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E-PM2/E-PL5 users, how is the IBIS and any signs of shutter shock?

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sderdiarian Veteran Member • Posts: 4,248
E-PM2/E-PL5 users, how is the IBIS and any signs of shutter shock?

I just recommended the E-PM2 2 lens kit selling for $389 to my brother inlaw as a step up from his ancient superzoom for an upcoming 3 week trip to Germany.  A no-brainer given the sensor (I have an E-M5, so know it well), 28-300mm 35mm equivalent range provided by two decent lenses, small size for travel and very low price.

My question is how well does the IBIS perform, and is shutter shock occasionally evident between 60 and 160 as with the E-M5?  I know the IBIS won't be equal to the E-M5's, but I had an E-PM1 and am hoping it was improved since then (where it was non-existent).

I'm also guessing these questions apply similarly to the E-PM2 and E-PL5, guessing that their IBIS is identical.

Thanks!

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Re: E-PM2/E-PL5 users, how is the IBIS and any signs of shutter shock?
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sderdiarian wrote:

I just recommended the E-PM2 2 lens kit selling for $389 to my brother inlaw as a step up from his ancient superzoom for an upcoming 3 week trip to Germany. A no-brainer given the sensor (I have an E-M5, so know it well), 28-300mm 35mm equivalent range provided by two decent lenses, small size for travel and very low price.

My question is how well does the IBIS perform, and is shutter shock occasionally evident between 60 and 160 as with the E-M5? I know the IBIS won't be equal to the E-M5's, but I had an E-PM1 and am hoping it was improved since then (where it was non-existent).

I'm also guessing these questions apply similarly to the E-PM2 and E-PL5, guessing that their IBIS is identical.

Thanks!

I have the E-pm1 and E-pm2 with the two zoom lenses.  Shooting outdoors there is no issue. Indoors in  poor light he will get some blurred pictures on the longer end of the 40-150 telephoto  because of the difficulty of holding the camera steady and the slow lens.  I can't speak on the shutter shock issue because I've never experienced it. This forum seems to to be obsessed with this shutter shock issue. Is it even real ??? He is going to be happy with this camera set up. You may want to show him the SCP which makes the E-PM2 a lot easier to use. You can also map some camera functions to the two programmable function buttons.  Or just leave the camera in i-auto and fire away. This little camera takes amazing photos.

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Re: E-PM2/E-PL5 users, how is the IBIS and any signs of shutter shock?

Thanks, Tony, and yes, first thing I'd do is set him up with SCP, turns a confusing interface into one of the best.  On shutter shock, I have experienced it in my E-M5 on a few occasions, apparently some people more often.  Sounds like you haven't, which is good.

Others?

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Re: E-PM2/E-PL5 users, how is the IBIS and any signs of shutter shock?
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I did a quite extensive comparison between EM5, EM1 and PM2 recently. I did several hundreds of test shots under controlled environment. Maybe I will post my results here in a different thread. But I am a little bit afraid of weird discussions that may result ...

Anyhow, answering your question:

The Two OMDs are quite similar, regarding PM2, I found two differences:

  • PM2 has vibrations with higher frequency (OMDs have about 100Hz, PM2 has about 300Hz). Seems to be related to less weight and a different shutter mechanism. The higher frequency might show an influence on higher shutter speeds (1/200s and shorter) while the lower frequency does not hurt at speeds <1/200s.
  • PM2s IBIS is less effective with long shutter times. Hand-holding the 40-150 is possible with shutter speeds: PM2=1/100s, EM5=1/50s and EM1=1/25s.

Overall for the price the PM2 is a nice camera that can deliver wonderful photos. But if you need best picture quality under difficult circumstance you might wish something like EM5/EM1 (I can not comment on EM10 as I don't have one).

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secretworld Senior Member • Posts: 1,734
Re: E-PM2/E-PL5 users, how is the IBIS and any signs of shutter shock?

I have not seen SS with my PM2 and the following lenses; 7-14, 20, 45 f1.8 and 40-150 (oly). I have the shutter delay set to 1/8sec just to be sure. My 14-45 doesn't look as sharp as I remember though. The ibis does help somewhat with longer shutter times, but I try to avoid using it and use fast enough shutter speed as those results are sharper!

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Rolfens Forum Member • Posts: 97
Re: E-PM2/E-PL5 users, how is the IBIS and any signs of shutter shock?

I have an e-pm2 with kit 14-42.
I have made 100 or more shots while trying to understand the IBIS. If you expose the sensor without a lens, you can see the IBIS work, and the range of movement of the sensor is impressive.
If I make long exposures and move the camera in a circle (to create a light trail circle), I can clearly see that the circles are smaller with the ibis on.
But in normal, comparative shots, when I keep a steady hand (I'm good at that), I can hardly notice any improvement, with or without anti-shock. I'd say maybe a 5-10% improvement in sharpness, but I'm not even sure, so much thatI'd rather keep it off.
I havent seen any evidence shutter shock, but then most of my tests are at slow shutter speeds (1/10 and such), so maybe I'm not in the right range.
I cant tell how the IBIS works with a tele, but if it was me I'd buy a Panasonic tele with OIS and forget all about un body stabilization on the E-PM2.
But I don't mind that much. The IBIS was never a factor in my decision, but I was hoping to be pleasantly surprized. I wasnt.

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Allan Brown
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Re: E-PM2/E-PL5 users, how is the IBIS and any signs of shutter shock?

sderdiarian wrote:

I just recommended the E-PM2 2 lens kit selling for $389 to my brother inlaw as a step up from his ancient superzoom for an upcoming 3 week trip to Germany. A no-brainer given the sensor (I have an E-M5, so know it well), 28-300mm 35mm equivalent range provided by two decent lenses, small size for travel and very low price.

My question is how well does the IBIS perform, and is shutter shock occasionally evident between 60 and 160 as with the E-M5? I know the IBIS won't be equal to the E-M5's, but I had an E-PM1 and am hoping it was improved since then (where it was non-existent).

I'm also guessing these questions apply similarly to the E-PM2 and E-PL5, guessing that their IBIS is identical.

Thanks!

I have an EPM1 and an EPL5. I find the IBIS to be of limited use. For shutter speeds of 1/60 and faster, I usually have it turned OFF. It does work at slower speeds but not as well as a Panasonic lens with OIS.

For me, IBIS in these cameras is not a buying consideration.

As for shutter shock, I have seen it many times in both bodies - usually when IBIS or OIS is turned ON. My latest experience with it was with the Panny 12-32 using OIS or IBIS. Many shots showed SS at high shutter speeds - from 1/500 to 1/1600.

See this thread here for an example at 1/800 and the feedback from other forum members.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53531645

While this thread is about one particular lens/body combination, I have experienced SS with different lenses including the Samyang fisheye, kit lens and others.

These cameras have other strong selling points but IBIS is not one of them.

As for the longer lens you mention, I find the body as-is to be a bit too small to hold the longer lenses steady. You will need a larger grip such as the large grip for the EPL3. This is an advantage of the EPL5 in that it can take different grips.

Allan

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