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Is this the expected corner performance of Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II ?

Started Mar 27, 2014 | Questions
milek Regular Member • Posts: 148
Is this the expected corner performance of Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II ?

I just received Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II lens, refurbished, directly from Olympus USA.  I got it for a great price thanks to the recent spring sale, but I'm beginning to think that there may have been a reason why it was refurbished in the first place.

Top-left corner from a shot at 75mm, wide open.  This is not even the worst corner.

This was shot under controlled conditions (tripod, MF, IS off, anti-shock).  It's actually very good in the center, but corners are pretty soft, and they don't sharpen up until f/11 (and even then, only just).  Online reviews indicate that the lens should be tack-sharp corner-to-corner at this focal length, even wide open.  Did I get a bad copy of the lens?

I'm thinking of returning it, but I thought I would check first with others who have experience with this lens.

For reference, this is the full version of the above shot.

jhinkey
jhinkey Senior Member • Posts: 2,817
Re: Is this the expected corner performance of Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II ?
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A couple of things:

- How close is this - many lenses don't perform as well when at close distances

- How do you know that you had the lens optical axis perfectly perpendicular to the test target?

- Field curvature - did you test with the focus optimized for the center only or did you try adjusting the focus so that the corners where at best focus?

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OP milek Regular Member • Posts: 148
Re: Is this the expected corner performance of Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II ?

This particular one was at about 1.5m/5ft.  I have taken the same shot at longer focal lengths and correspondingly longer distances, up to 5m/15ft.  All focal lengths show the same problem.

This was shot at home (with the resolution chart taped to the refrigerator) so it's obviously not perfect, but I did strive to align it the best I could.  I estimate a possible misalignment of the chart at maybe +-2mm/0.1" to the front or to the back.  At 75mm and wide open, the DOF calculators give me 4cm/1.5", so that should've been good enough I guess.

No, I did not try to focus on the corners.  If I understand it correctly, the reviewers take measurements based on flat targets, so if they got a good result that way, I figure I should be able to do the same.

CrisPhoto
CrisPhoto Senior Member • Posts: 1,749
Re: YES, it is expected
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Hello,

I did very similar test shots for all of my lenses, all in all about 12 lenses.

The behavior is as expected and is "middle class". There are lenses much worse (take the PL25/1.4 at aperture 1.4 with this target ...) while others are near to perfection (Oly FT 35/3.5 Macro, Oly mFT 75/1.8 or the PL25/1.4 at f5.6).

For a 300mm lens your result is not this bad and sending it to Oly will be quite useless.

Take a look at my Panasonic 12-35mm tests, while the focal length is completely another story the corner crops are similar to yours (take into account that you did not align the corners, so your pictures are smaller and are expected to show more blur)

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3383965

You can also compare your impression with the measurments at slrgear.com .

P.S.:

I have test shots for my ex 75-300 Mk1 as well as my 75-300 Mk2. If you want and if I have access to my home-PC I can forward these test photos to you. If you want, send a message to trigger me ...

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OP milek Regular Member • Posts: 148
Re: YES, it is expected

For a 300mm lens your result is not this bad and sending it to Oly will be quite useless.

Thank you for this info, I appreciate it! I have not sent it back yet.  I do not find the behavior of the lens unreasonable (at these focal lengths, center sharpness is the most important for me), it's just that online reviews seem to indicate that the lens should be able to do even better.

You can also compare your impression with the measurments at slrgear.com .

That's exactly where I've been looking and what is confusing me.  I mean, look at this chart:

It is not showing any corner blurriness worth mentioning!

I will try to reshoot my 75mm shot from a slightly greater distance tonight (3m/10ft is the best I can manage in my small apartment) and see if that changes anything, as implied by one of the questions from the first person who responded.

I have test shots for my ex 75-300 Mk1 as well as my 75-300 Mk2. If you want and if I have access to my home-PC I can forward these test photos to you. If you want, send a message to trigger me ...

PM'ed...

CrisPhoto
CrisPhoto Senior Member • Posts: 1,749
Re: YES, it is expected

Saw your PM.

Regarding the slrgear test chart: I was not aware that you were testing the short end at 75mm.

The short end is a complicated story:

I had both versions of the lens: Mk1 and Mk2. As far as I remember the Mk2 version was optimized for the medium to long end, meaning that resolution and corner sharpness was best from 100 to 220mm. Which is good in my opinion (wished they would have optimized it for 300mm)!

The older mk1 version (at least my sample) was optimized for the short end 75 to 140mm, but if I buy a super tele, I am interested in the long end, not the short. Therefore I found Mk1 a little but annoying ...

As slrgear never tested the newer mk2, the chart above is not applicable your your case, unfortunately. Indeed the newer lens was a little bit soft at the short end as far as I remember.

I will try to find the corresponding test photos from my lenses later ...

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Anders W
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Re: YES, it is expected

CrisPhoto wrote:

Saw your PM.

Regarding the slrgear test chart: I was not aware that you were testing the short end at 75mm.

The short end is a complicated story:

I had both versions of the lens: Mk1 and Mk2. As far as I remember the Mk2 version was optimized for the medium to long end, meaning that resolution and corner sharpness was best from 100 to 220mm. Which is good in my opinion (wished they would have optimized it for 300mm)!

The older mk1 version (at least my sample) was optimized for the short end 75 to 140mm, but if I buy a super tele, I am interested in the long end, not the short. Therefore I found Mk1 a little but annoying ...

Hi Cris,

Note that the Mk1 and Mk2 versions of this lens are optically identical (save for the lens coatings which are new on Mk2). So what you saw were sample variations rather than design differences.

Also, I am not sure I share your judgment that the lens of the OP is healthy. Have a look at SLR Gear's test shot here (their so-called VFA target) at 75 mm wide open and compare with that of the OP.

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsamples/olympus75-300f48-67m/zolympus75-300f48-67vfa075f48_ep1.jpg

As slrgear never tested the newer mk2, the chart above is not applicable your your case, unfortunately. Indeed the newer lens was a little bit soft at the short end as far as I remember.

I will try to find the corresponding test photos from my lenses later ...

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CrisPhoto
CrisPhoto Senior Member • Posts: 1,749
Re: YES, it is expected

Hi Anders,

Olympus itself says that the second lens has one ED element less. And me as well several others say that the new lens is sharper at the long end. But you are right, our observation could be sample variance. But only someone like Roger from lensrentals has enough lenses to rule out sample variation.

And for Kamil,

Here are the crops I promised earlier, full samples are on the way via email. If you compare them, for 100% comparability please assure you have

  • a target at A2 size (may consist of 4 sheets A4)
  • used a 300 or better a 600dpi printer (in your test I see heavy pixel artifacts in center and even in the edges)
  • the edges of your test shot are aligned to the 4:3 markings +5mm
  • used flash to rule out motion blur

Here are my 4 edge crops which are only roughly comparable because your edges are not at 4:3 mark. But I would say your lens looks not very different.

I know, shooting stupid test charts is not as easy as one might think. And am for sure not a good expert. But your test pic quality has to be improved, see your and my center crop. If the center is similar in sharpness, we can start talking about the edges.

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Anders W
Anders W Forum Pro • Posts: 22,144
Re: YES, it is expected
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CrisPhoto wrote:

Hi Anders,

Olympus itself says that the second lens has one ED element less. And me as well several others say that the new lens is sharper at the long end. But you are right, our observation could be sample variance. But only someone like Roger from lensrentals has enough lenses to rule out sample variation.

Where to they say that the second version has one ED element less? Here are the lens designs as presented by Oly themselves and they are identical as far as I can see: 18 elements in 13 groups, one super ED element, two ED elements, three HR elements. The manufacturer MTF charts are identical as well.

http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/dslr/mlenses/75-300_48-67/

http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/dslr/mlenses/75-300_48-67ii/

Unless Oly provides false information about the optical design of the two versions, that leaves sample variation as the only possibility. Besides, if they had taken away an ED element in the new version, that would lead us to expect worse rather than better performance from that version.

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OP milek Regular Member • Posts: 148
New results

I ran some more experiments tonight.

Summary:

I'm keeping the lens. My previous experiments were made from too close a distance.

More details:

When I enlarged the resolution chart and increased the distance to 3m/10ft, the performance in the corners increased a lot. Thank you, jhinkey and CrisPhoto for your useful suggestions to that effect and in particular thank you, Christof, for sharing the shots from your past experiments.

The funny thing is that I was testing two other lenses at the same time at the same focal lengths: Oly 14-150 and the old 4/3 Oly 70-300 (with a Panasonic adapter), and they were a lot better behaved at these close distances. So it must be something about the optical formula of Oly 75-300 where it's just particularly prone to poor corner behavior at close distances.

New result at 75mm wide-open.

Actually, while three corners improved markedly with increased distance, one (bottom-right) not so much. It is softer for focal lengths under 150mm and apertures under f/11. So my copy of the lens is not flawless, but, as CrisPhoto pointed out, that is not surprising at this price point. I can live with that, particularly since the long end does not appear to be affected, and I obviously agree that the long end is what we buy these lenses for (the reason I've been showing results from the short end is that the problem was more visible there; as we all know, Oly 75-300 is not as sharp at the very long end).

Regarding the discussion of mk1 vs mk2, it's indeed so hard for us individual users to tell what is a copy to copy variation and what is not... I was under the impression that the MTF charts were the same for both, so I assumed that slrgear tests would remain relevant. Also, Ephotozine saw the same (good) corner performance with mk2, although unlike slrgear they don't include resolution chart shots among sample pictures (bummer!).

With respect to pixelation artifacts in my shots, it's actually an interesting story. I have a 600dpi laser b&w printer which normally produces razor-sharp results, so I was a little surprised by that myself. Today I inspected it more closely and it turned out that the resolution chart available online does *not* use black, but dark grey. The printer was using halftones to represent the shade, hence the pixelation. Today I converted the PDF to black and white and reprinted it in a larger format, and you know what? I was actually missing the pixelation when checking the results! The pixelation was really helpful in telling sharp from almost sharp.

Also, thanks for the suggestion about the flash. I normally never use it with a tripod so it hasn't even occurred to me, but it turned out to be quite helpful here, as not only were the shots better lit, but the printer toner also reflects light a bit, resulting in a subtle pattern that helps when comparing resolutions between shots.

CrisPhoto
CrisPhoto Senior Member • Posts: 1,749
Re: New results

Milek,

glad to see that your are trusting the lens now. Don't want to stir you up but if you want to test the weak corner you could turn the camera 180° if you can mange this. But I would not know how to do it precisely enough without lens collar....

Yes, I confirm, printing test charts is nearly as complicated as shooting them.

The pixel artifacts in my charts make me assume that the printer, while in 600dpi mode, actually printed in 300dpi resolution. Maybe it is the dark grey tone (for MTF measurements, the chart has to be grey, because otherwise you would clip sharpening artifacts).

But maybe for our purpose and printers, a b/w version would be better

Have fun with you lens, I really enjoyed the 300mm range, but because of the bad light in winter , I have switched to 50-200mm currently ...

Christof

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Punda
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Re: Is this the expected corner performance of Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II ?

This is (a crop) the corner performance of my copy at 300mm handheld f/6,7 iso800.

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OP milek Regular Member • Posts: 148
Re: Is this the expected corner performance of Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II ?

Iroon,

Yes, this is essentially in line with the performance I'm seeing now that I've adjusted my shooting distance.

Thanks/Dank je,

Kamil

OP milek Regular Member • Posts: 148
Re: New results

glad to see that your are trusting the lens now. Don't want to stir you up but if you want to test the weak corner you could turn the camera 180° if you can mange this. But I would not know how to do it precisely enough without lens collar....

Wait, how would that work? You rotate the camera in order to check what exactly? To verify that the soft corner rotates as well? How could it not? And yeah, doing it precisely would be a hassle... I believe I can mount my camera upside-down on my tripod, but I would need to adjust the leg length, so it would be a whole new experiment.

(for MTF measurements, the chart has to be grey, because otherwise you would clip sharpening artifacts).

I was wondering if it was deliberate. Interesting to know, thanks.

Have fun with you lens, I really enjoyed the 300mm range, but because of the bad light in winter , I have switched to 50-200mm currently ...

Yeah, 75-300 is very much a specialty lens that I normally only use a couple of times a year, and since I had an old  70-300 back from my 4/3 DSLR days, I was reluctant to pay the premium price for the m43 version. Now that I have both, I can see what a pig of a lens the 4/3 version is.  It's larger and heavier and, most importantly, slow and noisy to focus (I missed some great shots because of that in the past, like dolphins in Costa Rica). And while it is nominally a wider-aperture lens, in practice it does need to be stopped down considerably for optimum sharpness.

keepreal
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Re: Is this the expected corner performance of Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II ?
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I bought this lens a week ago (March 2023) and a distant shot at f/8 is extremely sharp corner to corner. I have not checked other settings but casual shots suggest similar until at least 200mm.

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