Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

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brosenz Senior Member • Posts: 1,004
Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

Is there a way to trigger from the 7r the Sony Flash HVL-F60M when it's off camera?, thanks

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

You'll need a flash that will trigger it, like the f20 flash. Or get a remote/trigger kit or something that will work for Sony.

I've actually tried a few different remote and triggers from different brand and not many works with Sony flashes, unless you get the expensive ones I ended up selling the Sony flash and use a Canon flash.

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

lowincash wrote:

You'll need a flash that will trigger it, like the f20 flash. Or get a remote/trigger kit or something that will work for Sony.

I've actually tried a few different remote and triggers from different brand and not many works with Sony flashes, unless you get the expensive ones I ended up selling the Sony flash and use a Canon flash.

canon flash on sony means that you are limited to x-sync speed? 1/160th shutter max??? primitive, but if that's all you need...

i have the f60m hardwired, on a hand-held flash/camera bracket.

what i want is the phottix odin ttl radio set, a number of people out here have reported good results with it.

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

brosenz wrote:

Is there a way to trigger from the 7r the Sony Flash HVL-F60M when it's off camera?, thanks

It works fine with the HVL-F20M/AM camera - as an IR link (it needs a line of sight).

Sony also has a wireless adapter and a cable adapter - they have been posted here before.

With the Sony solution, you get TTL and HSS.

  • [ I have other adapters (Cowboy Studio), that work fine too, but without TTL and HSS. Funny is that the HVL-F45/60M/AM work with these adapters, but the HVL-F20M/AM do not. ]

If you use two HVL-F45/60M/AM flashes, you have more capabilities, such as dialing in the strength on each. With the HVL-F20M/AM you do not, but you can control each flash individually (including the HVL-F20 on camera).

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

blue_skies wrote:

brosenz wrote:

Is there a way to trigger from the 7r the Sony Flash HVL-F60M when it's off camera?, thanks

It works fine with the HVL-F20M/AM camera - as an IR link (it needs a line of sight).

Sony also has a wireless adapter and a cable adapter - they have been posted here before.

With the Sony solution, you get TTL and HSS.

  • [ I have other adapters (Cowboy Studio), that work fine too, but without TTL and HSS. Funny is that the HVL-F45/60M/AM work with these adapters, but the HVL-F20M/AM do not. ]

If you use two HVL-F45/60M/AM flashes, you have more capabilities, such as dialing in the strength on each. With the HVL-F20M/AM you do not, but you can control each flash individually (including the HVL-F20 on camera).

Thank you, do you have the P/N for the Sony Wireless adapter?

tex Veteran Member • Posts: 7,460
I'm doing that now

I have used the flash with a cord, with the little 20 flash, and now with the Odin.  Odin works best, but still not perfect.  have not been able to dial down the flash exp. in manual mode, as far as I can tell.  Also, I think the TTL with the 60 cuts out too soon---I want it to flash at higher light levels than it is, and have to go to manual to do it.  Whatever happened to "fill flash"?

Someone please explain to this user how/why an electronics giant like Sony has not developed better flash in every way, and especially radio triggering.  It ought to be built in, IMO.

I understanf why an electronics company might be running a bit behind on the optics side.  Not this, though.

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

osv wrote:

lowincash wrote:

You'll need a flash that will trigger it, like the f20 flash. Or get a remote/trigger kit or something that will work for Sony.

I've actually tried a few different remote and triggers from different brand and not many works with Sony flashes, unless you get the expensive ones I ended up selling the Sony flash and use a Canon flash.

canon flash on sony means that you are limited to x-sync speed? 1/160th shutter max??? primitive, but if that's all you need...

i have the f60m hardwired, on a hand-held flash/camera bracket.

what i want is the phottix odin ttl radio set, a number of people out here have reported good results with it.

I plan on getting the odin and use it with the f43m flash when my budget allows but for now I'm just using the phottix ares and canon on manual and fastest I can go is 1/200th shutter max before getting the black bar. I'm actually thinking of getting a metz 44 flash since I'm using it on manual anyways.

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

brosenz wrote:

blue_skies wrote:

brosenz wrote:

Is there a way to trigger from the 7r the Sony Flash HVL-F60M when it's off camera?, thanks

It works fine with the HVL-F20M/AM camera - as an IR link (it needs a line of sight).

Sony also has a wireless adapter and a cable adapter - they have been posted here before.

With the Sony solution, you get TTL and HSS.

  • [ I have other adapters (Cowboy Studio), that work fine too, but without TTL and HSS. Funny is that the HVL-F45/60M/AM work with these adapters, but the HVL-F20M/AM do not. ]

If you use two HVL-F45/60M/AM flashes, you have more capabilities, such as dialing in the strength on each. With the HVL-F20M/AM you do not, but you can control each flash individually (including the HVL-F20 on camera).

Thank you, do you have the P/N for the Sony Wireless adapter?

It's the ADPMAA and is proprietary to Sony. I don't think a third party makes it. It includes the pin connection to the MIS shoe. Amazon, BH, etc. carry it for $25. It works fine and has a stable connection without wobble of the flash attached. TTL does flow through with an AM flash attached to a camera with the MIS shoe.

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

I use the Phottix Odin for off-camera flash with my A7R and Sony flashes.  it works great and supports TTL and high speed synch (especially nice when the camera flash-synch speed is only 160th of a second).  If you go to my website, www.gr8photography.com and click on the "Model & Studio" under "My Photographs", the first 16 photos were taken with this combination (it was overcast, so I had enough power for the outdoor shots).

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tex Veteran Member • Posts: 7,460
Great. We need to talk! Or at least....

...I need to talk to you.  I'm having a bit of trouble in TTL mode with the Odin.   Also, I could not get the Stratos II receivers to work with the Odin in any way.

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

PVCdroid wrote:

brosenz wrote:

blue_skies wrote:

brosenz wrote:

Is there a way to trigger from the 7r the Sony Flash HVL-F60M when it's off camera?, thanks

It works fine with the HVL-F20M/AM camera - as an IR link (it needs a line of sight).

Sony also has a wireless adapter and a cable adapter - they have been posted here before.

With the Sony solution, you get TTL and HSS.

  • [ I have other adapters (Cowboy Studio), that work fine too, but without TTL and HSS. Funny is that the HVL-F45/60M/AM work with these adapters, but the HVL-F20M/AM do not. ]

If you use two HVL-F45/60M/AM flashes, you have more capabilities, such as dialing in the strength on each. With the HVL-F20M/AM you do not, but you can control each flash individually (including the HVL-F20 on camera).

Thank you, do you have the P/N for the Sony Wireless adapter?

It's the ADPMAA and is proprietary to Sony. I don't think a third party makes it. It includes the pin connection to the MIS shoe. Amazon, BH, etc. carry it for $25. It works fine and has a stable connection without wobble of the flash attached. TTL does flow through with an AM flash attached to a camera with the MIS shoe.

That isn't any kind of wireless adapter.  Sony doesn't offer a non-optical wireless solution. That adapter just lets you use auto-lock compatible accessories on cameras with the MIS version of the hot shoe.

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Re: Great. We need to talk! Or at least....

I'm not sure why your setup is not working.  I assume that you are shooting the camera on manual (I always use manual when shooting flash).  One note, when using HSS, it doesn't work unless the flash head is fully horizontal.

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symbology Regular Member • Posts: 224
Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely
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PVCdroid wrote:

brosenz wrote:

blue_skies wrote:

brosenz wrote:

Is there a way to trigger from the 7r the Sony Flash HVL-F60M when it's off camera?, thanks

It works fine with the HVL-F20M/AM camera - as an IR link (it needs a line of sight).

Sony also has a wireless adapter and a cable adapter - they have been posted here before.

With the Sony solution, you get TTL and HSS.

  • [ I have other adapters (Cowboy Studio), that work fine too, but without TTL and HSS. Funny is that the HVL-F45/60M/AM work with these adapters, but the HVL-F20M/AM do not. ]

If you use two HVL-F45/60M/AM flashes, you have more capabilities, such as dialing in the strength on each. With the HVL-F20M/AM you do not, but you can control each flash individually (including the HVL-F20 on camera).

Thank you, do you have the P/N for the Sony Wireless adapter?

It's the ADPMAA and is proprietary to Sony. I don't think a third party makes it. It includes the pin connection to the MIS shoe. Amazon, BH, etc. carry it for $25. It works fine and has a stable connection without wobble of the flash attached. TTL does flow through with an AM flash attached to a camera with the MIS shoe.

Just to be clear, Sony does not make a wireless adapter.  They make flash shoe adapters, which is what the ADPMAA is.  Nothing wireless about it.  Just a dumb adapter.

Why spend $400 on a HVL-F43M to use as a wireless commander when you can get the Odin set for $329.  You don't want to use any (or much) of that flash power on the camera anyway.

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Re: I'm doing that now
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tex wrote:

I have used the flash with a cord, with the little 20 flash, and now with the Odin. Odin works best, but still not perfect. have not been able to dial down the flash exp. in manual mode, as far as I can tell. Also, I think the TTL with the 60 cuts out too soon---I want it to flash at higher light levels than it is, and have to go to manual to do it. Whatever happened to "fill flash"?

Someone please explain to this user how/why an electronics giant like Sony has not developed better flash in every way, and especially radio triggering. It ought to be built in, IMO.

I understanf why an electronics company might be running a bit behind on the optics side. Not this, though.

Something is for sure wrong with your settings, or?   I am able to use the camera flash exposure comp to dial down all groups of TTL flashes on the Odin.  Then, I am able to dial it down even further with the Odin.  This came in real handy when I was using the Odin's on my a58 which only had +/- 2 stops of flash Comp.

I have only ever used the Odin's with older Sony flashes though, never with the F43M, or F60M.   I can't see why this would be an issue though.

Give us more detail into your settings on the camera, the Odin's and your flash.

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

symbology wrote:

PVCdroid wrote:

brosenz wrote:

blue_skies wrote:

brosenz wrote:

Is there a way to trigger from the 7r the Sony Flash HVL-F60M when it's off camera?, thanks

It works fine with the HVL-F20M/AM camera - as an IR link (it needs a line of sight).

Sony also has a wireless adapter and a cable adapter - they have been posted here before.

With the Sony solution, you get TTL and HSS.

  • [ I have other adapters (Cowboy Studio), that work fine too, but without TTL and HSS. Funny is that the HVL-F45/60M/AM work with these adapters, but the HVL-F20M/AM do not. ]

If you use two HVL-F45/60M/AM flashes, you have more capabilities, such as dialing in the strength on each. With the HVL-F20M/AM you do not, but you can control each flash individually (including the HVL-F20 on camera).

Thank you, do you have the P/N for the Sony Wireless adapter?

It's the ADPMAA and is proprietary to Sony. I don't think a third party makes it. It includes the pin connection to the MIS shoe. Amazon, BH, etc. carry it for $25. It works fine and has a stable connection without wobble of the flash attached. TTL does flow through with an AM flash attached to a camera with the MIS shoe.

Just to be clear, Sony does not make a wireless adapter. They make flash shoe adapters, which is what the ADPMAA is. Nothing wireless about it. Just a dumb adapter.

Why spend $400 on a HVL-F43M to use as a wireless commander when you can get the Odin set for $329. You don't want to use any (or much) of that flash power on the camera anyway.

I've been thinking about the Phottix Odin set as well, but I can get the HVL-F20M flash for $150 and get the same wireless solution, or the Phottix Odin will provide additional functionality?.

Is the Phottix Odin using the same Hot Shoe connector of the A7r or is it the old format and I will need and adapter on the A7r?

When do I have to use the "AutoLock Accessory Shoe" ADP-AMA, with old Sony Cameras?

Thanks

tex Veteran Member • Posts: 7,460
Yes, I'm in manual.....

...I was in TTl, but the Sony 60 seems to be more inclined not to fire in higher low light levels than my Metz's.  I'm not using HSS at the moment, but thanks for the tip on the flash head----I guess that's for the Sony flashes?  i wonder about the Metz's.

I really like aspects of the Sony 60---output and UI particularly (the Metz's are awful in that latter regard, imo...).  But it really is unbelievable how fast that flash overheats---I saw this guy give a rant on this on YouTube, and thought "Dude, take a Xanax..", but now.... wow, just wow.  I use it, but have to swap it out in the middle(or before!) of the shoot with a Metz.  And I'm shooting flowering trees, not an event....

And I really don't understand what's up with the Stratos receivers...I hope it's me, but...

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Thanks, I'll do that...

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Re: Trigger the Sony HVL-F60M off camera Flash from the 7r camera remotely

I've been thinking about the Phottix Odin set as well, but I can get the HVL-F20M flash for $150 and get the same wireless solution, or the Phottix Odin will provide additional functionality?.

If you're satisfied with LOS, then sure---but if not, then that's the whole point of radio triggers.  I just can't use LOS a lot of times in the field with what I'm doing.

Is the Phottix Odin using the same Hot Shoe connector of the A7r or is it the old format and I will need and adapter on the A7r?

Yes, the transmitter does.  The receivers don't(!!!) at this time..  So you'll need to adapt them unless the flash you're using has the old shoe----OR, if your flash has a cord socket that will work (the 60's doesn't...), you could use a dumb adapter just so the flash will sit there on the receiver and connect with a cord.

When do I have to use the "AutoLock Accessory Shoe" ADP-AMA, with old Sony Cameras?

When using an accessory(flash in this case, but it could be a mic) with the new foot on an old Minolta style shoe

Thanks

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Re: Yes, I'm in manual.....

tex wrote:

...I was in TTl, but the Sony 60 seems to be more inclined not to fire in higher low light levels than my Metz's. I'm not using HSS at the moment, but thanks for the tip on the flash head----I guess that's for the Sony flashes? i wonder about the Metz's.

I really like aspects of the Sony 60---output and UI particularly (the Metz's are awful in that latter regard, imo...). But it really is unbelievable how fast that flash overheats---I saw this guy give a rant on this on YouTube, and thought "Dude, take a Xanax..", but now.... wow, just wow. I use it, but have to swap it out in the middle(or before!) of the shoot with a Metz. And I'm shooting flowering trees, not an event....

And I really don't understand what's up with the Stratos receivers...I hope it's me, but...

Only the Odin RX's are able to use TTL.  The Strato and Strao II RX's are not TTL.   They list the Strato  TX as TTL, but I believe that is due to the pass through TTL hot shoe on the top of the TX.

One great thing about the Odin's is the flash can be in a bounce position and still work in HSS.  The flash only needs to be in TTL mode in order for HSS to work.  The HSS indicator does not need to be on.

Also, the older Sony and Minolta flashes only dropped the output down to 1/32 power while the newer 43/58/60 flashes drop down to 1/128th.   With the Odins, you can manually control the older flashes all the way down to 1/128th power.

tex Veteran Member • Posts: 7,460
Re: Yes, I'm in manual.....

Only the Odin RX's are able to use TTL. The Strato and Strao II RX's are not TTL.

Yes, I know.  I have 2 Odin receivers, and 2 Stratos II's.  The Odins do my TTL.  But i can'y get the Stratos' to work at all with the Odin transmitter in manual mode

They list the Strato TX as TTL, but I believe that is due to the pass through TTL hot shoe on the top of the TX.

One great thing about the Odin's is the flash can be in a bounce position and still work in HSS. The flash only needs to be in TTL mode in order for HSS to work. The HSS indicator does not need to be on.

ummmm...?  That last sentence...

Also, the older Sony and Minolta flashes only dropped the output down to 1/32 power while the newer 43/58/60 flashes drop down to 1/128th. With the Odins, you can manually control the older flashes all the way down to 1/128th power.

Oh, cool!  Although I don't have any...

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