Camera Munufacturers, please stop...

Started Mar 21, 2014 | Discussions
frank-in-toronto Senior Member • Posts: 1,034
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the samsung nx100 with aps-c went for $300 in canada at the end.  super good quality with a good kit zoom.  but the market seems to have moved to higher priced smaller sensors (1 inch). i guess as consumers we need to realize that the manufacturers just want our money. they are not building a legacy. so changing sensors, removing viewfinders and adding them back, taking away mirrors and selling generations of mirrorless much less capable....all this is to get our dollar.  nobody wants what the OP is asking for. zoom is king at the lower end.

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rxbot Senior Member • Posts: 1,844
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You might try Fuji X-A1 it is bayer APS-C though it is ilc you might like it with 27mm pancake which will give you 40mm ff view. Probably more than you want to spend but who knows perhaps you could put up with the kit zoom. A used Pentax k-01 with compact kit lens it came with could be another option the sensor was very good when it came out.

Aberaeron Veteran Member • Posts: 6,740
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Ken Croft wrote:

I have a Canon 60D which I do not want to carry everywhere, so as my always-with-me camera I have had a Canon S95 for the past two years. It produces excellent images, for a pocket camera. But I can afford a better carry-around camera and I have been looking at the much hyped and highly specified Sony RX100, both versions. Despite the hype and the spec which raises expectations, the results from published tests look just a bit better at base ISO [worse in the case of the RX100-II] than the S95. Not a lot better, just a bit, and of course they are deemed to be excellent, for a pocket camera. So I am a bit confused, and the waters have been muddied even more by three frustrating months trying to squeeze stunning images from the miniscule sensor of the Canon SX50. I failed and ebayed it, happy to take the loss.

So one evening when browsing through holiday pictures on the computer, I came across just ordinary snaps taken with the entry level dslr that I had at the time, the Canon 350D and cheapo Sigma 18-125mm. These were taken in 2006, 8 years ago, and what I saw really woke me up. The pictures were stunning in comparison to the S95, the RX100, the SX50 and all other small-imager pictures I have taken. So now I know that my next pocket camera should have an APS-C sized imager; so what have we got. At first I found the Nikon "A". Sorry, I must read that again! £650? There must be some mistake, but no, that is even a special offer price. Then I found the Ricoh GR [aka Pentax] for £560, again as a special offer. You really are taking the p*ss you lot! All I want is a simple pocket camera. I do not want the mechanical complexity of mirrors flapping about nor do I want a pentaprism. I don’t really need an adjustable movable rear screen. I don’t want a socket into which I can fit an EVF that costs as much as the camera. And I certainly do not want NFC, WiFi, GPS, VD or AIDS and nor do I really need an image stabilizer, in my film days I managed quite nicely without one. I can get all of that complication, well maybe not VD or AIDS, and Canon can make a profit, from a £300 Canon dslr complete with zoom lens. All I want is a plastic box with a fixed prime lens and a 3" screen on the outside and an APS-C imager on the inside. How difficult can that be? I don’t even want warranty, at that price it will be in the bin if it goes wrong and I will just buy another, so you don’t even need a backup and repair service. And you can forget the fancy box and useless CD’s just pack it in a padded bag and I will download the software and instructions from the internet. If Canikon can sell a complete dslr for £300 then a fair price for my camera would be £100, but let us not be too radical, let’s say £200. At that price it would fly off the shelves and would revive the fortunes of any ailing camera manufacturer.

So come on, ditch the bells and whistles, stop taking..., and give us an APS-C camera at a sensible price.

Maybe I might even stretch to £300.

Ken from the UK now in France

I have not read any replies yet but the Samsung NX1000 sounds like what you need at the price. I had one and it is a very capable camera. I actually didn't get on with it because it was too easy to use and I didn't like the white colour of my example. Panasonic and Olympus make similar M4/3 cameras but at this price point none have a viewfinder that I can think of.

The main problem you seem to have is your perception of the value of money, as opposed to actual value for your money. This is NOT an camera problem it is a monetary one. That camera companies are working with margins that are wafer thin at best and massively loss-making at worst, should tell you something about 'value'.

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OP Ken Croft Senior Member • Posts: 1,693
Re: Camera Munufacturers, please stop...

If there was a way to close this thread I would now do it because I think it is now due.

The thread has been interesting because it has re-affirmed several views I have about forums.

1 As one poster noted, irony and the internet do not mix well. Even tongue-in-cheek comments are not appreciated. Humour doesn't even get a look in.

2 It does not take many posts before mildly abusive comments appear, quote:- "Both are YOUR fault BTW."

3 The topic drifts and false assumptions appear; one poster assumed I am cash limited, missing the whole point of the post.

4 Most posters are well meaning and offer thoughtful advice.

5 I must try to be less abrupt and abrasive with my own comments.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

Ken from the UK now in France

Aberaeron Veteran Member • Posts: 6,740
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Ken Croft wrote:

*If there was a way to close this thread I would now do it because I think it is now due.

The thread has been interesting because it has re-affirmed several views I have about forums.

1 As one poster noted, irony and the internet do not mix well. Even tongue-in-cheek comments are not appreciated. Humour doesn't even get a look in.

2 It does not take many posts before mildly abusive comments appear, quote:- "Both are YOUR fault BTW."

3 The topic drifts and false assumptions appear; one poster assumed I am cash limited, missing the whole point of the post.

4 Most posters are well meaning and offer thoughtful advice.

5 I must try to be less abrupt and abrasive with my own comments.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

Ken from the UK now in France

*I'm afraid that once the genie has been let out of the bottle, you don't get the luxury of stuffing it back in or regulating the answers.

For what it's worth I think you are being far too fussy and sensitive and need to develop a thicker skin and a more positive outlook to replies and possibly to your own replies to those posts going from your number 5 above. Certainly you should not expect everyone to agree with you.

It's the internet and you get all sorts responding and some will be grumpy, some humorous, most well meaning, lots of thread drift, some nasty trolls and clever dicks, and so on. It is not for everyone.

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