Memes and Trolling

Started Feb 20, 2014 | Discussions
Shop cameras & lenses ▾
LaFonte Senior Member • Posts: 2,757
Re: I'm a JPEG shooter

Joel Stern wrote:

nixda wrote:

taz98spin wrote:

nixda wrote:

DocetLector wrote:

agree 100% ! Just recently a guy opened up a thread about waxy skin tones, showing a photo which was out of focus, way off WB and badly exposed. I would really like to know if those people do have Fuji gear because it is so easy to open up a new thread in another forum, claiming I have a camera this or that brand. Who can verify ? May be just trolls!

There are trollish topics, for sure, but that one isn't one of them. The plasticky skin rendition is a well-known flaw in the JPEG engine of the newer cameras. Whether it's blown out of proportion is another matter, but for JPEG shooters it is a legitimate problem.

I'm a JPEG shooter. Even for weddings, engagements, and studio sessions, I use JPEGs only.

I have deadlines to meet for my clients, and a full time job outside of photography, so I try to get everything right in camera, so I can spend minimum time in photoshop.

However, I've never had issues with plasticky skin as bad as the other thread showed. It looks like the photo was out of focus, and he adjusted the clarity setting to the extreme.

Besides, if waxy skin is a such a well-known issue, shoulnd't owners of the Fuji cameras should avoid high ISO or shoot RAW or use a flash?

That is better discussed in the other threads that deal with the subject, but yes, your suggestion is quite valid. However, a lot of people are ticked off by the fact that the X-Pro1 and the X-E1 do not show that behavior nearly as bad (if at all) as the X-E2. It has less to do with shooting technique than with Fuji's implementation of the JPEG engine. They as much as admitted that they render images to satisfy certain markets, which might not satisfy other markets.

And people hated the 100s vs the 100

-- hide signature --

If i am typing on my iPad, please excuse any typos.

I think the 100s is more consistent in iq than the old 100. It is about the same speed. What I didn't like about my x100s was that it lasted for about 900 shots then died.

 LaFonte's gear list:LaFonte's gear list
Fujifilm FinePix X100 Panasonic FZ1000 Fujifilm X-Pro1 +2 more
Don Karner Senior Member • Posts: 1,166
Re: Memes and Trolling

I know what a troll is, but thanks to this thread, I had to look up what the heck a "Meme" is.

I learn something every day......

-- hide signature --

Ol' Don in Broken Arrow

 Don Karner's gear list:Don Karner's gear list
Canon PowerShot SX230 HS Canon EOS M Nikon D5300 Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D +7 more
Dorkington Regular Member • Posts: 355
Re: Memes and Trolling
2

I'm back to restarting my ignore list. This place gets really annoying every time a new camera or lens is produced.

(had an old account, this is a different one)

 Dorkington's gear list:Dorkington's gear list
Fujifilm X-E2 Fujifilm XF 35mm F1.4 R Fujifilm XF 14mm F2.8 R Fujifilm XF 23mm F1.4 R Fujifilm XF 56mm F1.2 R +2 more
Graham Hill Senior Member • Posts: 1,355
Re: Memes and Trolling
1

LaFonte wrote:

Fuji was also telling us about xpro1 as being fastest focusing camera with 0.005 s lag. This was also deceiving as it is using one real number (lag) to give impression of something else in this particular case the speed of auto focus. So no wonder people would complain that their world fastest focusing camera is somehow not that fast.

Yes, Fujifilm has claimed "world fastest autofocus" so many times that it has lost all meaning.

And don't forget that the goal of consumers is to consume, go and buy.

Yep.  Big time.  The hype machines are in full swing these days with rumor sites and professional bloggers nothing more than lightly disguised shill machines.

Repeatedly. We have very little to say about anything else so if a camera is hyped and it doesn't live to its hype then there are complains.

I think Fuji should start selling the cameras in more professional manner (the old canon.Nikon way) not the apple way. Bring up the real strengths, don't try to invent names and hyped technologies for the smallest least important things and for our sake stop the bs about world fastest, best or prettiest.

Absolutely agree.  Fujifilm should lose the snake oil.  It is transparent.

Aethon Regular Member • Posts: 318
Re: Godwin's Law
1

57LowRider wrote:

Alohaman wrote:

I some wise person said that whoever uses the "Nazi-card" first usually looses the argument.

Nothing about winning or losing an argument, everything about thread length and probability

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Well, Alohaman didn't actually quote Godwin's Law, so his statement was perfectly correct.

But even if he had, Godwin's Law certainly doesn't say "nothing about winning or losing an argument". That proposition is a corollary of the Law, i.e. it naturally follows from it. Your own link says that too.

Speaking as a fellow-pedant, It's legitimate to quote it as Godwin's Law.

Aethon Regular Member • Posts: 318
Re: Memes and Trolling
1

Graham Hill wrote:

LaFonte wrote:

Fuji was also telling us about xpro1 as being fastest focusing camera with 0.005 s lag. This was also deceiving as it is using one real number (lag) to give impression of something else in this particular case the speed of auto focus. So no wonder people would complain that their world fastest focusing camera is somehow not that fast.

Yes, Fujifilm has claimed "world fastest autofocus" so many times that it has lost all meaning.

And don't forget that the goal of consumers is to consume, go and buy.

Yep. Big time. The hype machines are in full swing these days with rumor sites and professional bloggers nothing more than lightly disguised shill machines.

Repeatedly. We have very little to say about anything else so if a camera is hyped and it doesn't live to its hype then there are complains.

I think Fuji should start selling the cameras in more professional manner (the old canon.Nikon way) not the apple way. Bring up the real strengths, don't try to invent names and hyped technologies for the smallest least important things and for our sake stop the bs about world fastest, best or prettiest.

Absolutely agree. Fujifilm should lose the snake oil. It is transparent.

I think people need to stop having hysterics about normal marketing techniques. I mean, good grief, don't you have anything else to worry about?

The idea that Canon and Nikon don't hype the new features of their cameras is beyond ridiculous.

Finally, do you really want Fujifilm to market less aggressively from what is an already weak market-position? Because if they do, and their sales drop, what will happen to the X-Series then?

Relax. Take some medication. It will all be okay.

SensorGuy
SensorGuy Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: Memes and Trolling
1

Joel Stern wrote:
there is a belief that fuji applies NR to RAW. Yes, it is all over, I even bought into thst one when viewing the DPR images.

If you understand how demosaicing the 6x6 X-Trans CFA raws actually works, you will know that there is, effectively, noise reduction applied to raw images.

kodachromeguy Contributing Member • Posts: 737
Re: Memes and Trolling and utter stupidity
1

You forgot:

this camera has such terrible low light capability and only goes to ISO 12,500;

it can't focus on a moving soccer player in low light;

the finder only has 8 million pixels;

this inferior camera makes blurry photographs because it won't focus my 1970 Nikon manual focus lens;

why should I use a tripod?

why are the lenses so heavy and big when micro 4/3 lenses are smaller?

These First World complaints go on and on.

-- hide signature --

The Kodachromeguy

nixda Veteran Member • Posts: 4,751
Re: Memes and Trolling

SensorGuy wrote:

Joel Stern wrote:
there is a belief that fuji applies NR to RAW. Yes, it is all over, I even bought into thst one when viewing the DPR images.

If you understand how demosaicing the 6x6 X-Trans CFA raws actually works, you will know that there is, effectively, noise reduction applied to raw images.

'Applied' is not the right word here. It's a consequence of the interpolation scheme. AFAIK, there is no noise reduction after demosaicing.

 nixda's gear list:nixda's gear list
Fujifilm X-E1 Fujifilm XF 14mm F2.8 R Fujifilm XF 18-55mm F2.8-4 R LM OIS Fujifilm XF 55-200mm F3.5-4.8 R LM OIS Fujifilm XF 27mm F2.8 +1 more
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum MMy threads