EM-10 Shutter Lag - significantly worse than EM-5?

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Sulis2 Senior Member • Posts: 1,118
EM-10 Shutter Lag - significantly worse than EM-5?

Cnet Australia has a review of the EM-10 where they compare the speeds of various camera operations between the EM-1, the EM-5, the EM-10 and the NEX-7. [http://www.cnet.com.au/olympus-om-d-e-m10-339346498.htm?feed=rss]

The EM-10 comes out very well for RAW and JPEG shot-to-shot (with the faster processor that would make sense) but much, much worse than the other OM-Ds on start up time and - crucially for me - shutter lag:

EM-1: 0.02s

EM-5: 0.04s

EM-10: 0.13s

(The NEX comes out at 0.3 secs.)

Is this just a rogue result, or can anyone confirm it? And if it's genuine, what on earth could be the reason for it?

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Martin.au
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Re: EM-10 Shutter Lag - significantly worse than EM-5?
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Sounds dodgy. Slower than 1/10th of a second would be pretty obvious in general use, imo.

From imaging resource, the shutter lag is

E-M1 - 0.047s

E-M5 - 0.056s

E-M10 - 0.066s

I suspect that there's a but of margin of error in there. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the E-M5 and E-M10 are actually the same speed.

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herebefore
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Re: EM-10 Shutter Lag - significantly worse than EM-5?

There isnt that much shutter lag in the EPL1, and thats an ancient model so they either screwed up or made a mistake.

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Big Ga Forum Pro • Posts: 18,483
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herebefore wrote:

There isnt that much shutter lag in the EPL1, and thats an ancient model so they either screwed up or made a mistake.

There could very well have been a screwup. But if those figures are correct, there is a strong possibility that what you are seeing with the EM10 is something to AVOID the screwup that's been happening for some years.

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Sulis2 wrote:

Is this just a rogue result, or can anyone confirm it? And if it's genuine, what on earth could be the reason for it?

If its genuine and its fixed, there is one very obvious possibility ..... but I wonder if they had some delay mode on ?

Glen Barrington
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I haven't noticed any shutter lag of significance. . .

Maybe it is there, I don't know. But so far, it seems a lot faster and much more responsive than the older cameras I've been used to. I never really lost a shot with my Olympus E30 due to shutter lag anyway.  A couple of times I lost a few with my Olympus E500.   And while it wasn't a major issue with my elderly Canon G3 bridge camera, it did happen with more regularity than I would have liked.  I'm pretty satisfied with the progress in this area.

Could we have reached a point that while the measured differences between cameras might seem great, the practical differences are irrelevant? At this point, this isn't something that concerns me.

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Re: I haven't noticed any shutter lag of significance. . .
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I really want to know how on earth, during camera use a normal human happens to be in a scenario during wich he can detect the differences between 0.02s and 0.13s...

It seems to me more needless number mast****tion.

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Barry Stewart
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Fractions do count, in action shooting

Blaufeld wrote:

I really want to know how on earth, during camera use a normal human happens to be in a scenario during wich he can detect the differences between 0.02s and 0.13s...

It seems to me more needless number mast****tion.

Split seconds do make a difference in sports shooting — though a 10 fps motor drive, as in the E-M1, is great for "spray and pray."

I was shooting the tie-breaker penalty kicks at our soccer league's semi-finals and I got four frames between first contact and the goal line. That's roughly 4/10 of a second to travel 12 yards.

By extrapolation: 30 yards per second and 61 miles per hour (~100 km/h)… and many sports move at a higher pace — so if you're a one-shot shooter (not me), any excessive shutter lag — including evf/lcd lag — would be important.

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baxters Veteran Member • Posts: 5,029
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Sulis2 wrote:

EM-1: 0.02s

EM-5: 0.04s

EM-10: 0.13s

Human reaction time. Take the test. How fast are you? The average time is .215 seconds.

From PC Mag's review:
"The E-M10 is a fast-shooting camera. It starts and captures a photo in about 0.9-second, records a scant 0.05-second shutter lag in good light."

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Re: Fractions do count, in action shooting

Barry Stewart wrote:

Blaufeld wrote:

I really want to know how on earth, during camera use a normal human happens to be in a scenario during wich he can detect the differences between 0.02s and 0.13s...

It seems to me more needless number mast****tion.

Split seconds do make a difference in sports shooting — though a 10 fps motor drive, as in the E-M1, is great for "spray and pray."

I was shooting the tie-breaker penalty kicks at our soccer league's semi-finals and I got four frames between first contact and the goal line. That's roughly 4/10 of a second to travel 12 yards.

By extrapolation: 30 yards per second and 61 miles per hour (~100 km/h)… and many sports move at a higher pace — so if you're a one-shot shooter (not me), any excessive shutter lag — including evf/lcd lag — would be important.

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People who can't learn to anticipate a great action shot and who can't learn their equipment well enough to accommodate a lag of .11 of a second make lousy sports photographers.

Don't get me wrong, it's good to know the amount lag in exact terms, particularly in technical and scientific photography where the actual time between trigger stimulus and actual shutter release needs to be an exact known value. This type of information SHOULD be published.

But when dealing with sport and the all too human nervous system and its effect on a photographers ability to respond to stimuli and press the button, I can't believe it holds much relevance at all. Humans can learn to accommodate a gap of .11/sec quite readily.  It's called learning the gear.

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Jay Newfarm Junior Member • Posts: 47
Re: Fractions do count, in action shooting

Could it be that they have left the "playback duration" after recording an image at the default setting?

Sorry, don't remember the exact term used right now, but there is a setting in the menus for this; options 0.5 sec (default), 1 sec, and so on, and then "off". I found that the 0.5 sec viewing time was useless, and worse, that it delayed the next picture I was taking (not necessarily by 0.5 sec, but it was definitely noticable), so I turned it off. Then; everything as snappy as I could wish for.

Edit: Hmm... Tried to verify this. I might have been wrong on this theory. Seems to make no difference now.

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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 24,492
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baxters wrote:

Sulis2 wrote:

EM-1: 0.02s

EM-5: 0.04s

EM-10: 0.13s

Human reaction time. Take the test. How fast are you? The average time is .215 seconds.

Totally irrelevant, since the issue is when you press shutter, how long camera takes to respond, since you already have acted. No matter how much is one's reaction time, once we press the release button we want camera to take the picture, not add another lag.

From PC Mag's review:
"The E-M10 is a fast-shooting camera. It starts and captures a photo in about 0.9-second, records a scant 0.05-second shutter lag in good light."

INteresting the "good light" caveat. What is "good light"? Is the lag then not a shutter issue, but an AF issue. That's a different issue.

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Not something I worry about
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The time it takes for the AF to lock on the subject is usually longer than shutter lag time

Saying so there's no noticeable lag on the EM10 shutter that I've noticed

I never once missed a shot due to this factor

I did miss shots more due to the AF not locking onto the main subject though

Don't worry about numbers, it's the practical experience which matters

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