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Quick impression.

Started Mar 30, 2014 | User reviews
pistyllphoto New Member • Posts: 20
Quick impression.
3

The recent price crash of this camera made it very attractive. It was bought specifically for use as a landscape camera to complement my carry anywhere Olympus EM 5. It lives up to its reputation for quirkiness and delivering the most amazing picture quality at low ISO. The lens sensor combination just works outstandingly. So far I have used the clunky Sigma pro software for basic processing and then imported the hight=est quality TIFF in to LR 5.

Overall a very good addition to my cameras. High end picture quality for an amazing price.

 pistyllphoto's gear list:pistyllphoto's gear list
Fujifilm FinePix F31fd Sigma DP2 Merrill Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF1 Olympus OM-D E-M5 Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH +8 more
Sigma DP2 Merrill
15 megapixels • 50 mm
Announced: Feb 8, 2012
pistyllphoto's score
3.5
Average community score
4.3
bad for good for
Kids / pets
awful
Action / sports
awful
Landscapes / scenery
excellent
Portraits
good
Low light (without flash)
awful
Flash photography (social)
mediocre
Studio / still life
okay
= community average
ripleysbaby Senior Member • Posts: 1,134
Re: Quick impression.
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I bought the DP1 and 3 because of the keen pricing and I've got to say I love them and the pictures they produce. I'll be getting the DP2 as soon as I can.
I heard about the sigma clunky software before I bought the cameras . But I was surprised by it. I have Aperture and Lightroom and the complete set of Nik plugins. But since I've been using SPP I find I don't need them.
SPP gives me the results I need. Detailed realistic images in a basic package.
I like SPP a lot.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/82557535@N08/

WhiteSwan Contributing Member • Posts: 631
Re: Quick impression.

I think that SPP is resource hungry.  It's fast enough on my Mac with it's 16GB of RAM, but noticeably slower on my Windows machine with 8GB RAM. Having said that, it isn't 'bad', just slower.

If you have a Mac, you might want to try Iridient Developer, which does a good job with Sigma RAW files.

William Wilgus Senior Member • Posts: 1,202
Re: Quick impression.

It isn't the amount of ram. The Mac's CPU is much more powerful than the ones in IBM-PC derivatives. Also, the video system in the Mac might be faster than the one in your PC, contributing to the difference.

Unfortunately for Mac users, I read that Apple is changing the CPU in the new Macs to the same one as used in PCs.  The reason?  Cost, and a better ability to run PC software.

MOD Kendall Helmstetter Gelner Forum Pro • Posts: 20,587
Macs and PC's have used same CPU for years

William Wilgus wrote:

It isn't the amount of ram. The Mac's CPU is much more powerful than the ones in IBM-PC derivatives. Also, the video system in the Mac might be faster than the one in your PC, contributing to the difference.

Unfortunately for Mac users, I read that Apple is changing the CPU in the new Macs to the same one as used in PCs. The reason? Cost, and a better ability to run PC software.

What do you mean my this?  Macs and PC's have both been using Intel CPU's for many years now.  Apple has supported Bootcamp for many years also, it boots into Windows just fine - or you can use virtualization software to run PC software in OSX.

Apple is making no changes to the Cpu that would hurt software, SPP included...

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Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG OS HSM Sigma 8-16mm F4.5-5.6 DC HSM Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG HSM Sigma 50-500mm F4.5-6.3 DG OS HSM Sigma 85mm F1.4 EX DG HSM +4 more
(unknown member) Forum Pro • Posts: 47,805
Re: Quick impression.
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William Wilgus wrote:

It isn't the amount of ram. The Mac's CPU is much more powerful than the ones in IBM-PC derivatives. Also, the video system in the Mac might be faster than the one in your PC, contributing to the difference.

Unfortunately for Mac users, I read that Apple is changing the CPU in the new Macs to the same one as used in PCs. The reason? Cost, and a better ability to run PC software.

Wow. Did you just come out of a time cocoon? This happened years and years ago.

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Lin Evans
Lin Evans Forum Pro • Posts: 17,702
Re: Quick impression.

Hi William,

Actually, the MacIntosh uses the identical CPU selections from Intel as do PC's and also uses the same selection of available video GPU's so there are no differences which can be attributed to either the CPU or GPU. How effective SPP is depends on the same factors with Apple as it does with Windows. RAM is quite important and most differences can be attributed also to differences in operating systems. For example, I have several Windows based computers ranging from a Core 2 Duo Intel with an older nVidia GPU (8800 GT) with 500 meg RAM running under XP home edition with 4 gigabytes of system RAM to an ASUS i7 with a top-end nVidia GPU having 3 Gig of GDDR5 video ram and 32 Gigabytes of system RAM running under Window 8.1.

The difference between these two systems running SPP is huge. Modern 64 bit systems with fast processors and excellent graphics environments facilitate running SPP smoothly and efficiently.

Apple dropped the Motorola 6800 years ago and went to Intel CPU's..... Virtually all modern MacIntosh computers have Intel CPU's.

Best regards,

Lin

William Wilgus wrote:

It isn't the amount of ram. The Mac's CPU is much more powerful than the ones in IBM-PC derivatives. Also, the video system in the Mac might be faster than the one in your PC, contributing to the difference.

Unfortunately for Mac users, I read that Apple is changing the CPU in the new Macs to the same one as used in PCs. The reason? Cost, and a better ability to run PC software.

OP pistyllphoto New Member • Posts: 20
Re: Quick impression.

Thanks for the suggestion about an alternative RAW converter. I find the Sigma software awkward and I think that is partly that I have been using Lightroom for many years (version 1 to now 5.3) and it fits my work flow easily.

I took the camera out for some street photography yesterday the results are good but its relative slowness to lock focus and then the long transfer times did make me wish that I had my EM5 and 20mm as well!

Here is one from a walk along Llandudno promenade yesterday. We had been across to see the Tom Wood exhibition at the Mostyn Gallery which if you are in the UK and can get to see it is very worth while - it closes next Sunday 6th April.

 pistyllphoto's gear list:pistyllphoto's gear list
Fujifilm FinePix F31fd Sigma DP2 Merrill Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF1 Olympus OM-D E-M5 Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH +8 more
(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 1,857
Re: Quick impression.

Lin Evans wrote:

The difference between these two systems running SPP is huge. Modern 64 bit systems with fast processors and excellent graphics environments facilitate running SPP smoothly and efficiently.

Hmm…my fastest Mac is a 12 Core machine with 16gb RAM and SSD, i wonder what machine i need to make my SPP running "smoothly".
Maybe you guys never use the full res button? After doing that, WB or NR or color mode changes take up to 10 seconds (each). In my opinion this is annoying and not acceptable. (to see differences in NR you need the 100% view)

Maceo

OP pistyllphoto New Member • Posts: 20
Re: Quick impression.
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Thanks for the suggestion to try Iridient I have just given it a try with the image in the post above. Very favourably impressed. It feels more intuitive it is faster and I like the look I can get with it. I am running a Macbook pro retina with 8Gb RAM.

 pistyllphoto's gear list:pistyllphoto's gear list
Fujifilm FinePix F31fd Sigma DP2 Merrill Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF1 Olympus OM-D E-M5 Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH +8 more
Johan Borg Veteran Member • Posts: 3,433
Re: Quick impression.

Lin Evans wrote:

Apple dropped the Motorola 6800 years ago and went to Intel CPU's..... Virtually all modern MacIntosh computers have Intel CPU's.

To nitpick, Apple dropped 68k processors two decades ago and used PowerPC processors until 2006. All new Macs since then run on Intel/x86.

In any case, Sigma Photo Pro doesn't seem to rely much on the GPU, but is capable of using multiple CPU cores efficiently, so a cheap quad core CPU will typically outrun an expensive dual core. In practical terms, the cheapest 15" Macbook Pro Retina will be significantly faster than a top-spec'ed 13" even if the dual core processor of the 13 inch has a much higher clock speed.

 Johan Borg's gear list:Johan Borg's gear list
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Lin Evans
Lin Evans Forum Pro • Posts: 17,702
Re: Quick impression.

Hi Maceo,

Interestingly, it takes six seconds to go to full resolution on a DP2M file with my best system and nine seconds to effect a full slider change in an operation such as exposure from one extreme to the other at 400%. I rarely use full res or even SPP for things like NR which I generally do with the tiff in post using other software such as Topaz so it has not really been an issue.

However, if you have ever attempted to do these things on a system like a Windows core 2 duo running XP, I know you greatly appreciate the vast differences with high-end hardware. Without knowing how much data is actually being crunched by SPP it's difficult to determine exactly where the bottleneck is, but the process is greatly facilitated by modern hardware and more recent OS changes. Just how much to attribute to which is not easily determined without some careful testing.

Best regards,

Lin

maceoQ wrote:

Lin Evans wrote:

The difference between these two systems running SPP is huge. Modern 64 bit systems with fast processors and excellent graphics environments facilitate running SPP smoothly and efficiently.

Hmm…my fastest Mac is a 12 Core machine with 16gb RAM and SSD, i wonder what machine i need to make my SPP running "smoothly".
Maybe you guys never use the full res button? After doing that, WB or NR or color mode changes take up to 10 seconds (each). In my opinion this is annoying and not acceptable. (to see differences in NR you need the 100% view)

Maceo

dmaclau Veteran Member • Posts: 3,053
Re: Quick impression.

There have been a few things I've immediately known were right for me.  One was Apples Aperture (pre LR) and the other Sigma DP cameras.  Unfortunately they haven't played well together at all and are unlikely to do so.

A different RAW processor may offer advantages but the X3F's still won't open in Aperture or LR so same problem for me.

The Merrrills have given me the opportunity to shoot RAW + JPG.  The JPG's are actually quite good and are read by Aperture.  This has simplified my workflow considerably.  Like many photographers a days shooting produces some images that are quite good, some that are very bad but the majority are in the "I don't know" category.  The JPG's are good enough for me to make decision about the I don't knows without investing hours in SPP.

I think that's about as good as it's likely to get...I'll take it.

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Fujifilm FinePix X100 Fujifilm X70 Fujifilm X-Pro2 Fujifilm XF 18mm F2 R Fujifilm XF 35mm F1.4 R +4 more
Marek L Contributing Member • Posts: 508
Re: Quick impression.

ripleysbaby wrote:

I bought the DP1 and 3 because of the keen pricing and I've got to say I love them and the pictures they produce. I'll be getting the DP2 as soon as I can.
I heard about the sigma clunky software before I bought the cameras . But I was surprised by it. I have Aperture and Lightroom and the complete set of Nik plugins. But since I've been using SPP I find I don't need them.
SPP gives me the results I need. Detailed realistic images in a basic package.
I like SPP a lot.
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/82557535@N08/

I fully agree with you and I like it a lot too

SPP produces unbeatable results and I never use any post processing after except for reframing or horizon correction in DXO.

Nothing clunky about this sofware, just pure processing power needed and a bit of patience to learn how to use it correctly and get all subelities out of this gem

 Marek L's gear list:Marek L's gear list
Fujifilm FinePix F30 Zoom Fujifilm FinePix S602 Zoom Sigma DP2 Sigma DP1 Sony Cyber-shot DSC-R1 +28 more
WhiteSwan Contributing Member • Posts: 631
Re: Quick impression.

Marek L wrote:

ripleysbaby wrote:

I bought the DP1 and 3 because of the keen pricing and I've got to say I love them and the pictures they produce. I'll be getting the DP2 as soon as I can.
I heard about the sigma clunky software before I bought the cameras . But I was surprised by it. I have Aperture and Lightroom and the complete set of Nik plugins. But since I've been using SPP I find I don't need them.
SPP gives me the results I need. Detailed realistic images in a basic package.
I like SPP a lot.
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/82557535@N08/

I fully agree with you and I like it a lot too

SPP produces unbeatable results and I never use any post processing after except for reframing or horizon correction in DXO.

Nothing clunky about this sofware, just pure processing power needed and a bit of patience to learn how to use it correctly and get all subelities out of this gem

I feel that SPP does a good job too, and is often under-rated.

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