Ooooh Noooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Euell Senior Member • Posts: 1,816
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How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

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DtEW Senior Member • Posts: 2,167
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Let me introduce you the Canon 7D and the 5DMKII (and 6D, for that matter).

Yawn.

Different horses for different courses. People who think strictly in product hierarchies are those that can't afford more than one product.

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Son Of Mustang Ford Contributing Member • Posts: 590
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Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

They were probably thinking something like ''it's not quite ready yet''. Now it is. Technology is constantly improving, by the time the 2nd generation A7's hit the market focus will have improved again.

SQLGuy Veteran Member • Posts: 4,234
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Nope. Not disappointed at all. I shoot mostly manual focus anyway.

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A7 with kit lens and a number of legacy lenses (mostly Canon FD)

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Dennis Forum Pro • Posts: 16,444
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Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line?

Sensor-based technology usually makes its way up the sensor chain, from smallest to largest.

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Faster AF can't replace the virtues of a larger sensor otherwise Nikon 1-series would have taken over the world.

And fast AF is not the end all and be all. Between identical models, all else being equal I would go with faster Af. But if my priority is virtues of a larger sensor, I will go for the larger sensor, much like pro sports DSLRs still settle for lower resolution while a7r/D800 for slower AF.

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anagram4wander2 Regular Member • Posts: 324
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Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

I really can't complain about the speed of focus on my a7r.... Sure superfast would be nice - but I knew what I was buying into...

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Jefenator Senior Member • Posts: 2,077
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SQLGuy wrote:

Nope. Not disappointed at all. I shoot mostly manual focus anyway.

LOL - this!! 

In the time it'll take me to acquire dedicated AF lenses (assuming I even do) I'm sure they'll get the a newer body up to speed.

Also: I'm not entirely convinced that this A6000 will be the ultimate game-changer some folks are making it out to be. I hope it is, but grandiose AF claims have been getting made for a real long time.

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Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

I love my A7 due to the sharpest and clean images. AF is fast using 35 F2.8 so not an issue for me.

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Richt2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,900
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A7r is my landscape / travel camera and I usualy work on a tripod with manual focus lenses.

I'll be picking up an A6000 to complement it for family portraits, and to get a higher pixel density for telephoto work eg wildlife...

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Tim Devine Senior Member • Posts: 1,192
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Full frame sensors are more challenging to develop.  The AF features provided by the A6000 sensor will work their way up to the full frame line I believe.

I'm not upset...the a7R is great for my purposes.  I wouldn't have wanted them to hold up the release for this.

-Tim

Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

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Dennishh Contributing Member • Posts: 545
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Not at all

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PVCdroid Senior Member • Posts: 3,832
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Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

Oh no! Another cameraholic drawing comparisons.

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blakninja Regular Member • Posts: 132
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I've never used AF in my life so I guess this won't affect a bunch of us.

Euell OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,816
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DtEW wrote:

Let me introduce you the Canon 7D and the 5DMKII (and 6D, for that matter).

Yawn.

Different horses for different courses. People who think strictly in product hierarchies are those that can't afford more than one product.

Most thought that was an anomaly.  The 5DMKIII, of course, has much better AF than the 7D

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Euell OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,816
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Son Of Mustang Ford wrote:

Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

They were probably thinking something like ''it's not quite ready yet''. Now it is. Technology is constantly improving, by the time the 2nd generation A7's hit the market focus will have improved again.

No doubt, but since the product introductions were scant months apart, you would think that the top of the line would get the best AF.

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Euell OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,816
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Dennis wrote:

Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line?

Sensor-based technology usually makes its way up the sensor chain, from smallest to largest.

Interesting theory, but no

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Euell OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,816
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EinsteinsGhost wrote:

Faster AF can't replace the virtues of a larger sensor otherwise Nikon 1-series would have taken over the world.

And fast AF is not the end all and be all. Between identical models, all else being equal I would go with faster Af. But if my priority is virtues of a larger sensor, I will go for the larger sensor, much like pro sports DSLRs still settle for lower resolution while a7r/D800 for slower AF.

Why trade? When you pay the big bucks, you expect to get the bang that price deserves, eh?

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Euell OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,816
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Tim Devine wrote:

Full frame sensors are more challenging to develop. The AF features provided by the A6000 sensor will work their way up to the full frame line I believe.

I'm not upset...the a7R is great for my purposes. I wouldn't have wanted them to hold up the release for this.

-Tim

Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

I'm sure those AF features or even better AF will work its way up to the full frame line.  Some people say they don't care and/or never use AF anyway.  Sounds like sour grapes to me.

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Euell OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,816
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PVCdroid wrote:

Euell wrote:

How could Sony put better AF in its APSc line (A6000) than in its recently created full frame line? What were they thinking? Owners of the A7 and A7r must be really disappointed that their cameras were not endowed with this better technology, since they bought them just in the last few months.

Oh no! Another cameraholic drawing comparisons.

Nah, I'm just trolling, but if I had bought an A7 or A7r, I'd be pis*ed off given the short time period between introduction of those bodies and the A6000.

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