.

Euell wrote:

It's got metal top and bottom plates. The NEX 6 does not. The front plate makes a noise like metal, but I suspect it is plastic. The NEX 6 is pretty much all plastic, except for the frame.

Where are you getting this from.

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