sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

Started Feb 14, 2014 | Discussions
TommieH Regular Member • Posts: 311
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

stevo23 wrote:

ianbrown wrote:

There are many opinions starting to form of this lens and I am so surprised that people expect this to be a wonder lens! yes it's not cheap but it's still a zoom lens and zooms are a compromise.

So if you expect tack sharp images accross the frame at large apertures then you may be disappointed!

This lens is versatile and will give you much sharper images than the kit lens especially in the corners but don't expect it to give you prime performance.

At £1049 it's good value when you compare with Canon and Nikon but just dont expect a new level of performance.

Ian

Well said. I can say that the Canon 24-70 2.8 probably outperforms it - but at 2x the price.

This 24-70 should be compared to the Canon 24-70 f/4 and at that, I personally like it better.

This being said, I'm normally not a zoom guy and this one is no exception. When I already have fairly lightweight primes that beat it, I end up leaving the zoom at home. Not a zoom guy.

Canon 24-70 4 L IS USM $1300
Canon 24-70 2.8 L USM $1900
Canon 24-70 2.8 L II USM $2800
Tamron 24-70 2.8 Di VC USD $1300 (for Canon)

Sony FE 24-70 ZA OSS Tessar T* $1800

I wouldn't say the FE 24-70 is great value. Especially compared to the sharp Tamron 24-70.

Just compare Canon 24-70 L II USM to the much cheaper Tamron:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=787&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=786&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

It doesn't make the FE 24-70 seem to offer great value.

On another note one could argue that people buying the Sony FF really care for image quality and in that regard the 24-70 really doesn't seem to cut it. Especially for those buying the A7R that pretty much is only focused on IQ and sharpness.

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Ross Warner Senior Member • Posts: 1,326
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???

Sony FE 24-70 ZA OSS Tessar T* is $1200 USD, not $1800.

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pako Senior Member • Posts: 1,898
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

ianbrown wrote:

There are many opinions starting to form of this lens and I am so surprised that people expect this to be a wonder lens! yes it's not cheap but it's still a zoom lens and zooms are a compromise.

So if you expect tack sharp images accross the frame at large apertures then you may be disappointed!

This lens is versatile and will give you much sharper images than the kit lens especially in the corners but don't expect it to give you prime performance.

At £1049 it's good value when you compare with Canon and Nikon but just dont expect a new level of performance.

Ian

You can apply what you said to every single lens from every single manufacturer...

I tried the 24-70 f2.8 on the A7R and I'm so gratefully surprised of its quality -until then, I was using legacy lenses, Minolta MD/MC primes, that are OK, but not as clear as the Sony/Zeiss. Adorama Rentals will have the FE lens available soon, that I'm planning to get and try before I decide to buy it.

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Paul Richman
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It's a much more perfect 28-60mm Zoom

... than 24-70.

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OP ianbrown Senior Member • Posts: 1,969
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

miro3 wrote:

ianbrown wrote:

miro3 wrote:

ianbrown wrote:

There are many opinions starting to form of this lens and I am so surprised that people expect this to be a wonder lens! yes it's not cheap but it's still a zoom lens and zooms are a compromise.

So if you expect tack sharp images accross the frame at large apertures then you may be disappointed!

This lens is versatile and will give you much sharper images than the kit lens especially in the corners but don't expect it to give you prime performance.

At £1049 it's good value when you compare with Canon and Nikon but just dont expect a new level of performance.

Ian

Why do you care if you say you sold your A7 and A7r?

I don't think you still have to own the camera to make a valid contribution ?

Ian

And what contribution is that?

A contribution based on generalities?

Nobody cares about such a "contribution."

Is this your opinion or do you speak for everyone? Lol

Ian

TommieH Regular Member • Posts: 311
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

Ross Warner wrote:

???

Sony FE 24-70 ZA OSS Tessar T* is $1200 USD, not $1800.

I converted the swedish prices (SEK) to USD and the prices are with taxes included.

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Tom Ames Senior Member • Posts: 1,270
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ianbrown wrote:

miro3 wrote:

ianbrown wrote:

miro3 wrote:

ianbrown wrote:

There are many opinions starting to form of this lens and I am so surprised that people expect this to be a wonder lens! yes it's not cheap but it's still a zoom lens and zooms are a compromise.

So if you expect tack sharp images accross the frame at large apertures then you may be disappointed!

This lens is versatile and will give you much sharper images than the kit lens especially in the corners but don't expect it to give you prime performance.

At £1049 it's good value when you compare with Canon and Nikon but just dont expect a new level of performance.

Ian

Why do you care if you say you sold your A7 and A7r?

I don't think you still have to own the camera to make a valid contribution ?

Ian

And what contribution is that?

A contribution based on generalities?

Nobody cares about such a "contribution."

Is this your opinion or do you speak for everyone? Lol

Ian

He speaks for everyone.

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Trollmann Senior Member • Posts: 1,311
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

Speaking for myself - the 24-70 lens IS perfect! Rather compact, light weight, superb zoom range, excellent flare control, decent optics and a fair price nails it for me. Deal!

Guess a flawless lens would never be considered perfect given the asking price!

Well - now I have uttered a word and the other guy may keep on talking for the rest...

anagram4wander2 Regular Member • Posts: 324
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect
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What was the question again. ?? I must have missed it.

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Mike Fewster Veteran Member • Posts: 6,899
Re: Check the performance of the RX1 wide open.

David28 wrote:

ianbrown wrote:

So if you expect tack sharp images accross the frame at large apertures then you may be disappointed!

Ian

Ian

I don't think anyone in their right mind really "expects tack sharp across the frame at large aperture" ....... I mean how can you? A typical scene rarely yield a flat plane to line up with the sensor and at something like f4 and centre focus, it would be unreasonable to also be upset when edges and corners dont carry the same sharpness. Simply physics no?

As for perfect lenses, I don't believe I have had the pleasure of coming across such an animal yet in my years of shooting and I have had the good fortune to own some fine lenses and still do.

I have found that I have had the greatest enjoyment when I temper my own unrealistic expectation surrounding my gear as well as around my own abilities.

Sincerely

David

And the RX1 wide open is f2

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GaryW Veteran Member • Posts: 8,705
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

Keit ll wrote:

Ian asked a valid question. This zoom has been criticised elsewhere for smeared edges even at less than maximum aperture. Final judgements cannot be made until it is certain what difference optimum distortion correction makes .

Lenses at such prices are bound to get harsher criticism than budget versions.

But here on the DPR forums, even budget lenses are highly criticized.  I had a quick look, and you had posted in the past about the 55-210 being "soft in the long end", as an example.  Nothing is safe from criticism!

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Son Of Mustang Ford Contributing Member • Posts: 792
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

Keit ll wrote:

Ian asked a valid question. This zoom has been criticised elsewhere for smeared edges even at less than maximum aperture. Final judgements cannot be made until it is certain what difference optimum distortion correction makes .

Lenses at such prices are bound to get harsher criticism than budget versions.

He didn't ask a question - he made a statement.

Sabud Contributing Member • Posts: 553
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

My plan was to buy the A7 for hiking with the 24-70/4 but now I'm not sure.

Chad Hardy
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Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

We hiked in Hawaii a couple of months ago and I took maybe 2 zoom shots with a NEX6 - 18-200 telephoto (tamron).  Everything will be as wide as you can go, so watch performance at 24mm.  If you don't like it, then just get the 35mm prime, it will be solid.  Also you should be around f8 anyway so it is probably solid at 24mm as well.

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OLY 12-40 f2.8 ZOOM and the FE 24-70mm edges at 24mm

True it's FF and tried to keep it small  ... and the price is really not bad.

But, OLY Zooms has shown what zooms can do. (not FF) ... sharp across the frame and Wide OPEN at any FL.

http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1641/cat/15

then there is all those Holly Trinity Nikon f2.8 zooms ... but big.

It will also be interesting when Sigma ships there f1.8 Full Frame 24-70mm  ZOOM.  at what price.

The standards are changing. with computer aided design

Just think it could have been a  bit sharper out at the edges at 24mm  wide open.

HG

ianbrown wrote:

There are many opinions starting to form of this lens and I am so surprised that people expect this to be a wonder lens! yes it's not cheap but it's still a zoom lens and zooms are a compromise.

So if you expect tack sharp images accross the frame at large apertures then you may be disappointed!

This lens is versatile and will give you much sharper images than the kit lens especially in the corners but don't expect it to give you prime performance.

At £1049 it's good value when you compare with Canon and Nikon but just dont expect a new level of performance.

Ian

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Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

ianbrown wrote:

There are many opinions starting to form of this lens and I am so surprised that people expect this to be a wonder lens! yes it's not cheap but it's still a zoom lens and zooms are a compromise.

So if you expect tack sharp images accross the frame at large apertures then you may be disappointed!

This lens is versatile and will give you much sharper images than the kit lens especially in the corners but don't expect it to give you prime performance.

At £1049 it's good value when you compare with Canon and Nikon but just dont expect a new level of performance.

Ian

Just got mine (paid £999) and pretty much agree with your assessment. I also have the 28-70 kit so have done some quick comparisons today to see if my investment has been worth it!

Overall I would say that at 24mm it is not going to satisfy landscape shooters, but for everything else it is pretty good, and a definite improvement, albeit not that big an improvement on the kit lens. Both are very good in the centre. The 24-70 extends sharpness nearer to the edges than the kit, and is much better, though still not great, in the corners. It don't know whether it is colour or contrast or both, but the 24-70 also has a bit more of that elusive 3D effect in the images.

For most types of subject this will be a great take everywhere lens, and is small and light enough not to compromise the unique FF portability selling point of the A7(R). The small increase in size and weight over the kit is hardly noticeable.

However, I will be looking forward with interest to the rumored 16-35mm wide angle, and hope that it will be at least as good as the 10-18mm which I currently own and which does quite well on the A7.

Fred

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KwhyChang Veteran Member • Posts: 5,928
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Sabud wrote:

My plan was to buy the A7 for hiking with the 24-70/4 but now I'm not sure.

I've been having second thoughts too. I think I've decided to try it out for myself.

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Re: OLY 12-40 f2.8 ZOOM and the FE 24-70mm edges at 24mm

I am still learning photography, and would like to know what you would shoot at 24mm wide open, that a great corner really would be required for...  cant really come up with a scenario...

Sabud Contributing Member • Posts: 553
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Big,big problems to find a top notch 24-50......70/4 for the A7 / A7r or a 18-50 for the new a6000.

To be truth, I have some thoughts about the 18-55/2,8-4 and the new X-T1 (Fuji)

Jacimi Regular Member • Posts: 106
Re: sony 24-70 FE it's not perfect

Fred Briggs wrote:

ianbrown wrote:

There are many opinions starting to form of this lens and I am so surprised that people expect this to be a wonder lens! yes it's not cheap but it's still a zoom lens and zooms are a compromise.

So if you expect tack sharp images accross the frame at large apertures then you may be disappointed!

This lens is versatile and will give you much sharper images than the kit lens especially in the corners but don't expect it to give you prime performance.

At £1049 it's good value when you compare with Canon and Nikon but just dont expect a new level of performance.

Ian

Just got mine (paid £999) and pretty much agree with your assessment. I also have the 28-70 kit so have done some quick comparisons today to see if my investment has been worth it!

Overall I would say that at 24mm it is not going to satisfy landscape shooters, but for everything else it is pretty good, and a definite improvement, albeit not that big an improvement on the kit lens. Both are very good in the centre. The 24-70 extends sharpness nearer to the edges than the kit, and is much better, though still not great, in the corners. It don't know whether it is colour or contrast or both, but the 24-70 also has a bit more of that elusive 3D effect in the images.

For most types of subject this will be a great take everywhere lens, and is small and light enough not to compromise the unique FF portability selling point of the A7(R). The small increase in size and weight over the kit is hardly noticeable.

However, I will be looking forward with interest to the rumored 16-35mm wide angle, and hope that it will be at least as good as the 10-18mm which I currently own and which does quite well on the A7.

Fred

Fred could you post some pics of the same scene with kit vs 24-70? That would be a big help.

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